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Title: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: lil mike on April 02, 2011, 11:18:21 pm ...we would see constitutional protections eliminated in the name of national security.
And they were right! http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704050204576218970652119898.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704050204576218970652119898.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories) Rights Are Curtailed for Terror Suspects New rules allow investigators to hold domestic-terror suspects longer than others without giving them a Miranda warning, significantly expanding exceptions to the instructions that have governed the handling of criminal suspects for more than four decades. The move is one of the Obama administration's most significant revisions to rules governing the investigation of terror suspects in the U.S. And it potentially opens a new political tussle over national security policy, as the administration marks another step back from pre-election criticism of unorthodox counterterror methods. Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: ekg on April 06, 2011, 11:13:43 am this guy is wearing on my, already thin, patience..
I'm tired of his concession,back-pedals,bullshit,compromise by giving up 100% crap.. HRC would have had bigger balls.. Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: Howey on April 07, 2011, 10:46:06 am this guy is wearing on my, already thin, patience.. I'm tired of his concession,back-pedals,bullshit,compromise by giving up 100% crap.. HRC would have had bigger balls.. I disagree. Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: lil mike on April 07, 2011, 04:50:51 pm Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: uselesslegs on April 07, 2011, 05:10:22 pm Too which part? The bigger balls? It's Howey...duh! Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: Howey on April 07, 2011, 05:24:44 pm You guys are too predictable. ;D
No. Bill, husband of Hill, was a master at compromise. Hillary would be too. My opinion is that Obama, He of the Big Ballz, is doing everything he can to work out a compromise between the children. Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: uselesslegs on April 07, 2011, 05:56:27 pm You guys are too predictable. ;D No. Bill, husband of Hill, was a master at compromise. Hillary would be too. My opinion is that Obama, He of the Big Ballz, is doing everything he can to work out a compromise between the children. Kelly and I have a "theory" about this, but I shall spare the masses. Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: Howey on April 07, 2011, 05:58:40 pm Kelly and I have a "theory" about this, but I shall spare the masses. This "mass" wants to know... ;D Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: ekg on April 07, 2011, 09:32:56 pm You guys are too predictable. ;D No. Bill, husband of Hill, was a master at compromise. Hillary would be too. My opinion is that Obama, He of the Big Ballz, is doing everything he can to work out a compromise between the children. Obama has balls on some issues.. the pirate thing, BIG balls... surprisingly Big.. (but HRC would have done the same AND it would n't have been surprising).. Obama doesn't understand how to 'compromise' he only knows how to give them what they want, then start the dickering process.. that's where I say he has no balls. HRC and/or Bill would have started much lower and worked up to giving them some of what they want, but would have gotten a lot of what BC/HRC wanted in the deal also. On the GITMO issue.. again, he is in the right.. but he's backing off because he can't play it politically...he could, but he won't even try... would Bill or HRC? I don't know.. I don't know that anyone would ever think she was weak on terrorists so I don't know that it would have been a problem.. the problem with Obama, going all the way back to the public option.. he won't stand up for what he and his party wants.. he did the same with the Bush tax cuts and he'll do the same with the shutdown.. he won't stand up for what he and his party wants.. of course he can't be seen as getting 'angry'.. imagine all the 'angry black man' comments then.. but he can be firm and let us stand with him, instead of letting us stand then selling us down the river in an effort to give the other side another win so he can look like he's compromising.. Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: Howey on April 07, 2011, 09:40:38 pm Obama has balls on some issues.. the pirate thing, BIG balls... surprisingly Big.. (but HRC would have done the same AND it would n't have been surprising).. Obama doesn't understand how to 'compromise' he only knows how to give them what they want, then start the dickering process.. that's where I say he has no balls. HRC and/or Bill would have started much lower and worked up to giving them some of what they want, but would have gotten a lot of what BC/HRC wanted in the deal also. On the GITMO issue.. again, he is in the right.. but he's backing off because he can't play it politically...he could, but he won't even try... would Bill or HRC? I don't know.. I don't know that anyone would ever think she was weak on terrorists so I don't know that it would have been a problem.. the problem with Obama, going all the way back to the public option.. he won't stand up for what he and his party wants.. he did the same with the Bush tax cuts and he'll do the same with the shutdown.. he won't stand up for what he and his party wants.. of course he can't be seen as getting 'angry'.. imagine all the 'angry black man' comments then.. but he can be firm and let us stand with him, instead of letting us stand then selling us down the river in an effort to give the other side another win so he can look like he's compromising.. Bill and Hill didn't have to deal with the one thing Obama's dealing with. The Teabaggers and their insanity coupled with the resultant mass hysteria of the entire Republican Party. Back then, in the old days of Newt (as opposed to these new days of Newt), the Moral Majority and all that ilk were pussycats compared to the nutcases today. Obama will do what he can with the budget to salvage social programs. Just like health care reform. Once the dems take over the House next year; and believe me, they will!, things can be righted. Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: ekg on April 07, 2011, 10:06:18 pm Bill and Hill didn't have to deal with the one thing Obama's dealing with. The Teabaggers and their insanity coupled with the resultant mass hysteria of the entire Republican Party. Back then, in the old days of Newt (as opposed to these new days of Newt), the Moral Majority and all that ilk were pussycats compared to the nutcases today. Obama will do what he can with the budget to salvage social programs. Just like health care reform. Once the dems take over the House next year; and believe me, they will!, things can be righted. I believe they will take it back, but I don't believe it will be much different. (Hopefully they get Pelosi back, say what you want, but she got her people to do what she wanted instead of the other way around....) Also, you will still have the tea-baggers and regular GOP members who can't have a dem victory even if it is good for the country, a dem caucus who aren't sheep like the GOP and a President who wants to look like compromiser in chief more than dem leader in chief.. unless he lets loose in the hopes of salvaging his legacy and finally pushes and holds his own to get what he wants done 100% instead of throwing most of it away and being happy with getting 15% of what he wanted.. then, it might be interesting.. Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: ekg on April 08, 2011, 10:43:42 am This "mass" wants to know... ;D I kinda hinted to it when I said.. Quote of course he can't be seen as getting 'angry'.. imagine all the 'angry black man' comments then.. Now, suspend the instant 'racism again' eye-roll for a minute and think about it. He's the 1st black dude potus, he's battling against people who don't even believe he was born in this country and in a country where some places still consider blacks inferior. He has to be 'more than', 'better than' and 'less than' all at once..It's remarked on constantly that he never gets 'angry'.. he is always composed and cool.. those are the same buzz words as 'he speaks well'.. they mean that he's not like your typical angry black male, he actually knows his place.. and sadly, he does... he knows that it's hard enough for people to accept his name and skin color, if he shows any balls or emotion it would be even worse.. He's not accepted as being president, so imagine if he was pushy,snarky, and forceful like Bush.. he'd be called 'uppity' and 'impudent' Imagine if he showed anger, he'd be the 'typical angry black man'.. This isn't just a 'black thing' either.. if it was HRC in the same spot she'd get the 'PMS' accusations whenever she showed emotion..only white dudes get to show emotion without a negative connotation whispered behind their back.. Now, some will just roll their eyes and go on pretending this 'black thing' is all Liberal make-believe.. but as proof that I'm really not making it up, I give you just one single poll, from one single state on just one single issue which just so happens to include this President.. Quote 46 Percent of Mississippi Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Banned .A new poll gauging Mississippi Republicans' preferences going into the 2012 election ended up revealing something more startling: 46 percent of GOP voters in the state think interracial marriage should be illegal. Results were announced Thursday by Public Policy Polling, a polling firm based in North Carolina. The company asked 400 Republican primary voters about their preferences for candidates for state and national offices, as well as their views on interracial marriage. A whopping 46 percent of likely GOP primary voters said they think interracial marriage should be illegal, while only 40 percent said they think it should be allowed. Another 14 percent said they were unsure. It was only 45 years ago that Mississippi legalized interracial marriage, and this poll indicates it continues to be a controversial subject http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/08/46-percent-of-mississippi-republicans-want-interracial-marriage/ 60% of the voters in one party, in one state either don't know or don't believe mixed marriages should be legal in this country. How do you think they feel about the offspring from said mixing? How do you think they would feel if that offspring started demanding things get done his way and showed emotions or passion in order to get his way? How would they feel if this offspring actually dared to make those around him, who happened to be white, do his bidding? and that is Obama's conundrum. As long as we have people who feel this strongly about race, we'll have neutered black men in high positions.. men who 'talk nice' and act 'just like one of us'.. ya know the 'yessir masser' kind of black man.. that's the 'theory' anyway.. Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: uselesslegs on April 08, 2011, 12:11:28 pm Bravo, well explained.
Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: Howey on April 08, 2011, 01:01:51 pm Bravo, well explained. I agree. Quote 46 Percent of Mississippi Republicans Want Interracial Marriage Banned A new poll gauging Mississippi Republicans' preferences going into the 2012 election ended up revealing something more startling: 46 percent of GOP voters in the state think interracial marriage should be illegal. Results were announced Thursday by Public Policy Polling, a polling firm based in North Carolina. The company asked 400 Republican primary voters about their preferences for candidates for state and national offices, as well as their views on interracial marriage. A whopping 46 percent of likely GOP primary voters said they think interracial marriage should be illegal, while only 40 percent said they think it should be allowed. Another 14 percent said they were unsure. It was only 45 years ago that Mississippi legalized interracial marriage, and this poll indicates it continues to be a controversial subject http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/08/46-percent-of-mississippi-republicans-want-interracial-marriage/ Gee. That would make a great thread! ;D Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: lil mike on April 12, 2011, 09:56:35 pm They told me if I voted for John McCain...
... we would see the administration argue that it had the right to declare war without Congressional approval. And they were right! http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/04/doj-s-bogus-case-war (http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/04/doj-s-bogus-case-war) The Obama Justice Department produced a 14-page document Thursday justifying President Obama’s war in Libya. The document claims: “The President had the constitutional authority to direct the use of military force in Libya because he could reasonably determine that such use of force was in the national interest.” The Justice memo fully embraces the President Bush administration view of Executive Power and directly contradicts then-Senator Obama’s 2007 statement that: “The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.” On March 27th, Obama’s Defense Secretary admitted that Libya did not pose an actual or imminent threat to the United States and “was not a vital national interest to the United States.” Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: Howey on April 12, 2011, 10:26:03 pm So one president worked with other nations in a consensual military action intended to prevent the slaughter of thousands of people, an act that has resulted in 0 US casualities and worldwide acclaim.
Another president, acting on his own, ignored the wishes of his fellow nations and invaded a nation of people based on lies resulting in the senseless deaths of thousands of young Americans and hundreds of thousands of men, women and children in the country he invaded. Thanks. I'm with the first guy who bypassed probably months of obstruction from a House whose majority didn't care about the possible deaths of thousands more men, women and children as long as they were able to disagree with the president. Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: Howey on April 13, 2011, 09:53:18 am The War Powers Resolution: (http://www.nytimes.com/1984/03/29/world/how-war-powers-act-works.html)
Quote Under the act, the President can only send combat troops into battle or into areas where ''imminent'' hostilities are likely, for 60 days without either a declaration of war by Congress or a specific Congressional mandate. Quote The White House Office of the Press Secretary For Immediate Release March 21, 2011 Letter from the President regarding the commencement of operations in Libya TEXT OF A LETTER FROM THE PRESIDENT TO THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE OF THE SENATE March 21, 2011 Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President:) At approximately 3:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, on March 19, 2011, at my direction, U.S. military forces commenced operations to assist an international effort authorized by the United Nations (U.N.) Security Council and undertaken with the support of European allies and Arab partners, to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe and address the threat posed to international peace and security by the crisis in Libya. As part of the multilateral response authorized under U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973, U.S. military forces, under the command of Commander, U.S. Africa Command, began a series of strikes against air defense systems and military airfields for the purposes of preparing a no-fly zone. These strikes will be limited in their nature, duration, and scope. Their purpose is to support an international coalition as it takes all necessary measures to enforce the terms of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973. These limited U.S. actions will set the stage for further action by other coalition partners. United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 authorized Member States, under Chapter VII of the U.N. Charter, to take all necessary measures to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in Libya, including the establishment and enforcement of a "no-fly zone" in the airspace of Libya. United States military efforts are discrete and focused on employing unique U.S. military capabilities to set the conditions for our European allies and Arab partners to carry out the measures authorized by the U.N. Security Council Resolution. Muammar Qadhafi was provided a very clear message that a cease-fire must be implemented immediately. The international community made clear that all attacks against civilians had to stop; Qadhafi had to stop his forces from advancing on Benghazi; pull them back from Ajdabiya, Misrata, and Zawiya; and establish water, electricity, and gas supplies to all areas. Finally, humanitarian assistance had to be allowed to reach the people of Libya. Although Qadhafi's Foreign Minister announced an immediate cease-fire, Qadhafi and his forces made no attempt to implement such a cease-fire, and instead continued attacks on Misrata and advanced on Benghazi. Qadhafi's continued attacks and threats against civilians and civilian populated areas are of grave concern to neighboring Arab nations and, as expressly stated in U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973, constitute a threat to the region and to international peace and security. His illegitimate use of force not only is causing the deaths of substantial numbers of civilians among his own people, but also is forcing many others to flee to neighboring countries, thereby destabilizing the peace and security of the region. Left unaddressed, the growing instability in Libya could ignite wider instability in the Middle East, with dangerous consequences to the national security interests of the United States. Qadhafi's defiance of the Arab League, as well as the broader international community moreover, represents a lawless challenge to the authority of the Security Council and its efforts to preserve stability in the region. Qadhafi has forfeited his responsibility to protect his own citizens and created a serious need for immediate humanitarian assistance and protection, with any delay only putting more civilians at risk. The United States has not deployed ground forces into Libya. United States forces are conducting a limited and well-defined mission in support of international efforts to protect civilians and prevent a humanitarian disaster. Accordingly, U.S. forces have targeted the Qadhafi regime's air defense systems, command and control structures, and other capabilities of Qadhafi's armed forces used to attack civilians and civilian populated areas. We will seek a rapid, but responsible, transition of operations to coalition, regional, or international organizations that are postured to continue activities as may be necessary to realize the objectives of U.N. Security Council Resolutions 1970 and 1973. For these purposes, I have directed these actions, which are in the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States, pursuant to my constitutional authority to conduct U.S. foreign relations and as Commander in Chief and Chief Executive. I am providing this report as part of my efforts to keep the Congress fully informed, consistent with the War Powers Resolution. I appreciate the support of the Congress in this action. BARACK OBAMA Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: lil mike on April 13, 2011, 10:22:11 pm So one president worked with other nations in a consensual military action intended to prevent the slaughter of thousands of people, an act that has resulted in 0 US casualities and worldwide acclaim. Another president, acting on his own, ignored the wishes of his fellow nations and invaded a nation of people based on lies resulting in the senseless deaths of thousands of young Americans and hundreds of thousands of men, women and children in the country he invaded. Thanks. I'm with the first guy who bypassed probably months of obstruction from a House whose majority didn't care about the possible deaths of thousands more men, women and children as long as they were able to disagree with the president. If you recall my blog, I agreed that Obama was within the constitutional authority of his office to involve us in military action in Libya. I just get a kick that all you libs and Obama 2007 edition didn't think it was constitutional! Now? It's Obama 2011 edition so it's constitutional! You guys base your interpetation of the constitution on your crushes! I love it! Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: Howey on April 14, 2011, 10:43:33 am If you recall my blog, I agreed that Obama was within the constitutional authority of his office to involve us in military action in Libya. I just get a kick that all you libs and Obama 2007 edition didn't think it was constitutional! Now? It's Obama 2011 edition so it's constitutional! You guys base your interpetation of the constitution on your crushes! I love it! Aside from the fact that your quote from 2007 referred to a specific answer to bombing Iranian nuclear plants without consent from anyone, is it really wrong that the President changed his position on this one issue*? If it is, you better hope Romney doesn't run for president. ;) *Wow. A statment without snark! You should try that sometime! Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: 44nutman on April 14, 2011, 11:13:38 am If you recall my blog, I agreed that Obama was within the constitutional authority of his office to involve us in military action in Libya. I just get a kick that all you libs and Obama 2007 edition didn't think it was constitutional! Not true, the Libya war is a waste of money. I have admitted as such. Iraq is becoming a huge money sink but we are kind of stuck their due to the crazies in the region. Iraq was better stategically for the US with Saddam still in power. He kept Iran in check. The current enviroment over there, the people would have rose up anyway. Now we are stuck, somehow can't find billions of dollars and giving out no bid contracts. 3 fucking wars, now I am left hoping for change.Now? It's Obama 2011 edition so it's constitutional! You guys base your interpetation of the constitution on your crushes! I love it! At least Obama speech last nite, show he is getting some of his nuts back. Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: Howey on April 14, 2011, 11:26:27 am Not true, the Libya war is a waste of money. I have admitted as such. Iraq is becoming a huge money sink but we are kind of stuck their due to the crazies in the region. Iraq was better stategically for the US with Saddam still in power. He kept Iran in check. The current enviroment over there, the people would have rose up anyway. Now we are stuck, somehow can't find billions of dollars and giving out no bid contracts. 3 fucking wars, now I am left hoping for change. At least Obama speech last nite, show he is getting some of his nuts back. And I've said before I'd rather see us in Libya than Iraq. If we got all the way out of Iraq, and Afghanistan, nothing will change. They'll still be killing each other off. Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: lil mike on April 18, 2011, 06:04:31 pm They told me if I voted for John McCain...
... we would have a President who uses signing statements to avoid laws he doesn't like. And they were right! http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/04/president-obama-issues-signing-statement-indicating-he-wont-abide-by-provision-in-budget-bill.html (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/04/president-obama-issues-signing-statement-indicating-he-wont-abide-by-provision-in-budget-bill.html) President Obama Issues “Signing Statement” Indicating He Won’t Abide by Provision in Budget Bill ...One rider – Section 2262 -- de-funds certain White House adviser positions – or “czars.” The president in his signing statement declares that he will not abide by it. ...Therefore, the president wrote, “the executive branch will construe section 2262 not to abrogate these Presidential prerogatives.” During his presidential campaign, then-Senator Obama was quite critical of the Bush administration’s uses of signing statements telling the Boston Globe in 2007 that the “problem” with the Bush administration “is that it has attached signing statements to legislation in an effort to change the meaning of the legislation, to avoid enforcing certain provisions of the legislation that the President does not like, and to raise implausible or dubious constitutional objections to the legislation.” Then-Sen. Obama said he would “not use signing statements to nullify or undermine congressional instructions as enacted into law.” Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: Howey on April 18, 2011, 06:11:12 pm I knew you wouldn't have much to complain about if your bitching about the fucking czars!
hahahhahah! Watch out. Obama and the dems have grown some ballz. Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: lil mike on April 18, 2011, 10:13:39 pm I knew you wouldn't have much to complain about if your bitching about the fucking czars! hahahhahah! Watch out. Obama and the dems have grown some ballz. A dem with ballz? Scary! Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: lil mike on May 01, 2011, 11:18:58 am They told me if I voted for John McCain...
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/157399-obama-administration-asks-supreme-court-to-uphold-fccs-indecency-policy (http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/157399-obama-administration-asks-supreme-court-to-uphold-fccs-indecency-policy) Administration asks Supreme Court to uphold FCC's indecency policy The Obama administration is asking the Supreme Court to overturn a court ruling that greatly diminished the Federal Communications Commission's (FCC) ability to police the airwaves for indecency. Acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal filed a certiorari petition ahead of Thursday's deadline after previously filing for two extensions. The administration is asking the Supreme Court to overturn the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals decision that struck down the FCC's indecency policy last July. Going for the evangelical vote? Title: Re: They told me if I voted for John McCain... Post by: lil mike on May 03, 2011, 08:49:37 pm They told me if I voted for John McCain... We'd have Dick Cheney praising the President for using Cheney's assassination squad, Seal Team 6! http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dick-cheney-osama-bin-ladens-death-obama-deserves/story?id=13509547 (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dick-cheney-osama-bin-ladens-death-obama-deserves/story?id=13509547) Dick Cheney Says 'Obama Deserves Credit' for Osama Bin Laden's Death Former Vice President Dick Cheney praised President Obama for the success of the mission against Osama bin Laden, but in an exclusive interview with ABC News warned that it would be "a tragedy" to spend so much time "patting ourselves on the back" that we miss the next attack. "The administration clearly deserves credit for the success of the operation," Cheney told ABC News, adding that getting bin Laden has long been "the ultimate goal, the ultimate objective" of the U.S. counterterrorism program. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/05/02/hersh_olbermann_called_bin_laden_seal_team_assassination_ring_in_2009.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/05/02/hersh_olbermann_called_bin_laden_seal_team_assassination_ring_in_2009.html) Hersh, Olbermann Called Bin Laden SEAL Team "Assassination Ring" In 2009 Hersh then went on to describe a second area of extra-legal operations: the Joint Special Operations Command. "It is a special wing of our special operations community that is set up independently," he explained. "They do not report to anybody, except in the Bush-Cheney days, they reported directly to the Cheney office. ... Congress has no oversight of it." "It's an executive assassination ring essentially, and it's been going on and on and on," Hersh stated. "Under President Bush's authority, they've been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing them and leaving. That's been going on, in the name of all of us." |