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Please tell me you're not in favor of Mubarek taking a "hard line".

You do know that the woman who wrote that piece married an "educated elite" Afghan in 1961 and was taken to his country and imprisoned by him and his family?

So...when exactly did these "educated elites"  become "more islamic"? 

Was that you that gave the pitiful link to Pajamas Media to Sam the other day? lol...hopefully he's gone from there for good now after being so roundly reamed by ekg and Darth.

So what are you hoping for in Egypt?

I'm sorry to say that I have been moving and I haven't seen any tv since Thursday really..  this does seem to be a mess though.. do we support the guy who has been there for 30 yrs and 'wink-wink' elected each time? or do we hope that real democracy takes over? 

Egypt has a very conservative Muslim streak just under the surface and if that takes over, we're in for a whole new world..

Moving? Obama bought you a home?  ;)

Mubarek has been a dictator too long and the people have spoken. I've always said (hell, since Vietnam) when the people want change, change will happen. I don't think the Egyptian people will allow the Muslim Brotherhood to take over the government, although it's obvious lilMike's convinced that'll happen.

I sent him a msg on his blog to join this discussion. Maybe he will....

In the absence of my posts, do you just make up stuff you think I'm going to say?

I don't know how much of an influence the Muslim Brotherhood would have in a post Mubarak Egypt, but  since they are in parliament now, I imagine they will have some influence.  But I'm in favor of Mubarak stepping down and a new government forming anyway.   One that will have fair elections.  Hopefully one that will allow more individual liberty, but hey one step at a time.  It's a risk of course since since the current Egyptian government is an ally now, and maintains peace with Israel.  I suspect no matter how would take power in a post Mubarak Egypt, they will be less friendly to Israel and more likely to look the other way (more than usual) at the Gaza border.  The US seems to be looking beyond Mubarak now and that's a good thing.

However I wish they had been willing to do that last year when Iran was in upheaval.  The Prez bet on the Mullahs instead of the protestors, which was crazy in my opinion.  Unlike Egypt, there was virtually no chance any government replacing the current Iranian one would be worse for us than the one we have now.

No I didn't give Sam the link to that website.  He's hardly on the board much anymore anyway, so why worry about him?

HA!

noo..  got this one on my own ;)


It's an interesting thing to watch and think about. It would be great to have a more democratic leader in the region, but I still don't know if the people are ready for such a leader. It seems they do better under the guys that aren't evil, but maybe a little on the 'dictator-Y' side of things..
one thing that would bring about the wrong kind of change is to go all Kent-state on all the protesters... that will incite more and definitely bring out the class of leaders we don't want to see take over..

no matter what, it's got to be a pretty tight line Obama in walking on right now..

Hey...don't jump on moi! You're the one who said:

I figured you were lockstep in with the pubs and Bolton on this one...

As far as the Muslim Brotherhood: It's called representative democracy, ya know...Kinda like what we have? Just think of the Muslim Brotherhood (who are a. working hard to maintain civility in Egypt right now, and b. have publicly stated they DO NOT want to get involved other than that) as the Egyptian Tea Party. Gotta give the extreme kooks a voice, ya know...


See? There ya go again! Why are you so down on the Egyptian people? I don't see them chanting anti-American slogans in the streets. Do you think they're going to allow a crazy fundamentalist Islamist government? One who won't let them have their cell phones and internet?


I love it!

Wait. No comment on poor little Ms. abused Chesler's sob story? Just how have the fundamentalist Islamics changed since the 1960's???

Obama, and Hillary, are doing great - and the right thing. I'm sure that pisses the pubs and Bolton off. I've been glued to Twitter since this began, it's amazing the popular support among the Egyptians for Mubarek's removal.

Sorry I've been working a lot lately so I've no idea what Bolton's view is.  The only conservative type that I've heard have a consistant negative spin is Hannity. 

But I'm glad to welcome you to the neo-con fold, spreading democracy throughout the middle east, you go Bush Jr.!

Wait. You watch Hannity? I thought you said you didn't? I believe the Republican spin on Egypt is supporting the Mubarak dictatorship...

Since when is it the neocon way to back democratic take downs of dictators? I thought you guys like to put them in power?

Remember Saddam? Afghanistan? Countless others?

Still no answer on Chesler, huh? You gonna at least take back your claim on the muche about her?

As far as Chesler, you've told me nothing to invalidate those pics I've posted on the muche.  Are they fraudulent?  If not, I'm not sure what your point is.  Go to the muche and reply.  Set me straight and put me in my place.

How quickly you forget your "principles!"  I guess they were not really.  Principles I mean.  That whole spreading democracy thing is pure neocon!  Go back and pull Bush's 2005 inaugeration speech.

The people who put the strong men dictators in power were the realpolitik guys, like Kissinger.  You really don't even know enough about this issue to discuss it with me, which is really ironic since you've been bleating about neocons for years, and now it seems like you didn't have the first clue what they stood for.

So... last year when the Iranians hit the streets?  Obama was supporting the mullahs then, and wanted the people rioting in the streets to calm down.  Were you with Obama or the demonstrators then?

when drunk,stoned or both..  ;D I've taken to watching Hannity. It's like a really, really, really scalding bath.. you have to get in an inch at a time or your heart will explode.. anyway, I tried last night for about 2 mins and yep, this whole Egypt thing is Obama's fault. See the wind blew a little bit out of the west that day and Obama didn't know it,predict it, or stop it..   ::) some 'anointed one' he is!

seriously, he didn't do anything to cause it.. so it's his fault.
he did cause it, so it's his fault

he didn't stop it.. so it's his fault
he didn't chose this side.. so it's his fault
he didn't chose that side.. so it's his fault

the bestest is he didn't know it was going to happen.. so of course, it's his fault.

I wonder what will be his fault tomorrow? the wind blowing down a tree in Siberia?

probably..

oddly, not a single GOP presidential candidate (ie, all of Fox news).. knew or mentioned it before now either... huh, wonder why. they know everything else.. so why didn't they know this was coming?

I can see you watching Hannity, even if just for the sheer entertainment of it.

But lilMike, if I'm not wrong, always says he watches CNN or MSNBC, not Hannity. Unless he's channelling Sam, of course.  ;D

Well you're wrong!  No surprise there!  I hardly ever watch CNN, but yes I do primarily watch MSNBC/NBC for my news. I'm a faithful Hardball viewer.  He provides more comedy in one show than the comedy channel does all week!

I used to watch papa bear, but since O'Donnell took over from Olbermann, I'm watching O'Donnell.  He actually has some useful expertise.

But I will watch Hannity.  I don't remember saying I don't watch him, but it may have been true at the time.  Obviously any other entertainment shows take precedence over the cable talkers.


Man your obsession with Sam... when are you going to show up at his workplace?

Who's Papa Bear? I've never seen any of the above. All I ever watch is MSNBC (daytime is great...especially the recent coverage of Egypt). I also watch Rachel Maddow...So, ya see, I'm well rounded.  :D

Aaaaaaaaaaaa OHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh   they better back the hell my Anderson >:(

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/02/anderson-cooper-attacked-egypt-huff-post_n_817612.html

I meant to post that!

poor baby daddy!

Republican supporters of folks who beat up their citizens and American reporters with private armys:

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/02/03/mubarak_american_allies/index.html

Including Rush. Der...

Papa Bear is O'Reilly.  That's what Cobert calls him.

But how can you not have heard of Lawrence O'Donnell if you watch just MSNBC?  He has Olbermann's old slot.

huh. I'm boycotting O'Donnell. He'll never match Keith.  ;D

Plus I'm too busy with the Draft Keith campaign, ya know...

Really?  Why would you boycott him?  He's a true blue socialist. Anyway he had nothing to do with Olbermann getting canned.  You need to stand up and support your liberal wackos or who will?




Who...... will?

This is a recurring theme with you and some others when I was on the muche. You fail to realize the sarcasm in my tone...

Hah! To quote you:


For someone who lives in a black and white world, you sure do like to quote anonymous sources using words like "if", in this case citing the maybe when it snows in hell possibility that the Muslim Brotherhood "gets into power".

Here's a little edumacation for ya, Mike. You neocons and Islamophobes may not know it, but the Brotherhood is but a glimpse of it's hateful self thirty years ago. Today, it's a bunch of grumpy old men who can't agree which Murder, She Wrote to watch on al-Jazeera tonight.

Over the years, they've actually learned that maybe (hah! another one of your words!) if they actually worked with and compromised with the opposition they might get something done.

Try reading the following:

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/67348/carrie-rosefsky-wickham/the-muslim-brotherhood-after-mubarak?page=show&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter









hth  :D 

Hey I hope you're right.

 


Of course counting on you being right isn't exactly a path to success.

Another trend I've noticed (at least as far as the Egypt situation is concerned) is that you're hedging your bets...notwithstanding the thinly veiled Islamophobic comments that is...

Hey...when are you going to start posting new threads on here? Want your own?

I'm not hedging.  I just genuinely don't know how things are going to turn out.  The history of the middle east and democracy doesn't exactly give much hope.  Democracy is the most difficult of governments, because it's so dependent on an educated populace to pull off.  Otherwise it winds up in tyranny.  There isn't much cultural history and experience with a representative government in that part of the world.

Of course, as a neo con Bush-style you should be optimistic!  I hope your optimism pays off!

True that! We're seeing evidence right now of the uneducated populace following the pogroms of a dangerous group, aren't we?

I think that can be corrected in 2012.

Bah!

Isn't it scary Sarah's #2 in popularity in the party now?

Sarah 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mubarek to step down soon...

Watch live reporting:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698

A day late, but done.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/12/world/middleeast/12egypt.html?_r=1


Proof positive that even in Egypt, people can now enjoy freedom of speech following the removal of a neo-despot!

Number 2?  She is number 4 in the latest Fox News poll.  I doubt she will be higher than that in the CPAC poll when they announce it.

The peace treaty with Israel will continue...boy I'll bet Haaretz is pissed! No more fear mongering here...move along!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/12/egyptian-army-commits-to-_n_822406.html

CPAC? They were punishing her because she didn't want to go. Something to do with the homo's being there.

But your buddies at Newsmax put her #1! Run Sarah Run!

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/palin-poll-zogby-romney/2010/01/27/id/348220


And she's run run running second in the latest CNN poll:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/02/07/rel2e.pdf

I thought The Quitter never went to CPAC? Since she is trademarking her name maybe they did not offer her enough dollar bills, yo.

Well. She tried! (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/04/us-palin-trademark-idUSTRE7135WI20110204) <Linky



I guess she didn't have to sign the applications to the four (or five?) colleges she "went to".

Does anyone know if they tried to trademark just their names or Sarah Barracuda and Bristol the Pistol too? How bout Todd the cheater?
 

The Todd Enquirer story turned out, surprise, to be another false one.

But I'm counting on Palin not running regardless of where she comes in the polls.  Although I need to get with Nutty to renegociate the terms of the bet...

I don't remember seeing where the Todd story was false but it's no biggie. I do remember tweeting something like: "So Todd Palin's actually got a pig with lipstick on the side!".

Polls are a dime a dozen and are always skewered the way the folks who commission them want. That's why I spend little time believing them, unless they're from a highly neutral source.

What's funny is the Republican take on Palin. The mainstream, old guard Republicans (you know, the ones who first embraced her) are now keeping her at arm's length. The Teabagger Republicans love her winks to them and would make her Queen of the World if they had a chance. The Libertarian Republicans (which I guess includes you now) should love her because she embodies and mimics their principles so well.

But...the real love affair with them is Ron Paul. He who will save the nation from its' government. That, I suspect, is why Palin polled so bad at the CPAC.

Oh, the bet! I'm in! Let's negotiate!

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Yeah I really don't want to give money to Muche but a bet is a bet. Willing to sit down at the bargaining table.

Why would you donate to the muche? Quite honestly, especially after setting this place up, it costs nothing - NOTHING! - to run unless you want to pay a couple of dollars a month to decrease the ads. They haven't done that in over a year, haven't done anything to sell shit, haven't upgraded (they've actually downgraded) the forum, haven't done anything but freak out worrying I might be lurking in the shadows. What part of THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN! do you not understand?  :D :D :D

But, hey, y'all can keep your bet over there and donate to MLG's film fund or move the bet over here. Your call!

Hah. I did a little research on this one. Looks like it was definitely false and got a lot of people in trouble. Seems like Palingates did a story on it and outright named it's source as a client of the purported ho. I guess the shit hit the fan and some folks were fired from Palingates and the blog entry was deleted.

I saw a follow up story of a police report that said that Todd was never part of the investigation.  Not sure what got the Enquirer on it though.  They are damaging their sterling journalistic reputation.

Yeah I contributed some in December but it's unlikely I'll do that again under current management.

What's funny is that was the ONE place online I was willing to spend money on.  Everything else I demand for free. 

Now, I demand everything for free.

Now what about this bet? And when are you going to start topics? Sheesh, you've got your own thread here!

The bet:  Nutty is sure that Palin will toss her glasses into the ring to run for President in 2012.  I don't see that.  So if she announces her run by the time of the Republican convention, he wins, which mean I pay the board.  If she doesn't announce by the start of the convention, I win, and same thing, he pays the board.

Of course neither of us want to contribute to the board under current circumstances, so we will probably have to come up with something else, maybe buying beers IRL or something.

I'm in! Nothing would be better than a meeting of the minds of Our Town congregating together to toast one another!