Welcome to Bizarro Amerika!

Oh snap!

It took the black socialist president to take down and kill the symbol of terrorism.

Congrats to Obama, the Joint Chiefs, JSOC, and the SEALS who put the final bullet in his head..

and yes finally, on the 8 year anniversary.... Mission Accomplished..

Well done !!


I've been looking all over the webs and it seems as tho Obama had nothing at all to with this, it was all GWB..  ::)  some on the Hannity forum feel Obama has so much in common with Osama that it's a wonder he ordered the hit at all.. then again, that was probably because he didn't want Osama stealing his US-sharia-institution glory.. ::)

it's beyond sad the extremes people will go to the dismiss this President. They can't even take this moment to rejoice as Americans..

to these scumbags I say, if Obama's to 'blame' for everything since he took office, then he gets the credit also..

Now the conspiracy of the body being buried at at sea will start and we'll have new 'deathers' any minute now..

It's incredulously stupid when people post shit like..


WTF. He probably supports The Donald for prez... ;)

GWB had eight years to do something...anything...except he was too busy searching for WMD's in Iraq.

Here's a comment you'll love, from RCP:

More...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/05/01/obama_at_my_direction_us_carried_out_operation_against_bin_laden-comments.html

Check out the comments. What's this about Bin Laden already being dead for a week?

Jesus...I should have known. Newsmax and Fox teaming up.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/US-Obama/2011/05/01/id/394737


I swear...they won't give him credit for anything!

Damn negro!

May 1, 2003: Eight years ago to the day:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2011/05/mission-accomplished-speech/37226/

Obama after his speech.

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Mortal Kombat fans.
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A majority of the credit should go to our Armed Forces. That being said, Obama deserves some credit for OK'ing the mission inside another countries borders. The same people complaining would be busting Obama's balls if the mission went to shit. The CT'ers are already complaining it was faked since they did not get to see the body. The dumbing down of America is getting really sad.

I already hate whatever shitty country song that Toby Keith is going to write about this.

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Looks like Randy "Macho Man" Savage was the one that got Osama.

Probably one of the funniest things I've ever read!

And so the stupid begins:

Eric Cantor:

"I commend President Obama who has followed the vigilance of President Bush in bringing Bin Laden to justice."

Perhaps he forgot Bush's own words?

"I truly am not that concerned about him.... You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, to be honest with you."

Did Cantor forget this?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/696wnfcp.asp

"...emphasis on bin Laden doesn't fit with the administration's strategy for combating terrorism."

What about Tora Bora?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A62618-2002Apr16&notFound=true



Dear Dubya:

No, you don't get any credit. Go away.

I don't get how some of these journalists are anti Obama no matter what. It makes other things some of them report suspect to me since they can't accept simple facts on something. It's the troops and commanders on the ground and in the sky who are to thank. But under Obama there have been a far larger number of high level terrorists taken down or out than under Bush. So if Obama has a secret muslim agenda he better get crackin'.

After the Presidents comments to America last night, I turned to Fox, purposely to see if and how many times I could count "GW' being mentioned...either indirectly concerning bin laden and then in direct regard to bin laden's death.  My tally, for an hour...

Indirectly: 14

Direct: 22

Total:  36

Best blowjob...evah.

It's not about a birth certificate anymore, it's about a death certificate. Just from the wording you can tell the implication that he's not dead without proof!

 (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20110502/twl-can-us-offer-final-proof-of-osama-s-3fd0ae9.html)

Those outlets questioning it are really making fools of themselves. How desperate are they for a clue...I have plenty of questions about foreign policy, etc...But the administration is not going to announce bin Laden's death as a rouse, ffs.

http://thenewsbomb.com/2011/04/15/years-of-deceit-united-states-openly-admits-bin-laden-long-dead/



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FOUR minutes later...


*sigh*


I give up.

Oh. That was the worst photoshop I've ever seen. I've seen better jib jabs

First video from inside the compound.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-dead-abbottabad-mansion_n_856206.html

Only FOX could display this level of dumb. But I'm sure it's just a joke...

you can almost feel the eyes rolling from the GOP can't you..

Look, I don't presume to give Obama all the credit since he didn't pull the trigger, but he did keep his word about going into Pakistan when he damn well felt like it if he found out OBL was there.. and it sounds as if while they were pretty sure it was OBL before they went, they weren't certain until they got there.. and that is pretty ballsy IMO.. 

But it also goes along with his entire presidency of higher  terrorists deaths..

so like him/love him/hate him just because.. he deserves his kudos in this..

I heard someone on some channel say this morning (not an exact quote) something along this of (with my own words added to his)

"I'm glad this wasn't a 'bombing' or a 'drone' attack, I'm glad that OBL got to hear the helicopters coming and got to know they were coming for him. I'm glad he got to hear and understand the automatic weapons fire was coming for him, I'm glad that he got to hear English being spoken by US Navy SEALS along with that gunfire. I'm glad he heard it,saw it and knew the US had finally caught him."

gave me goosebumps just typing it out... ;D

I must be psychic. (http://bigpeace.com/jmwaller/2011/05/02/display-bin-ladens-body-at-ground-zero-then-destroy-the-al-qaeda-legacy/) Thanks, Breitbart!

You do know why, don't you?

They could trot out Jesus to run against Obama next year and end up with a landslide loss! Last time around, McCain was the sacrificial lamb, who will it be in 2012?

Love me some HRC

"You cannot wait us out, you cannot defeat us, but you can make the choice to abandon al Qaeda and participate in a peaceful, political process."

Clinton added that America will continue "relentlessly pursuing the murderers who target innocent people."

"The fight continues and we will never waver," she said. "Now I know there are some who doubted this day would ever come. Who questioned our resolve and our reach. But let us remind ourselves this is America. We rise to the challenge. We persevere. And we get the job done."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20058839-503544.html

 ;D

This concerns me. I've never trusted Pakistan and if there's a conspiracy theory here it's that the Paki's knew bin Laden was holed up there. Hill's statement above really said: "OK. Are you assholes going to work with us now and get rid of all the terrorists or are we going to announce what you knew to the world?"

sorry, but no.. there is no 'debate' here..

I don't care how 'gruesome'.. release them, untouched, and be done with it..

No, I think it was more to skewer their asses even more..  make it seem like they are helping, even when we know they're not.. they will get more 'respect' for not helping us.. so she's making sure to bust their balls some, by crediting them with helping..  ;)




ring-ring

Hey-uh, this is President Obama... I, uh, just wanted to let you guys know that a Navy SEAL team entered Paki air space, landed in Abbottabad, detonated a disabled helicopter, but still conducted a successful mission"

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...


Oh yeah, the mission?  We killed OBL in your backyard.  Got a problem with that?



didn't think so.

tee-hee..

It looks like an honest error to me. I think they were intending to blurb
Report:Obama:bin Laden dead or something like that. Since that's not from the national Fox...local stations often have half wits doing things like mistyping that entry.

You quoted newsmax but mine is wrong? I didn't say anything about agreeing with the story. I was simply offering it as part of the circus that this is.

Since the only topic you guys seem to be interested in is not "UBL is dead , yah!" but Obama needs more credit, I'll give him some.

He had a choice between bombing the shit out of the compound... simple, or OK'ing a very risky operation to get him personally and make sure that he was dead, and he chose the riskier operation.  Based on his MO, that would have been the unlikelier bet.  But he did it, and it was by far the better decision.  We'll have documentation of his death and apparently had a great intelligence boon from all of the computer harddrives and who knows how much regular paperwork they nabbed.

So, great decision, great operation, and a great day for our country.

Interesting though that trying to figure out what Republican's are thinking is the very first thing you go for on this.  Like this is merely a political moment to be taken advantage of and nothing more.  There is a lot more to this than your petty scrounging for Obama praise.

UBL has been an itch in the back of my head since 9/11.  It was constant unfinished business, and the way that it was finally finished, was just so satisfying to me... to me this is a big moment in and of itself.

Perhaps we knew your guys would be crawling out of the woodwork praising Dubya for his tight work.


That would be an amazing feat, even for Dubya. Especially since the compound wasn't even built until 2005.

As far as you mimicking Cheney on the torture stuff, not really...

 (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/02/972387/-Republicans-say-torture-led-US-to-bin-Laden-Facts-say-otherwise)
Someday, somehow, somewhere, you guys will give up the Bush/Cheney praise and realize what a complete fraud they were.

Oh! The perfect idea for the Official Republican Party Sacrificial Lamb of 2012.



DICK CHENEY

It just seemed weird to me that protecting Obama was your first reaction.  I didn't mention Dubya, and if I didn't, no one on this board would.  And your reply is a prefect example of this.

Honestly, you really only see this as a political opportunity for Obama don't you?  There really is no other meaning to you.

Facinating.


?  I never said he was tracked to the compound before it was built.


Besides this email copied from your Kos blog, where are you getting this that they got the information in 05 or 06?  What information, the name or the nickname? That seems to come from thin air.  Remember they got the nickname from the interrogations, and then later connected that to an actual name. You might as well have quoted yourself for all of the accuracy you've provided.

http://www.startribune.com/nation/121089124.html (http://www.startribune.com/nation/121089124.html)

Officials: CIA interrogators at secret prisons developed first strands that led to bin Laden


WASHINGTON - Officials say CIA interrogators in secret overseas prisons developed the first strands of information that ultimately led to the killing of Osama bin Laden.

Current and former U.S. officials say that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, provided the nom de guerre of one of bin Laden's most trusted aides. The CIA got similar information from Mohammed's successor, Abu Faraj al-Libi. Both were subjected to harsh interrogation tactics inside CIA prisons in Poland and Romania.

The news is sure to reignite debate over whether the now-closed interrogation and detention program was successful. Former president George W. Bush authorized the CIA to use the harshest interrogation tactics in U.S. history. President Barack Obama closed the prison system.



Even MSNBC is confirming this.  I'm watching Hardball now. 

the newest front runner in the 2011 worst use of four square...and possible worst use ever...

bin laden....

So was I and didn't hear a word...

Even Rummy and Newsmax say waterboarding wasn't the answer.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/DonaldRumsfeld-gitmo-waterboarding-osamabinladen/2011/05/02/id/394820?s=al&promo_code=C30F-1

uh, not so fast quick-draw



The revelation that intelligence gleaned from the CIA's so-called black sites helped kill bin Laden was seen as vindication for many intelligence officials who have been repeatedly investigated and criticized for their involvement in a program that involved the harshest interrogation methods in U.S. history.

"We got beat up for it, but those efforts led to this great day," said Marty Martin, a retired CIA officer who for years led the hunt for bin Laden.

Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic..

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=13512344


as for 'protecting Obama'.. check the post time... I posted at 7:44 this AM and you guys were already claiming GWB V-Day and that Obama had nothing to do with it.. that is, if he was even telling the truth. I was happy to make this an 'all American day' until your party decided once again, to shit on anything good this President tries and succeeds  in..


BTW, your suck up to Bush post on muche pretty much proved that this whole thing didn't mean anything other than another Bush blow job from you,.. so please, get off the horse already.. ::)

but hey, you did atleast give Obama some credit after all that smark.. so that's something..

I heartily agree with Lil Mike!  Words cannot truly express my admiration for the brave men that participated in this mission.  The fact that there were no US casualties, despite the loss of one of our helicopters, is amazing.

That being said, I was dismayed while listening to the Love Doctors on WPB Real Radio today.  As you may know, that show is an open forum with un-screened calls.  For hours there was a steady stream of Obama-haters and conspiracy nuts.  Their message was mostly the same.  The president is a socialist and a Muslim!  The claim of OBL's death must be a hoax designed to boost Obama's popularity!  Most of these callers refused to stay on the line to discuss the subject.  Those that did all had a similar argument:  a)Obama=Bad, b)OBL dead=Good.  Since "a" is absolute, "b" must be false.  To me, this is an insult to our troops and I hope none of the men who risked their lives in this operation were listening to the show online (The Docs often read emails from our troops).

I don't see it as protecting Obama, but merely pointing out hypocrisy and double standards.  "he's soft on terrorism...BUT...he's killing to many terrorists.  He stands in the way of business...BUT...bows to wall street and has given more breaks and incentives to business than in recent history."  There's this weird overt theme that isn't shy about trying to neuter him at every turn.  

"People bashed Bush."  Did they question his nationality?  Did they see a secret terrorist?  Did they question his chosen religion?  Did they praise him despite political affiliation when he deserved it, without condistions?  There's a difference between being pissed off as hell at policy choices and directing that at the person who made them...and being scared shit-less, of the person, based on fabrication and lies.  I'll be the first to admit, you root for the home team.  You tend to see the positives before the negatives and throw an extra bump here and there.  But I've never been shy about calling out our Presidents short comings or policy decisions...that were in my opinion flawed or lacked "oomph"...but jesus christ...the GOP couldn't throw obama a "good on ya" without a nut kick if they tried.

Fox wasted no time calling into question what the ops team "really" did and praising the military and Bush in the same breath...and sorta, kind...including the President...in an outcast kind of way.  I've watched it off and on all day.  While MSNBC may be on their knees sucking his praises, over at Fox it's all "Coat Tails" and "Johnny come lately."  It just gets really old and tiresome when disagreements trail not so subtly away from policy and keep going head long into character assassination to make a case.

So I'm laying here watching MSNBC and they just said that when KSM was asked about the courier's name he indicated he didn't know who the guy was and brushed it off.

That convinced the CIA he was important.

No waterboarding involved...

exactly..

there can't be a 'good job yo!' with no strings attached?   Why can't it be about Obama? and The ballsy decision he made... Bush didn't make the decision to send spec forces into another country, covertly, on a damn good hunch, to see if the person they thought was in the compound, was really in the compound.  McCain didn't decide on sending helicopters and boots on the found instead of dropping a 2000lbs bomb on the place an obliterate it from existence.. Rummy didn't tell Bush to send in a predator and drop a few smaller missiles on the place.. No, Obama made a pretty big damn call and just by luck it worked.. we know from Viet Nam to Mogadishu that these things don't always turn out the way they are supposed to.. not too mention some times the person we think is there, isn't..

Let's not forget Bush stopped looking for OBL in 2004-05.. which is about the same time OBL built this place and comfortably moved in and lived for the last 6 years..

nor let's forget it was Obama who ordered the CIA to start back up it's mission to find OBL at all costs..

and if these people 'really' cared and are just thanking 'everyone' who was involved.. then where is their thanks to Bill Clinotn?  That's right, this whole hunt started with him..   Even Dick Cheney says that. .. so where is the "Thanks Bill"

It simply amazes me that Bush can't be blamed for 9/11 because he was only president for 9 months.. but 2 1/2 years since he's been out of office, he gets credit for this..  well fine, if Bush's terror polices are still reverberating to the point where he gets the credit for this capture, then his economic polices are still reverberating and fucking things up today. If Obama can't get the majority, if not, sole credit for the OBL kill and those in the GOP must give Bush the lion's share.. then Obama must not be blamed for anything he's done to the economy either and the lion's share of that crisis can also go to their dear leader Bush.

can't have it both ways.. If GWB's polices, which haven't been changed, can't be blamed for the economic crisis since Obama has made his own changes and additions... well then Bush's national security polices, which haven't been changed much, can't be credited to Bush since Obama has made his own changes and additions..

Yeah, I heard something similar last night, that among many other things that proved false, he gave up a 'nickname' of the guy but had no other info on him.. another guy, a few years later mentioned that same nickname and they got a 'hunch' to start trying to find this guy.. which they did, on accident, it just went from there..


by no means should this be taken as if I don't have mad respect for the intel guys who followed and linked it all together.. I think that's just bad-ass.. but it doesn't look like KSM  needed to be tortured to give up this nickname...

I watched Hannity last night and he asked every 'guest' the same cpl questions..in essence  "Don't you think Bush's intense interrogation policy is now vindicated" and "Should Obama have buried this guy? Was he too PC?"

1st.. he was like a dude with a hard-on waiting for his 'money shot' to finish his jerk session too.. he started with Giuliani, who did give him a rub here and there on his answers.. But then he asked Tommy Franks, Franks would only say that RE the torture, (not that America should ever torture anyone) That the president needs to be able to make the decision on it and then be held accountable for his decision.. (side note, halleluiah, That's been my position all along and I'm happy I share it with Tommy Franks! No! we don't torture as a policy, but in a Jack Bauer scenario, do what you have to do and stand behind it, out in the open, and don't hide behind some bullshit lawyer's free-pass. If you're going to use it, be ready to stand up and defend that use.. we'll back you up if the scenario was that drastic..But pull out your dick and piss on us while we're watching and then try to tell us it's really raining? well fuck you, now you're gonna get called on it)... anyway, Franks then answered that he was satisfied that OBL was buried at sea.. end of story and Hannity moved on to his 'panel of Americans' and that's when he got his money shot and not only could you see it building up in him, the need to have someone, anyone validate his accusations... but you could hear it when it happened..

yes, the father and sister of 9/11 victims don't approve of Obama and they gave Hannity everything he wanted and then some.. it was the creepiest thing I'd ever seen.. watching him try to get that bait taken, but not being able to get an actual nibble.. and the finally, he hooked a big ones... family members of 9/11 victims.. and my oh my, was he satisfied to get that pump-job out of the way..


my question is.. why?  Why in the hell is there this need to still shit on this president, to take him down a peg, to question him and force him to take sole credit for a crisis and then take away credit for an accomplishment? Why this compulsion to say "Oh I think he deserves credit BUT...." why the need for the "BUT"?  How about a Thank you, and move on?

Why can't we be civilized? Why not show respect to a fallen enemy and provide him a burial fitting his religion? Not like it's ever been done before?

Why give more fuel to the fire of a bunch of crazy people who are intent on revenge already? Why drag bin Laden's body through the streets and piss off every Muslim in the world?


Do we know for sure they were family members of a victim? Or were they merely identified as such? Even if they were, it's the same as the teabaggers/medicare, teachers/anti-unions, and so on...there's crazies everywhere out there wanting to get their 15 minutes of fame.


Because he's black!

The death of UBL/OBL(dude is entering Qadaffi terrority with multiple spellings, which is another reasons the muslims are evil. We can't seem to agree on how to spell their names.) is an example of what is wrong with our country. This is a historic moment in our nation, we killed the asshole that masterminded the downing of our towers. We celebrated for about 1 hour before the right tried to give credit to Bush. Bush deserves some credit because it was a 10 year process to get this asshole but Bush deserves a small amount of praise. A majority of praise should go to the military and Obama for having balls for ordering this mission in another country whom are supposed to be our allies. If this went wrong, (ala Carter and Iran) then Obama would have deservedly gotten all the heat.

I was watching Fox and Friends this morning because they had Brennan on, and the first thing the Fembot Gretchen asked is "Bush should get credit for this raid." Brennan was too smart for that shit and basically shut her down and made her look like a hack. She did not say another word and did not even tell him good bye, when he left. Douchey looked sad all day today. They were trying to get Brennan to say all the information came from Bush waterboardings and once again he shut that shit down. Brennan was basically saying a lot of people contributed over the last 10 years and many people are responsible which is correct.

I guess what is making those on the left angry is the attempt to underplay Obamas role in all this and throw their laurels at Bush's feet.
It would be like if I hooked up with Jessica Alba and everyone wanted to give credit to my buddy that set us up. Yes without him the hook up would not have taken place, but I closed the deal and deserve a majority of credit.

Check out Drudge...every other post is about how Obama's popularity isn't gaining because of this. They're so scared they've already lost next years election they can't give him credit.

I've been trying to come up with a list.. I can't remember them all, but these are some of the 'major' complaints about just how 'evil' Obama is.. proof, if you will, as to just how anti-amercan he is..

-He wasn't born here...he's African dude!
-He's not Christian... he's terrorist Muslim
-He tried to get the Olympics.. only a commie-bastard would do that.[/li][/list]
-He got the Nobel Peace Prize.. just like some Euro-snob-elitist (aka,socialist)
-He uses a teleprompter.. Only someone with something to hide does that
-He bowed to another leader.... what a pussy, doesn't he know  you're supposed to kiss them and hold their hand?
-He uses things called 'Czars' for I guess the 1st time in history.nevermind it's just a nickname given by reporters so they can remember who is who, nevermind it's been around for a decade or two, Obama's 'Czars' prove he's a commie-socialist dictator hellbent on changing this country into something unrecognizable..
-He dares to address school children.. OMG he's indoctrinating, he is really going to brainwash our children.. let's keep them out of school!! which he will then turn into...
-His own version of the SS..
-He has a deep seeded hate for white people!



UH.. three words.. "Terrorist fist-bumb"

The end.

That is what Obama's dealt with.. these scathing attacks.. thrown for a single reason.. to make him 'not one of us'..

it's kinda sad to see them in list format isn't it?

Huh. I'm sitting here reading this on Drudge (http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3b.htm), no link, no source, no nothing. And then hear that the WH says they haven't decided to release the death photo and don't know where the internet rumors are coming from.  :D

This is like the "rumors" that got actual and serious air time of Clinton whacking people mob style, magnified 100 fold, or the underground rumor that he was going to be the "last president" by declaring national marshal law and make himself king.  Every president has some weird bullshit thrown at them that takes a swipe, via pissed off other party rabble rousers who are happy to somehow de-legitimize a sitting POTUS they didn't vote for.  Party Politics run deep and strong with angst in a lot more people than we'd like to realize...thus crazy shit surfaces.

The crazy shit usually stays in the realm of the most die hard, with a little over flow to sometimes see the light of day in the mainstream...and there it flops around as long as the media, press, and most importantly...the average citizen decides to entertain it and bestow momentary or sustained credibility to it.  Kennedy being Catholic was a big brew ha-ha, "OMG, he'll take his orders from the Pope!" That one persisted throughout his short Presidency.  Find a President, and you'll find some attempt to scuttle them personally.  If there's a chick you don't like, it's quicker and more damaging to make her a whore, than it is to list the differences of opinion you have that may or may not be a point of contention with the people you're trying to turn against her as well. Don't rationalize...demoralize and cannibalize.  It usually helps if you can find some mutual ground to hate on, but it's not required.

Now we come fast forward to Obama...oh man...Katie bar the door.  If this were the Olympics of Character assassination, even calling a past president a hermaphrodite, doesn't hold a candle to the Gold's being handed out now.  Every past President should bow their head in shame for their weak showings...that shit was child's play compared to the jacked up, steroid riddled De-bashlon going on now.

Give me a day, a week, a speech, a personal quote, an action preformed, an inaction preformed, a triumph, a let down, and I'll give ya rumor...treated as news and entertained.  It's beautiful, it's maliciously overt.  Bush didn't have shit for character contempt compared to the A game being hauled out for Obama.  Keith Olbermann you say?  Bah, he merely assaulted Bush' intellect on policy choices.  His Gatling Gun of verbose repugnance were BB's aimed at calling out Bush' decisions and taking a poke at holding hands with a prince, wheeeeeeeeeee.  But Obama?  Oh man, he's a freak'in danger to the entire U.S. of A!  Because he's a socialist, marxist, communist, totalitarian dictator hell bent on...well...pick something.

Let me be clear.  I didn't care for Bush, because I didn't agree with quite a few of his policy choices.  I never thought that he was anything other than a man, who was President, who I didn't feel was appropriate for the office.  I never elevated him to a position of loathing, nor contempt.  He was my President, who I didn't agree with.  I never once was scared of him.  I know people disliked him.  I know people hated him.  I also know people held these feelings for him not because of his "questionable" religion, nor his "questionable" birth, nor his "questionable" allegiances.  Even his detractors would be the first to agree that he loved this country.  Maybe they questioned what that love entailed, but there was never a question as to his devotion.  Obama doesn't even get a pass on that.  "Everything" and I mean "Everything" is suspect.  The game is constantly being elevated.  It's going to go to far.

I agree about not hating but if anyone comes close it would be directed at Kissinger for my part and not the orchestrated main stream thesis/antithesis, right/left which doesn't affect anything. I think it's highly unlikely that it happened when they say it did but I'm not really interested in taking it to the mat. I just wish it would result in a true withdrawal of NATO forces in the mid east which won't happen, which makes this effectively a muchado about nothing. I mean that in support of the troops as in they should be coming home and not to in any way disrespect what they do.

Wow, you really missed the point didn't you? 


Let me be more clear:  I found your mindset a bit repulsive.  The  first thing, the very first thing that occurs to you on hearing UBL is dead, is about attacking your political enemies, and to you they are not mere opponents, but enemies.  I've no doubt you find the Republican Party a far greater danger than Al Qaeda.

The post of mine that you swiped from the muche is a perfect example.  It was about congratulating the seriously difficult work that intelligence professionals did over a course of years, a crumb at a time, to put together the picture that lead us to where UBL was holed up.  And how did you read it?  A praise of Bushes interrogation policies.  I never said a word about that, but how could you not see it that way, considering how twisted your worldview is?

I've written plenty on Bushes policies in years past, so my feelings toward them are not exacty secret, but that sure had nothing to do with my post on the muche yesterday.  You sure managed to sour that.

And naturally enough, you were wrong with your ridiculous Kos post. The news accounts are fairly clear.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ikAZCh0ww4Y1tnn_VhV3j8H5GTEg (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ikAZCh0ww4Y1tnn_VhV3j8H5GTEg)

First strands on bin Laden gathered in CIA prison


WASHINGTON (AP) — Officials say CIA interrogators in secret overseas prisons developed the first strands of information that ultimately led to the killing of Osama bin Laden.

Current and former U.S. officials say that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, provided the nom de guerre of one of bin Laden's most trusted aides. The CIA got similar information from Mohammed's successor, Abu Faraj al-Libi. Both were subjected to harsh interrogation tactics inside CIA prisons in Poland and Romania.

The news is sure to reignite debate over whether the now-closed interrogation and detention program was successful. Former president George W. Bush authorized the CIA to use the harshest interrogation tactics in U.S. history. President Barack Obama closed the prison system.



Fight the news all you want, but you are going to have to do better than that Kos blog.

But the in the meantime, you've once again revealed your true colors.  If I were you, I would do a better job of hiding those.  They're not pretty.

Read the above response to Howey.  Unfortunately over time you are becoming more and more like him.  This thread and your posts is a prime example.  Sad to say.

I wasn't declaring GWB day.  If you read my posts on this I gave credit to Obama, and never mentioned Bush.  It's interesting that the first thing that you think about on hearing this news is Bush.  Like Howey, you seem to have read my muche post as a Bush praise post.  Man that's so absurd that it only shows the twisted hateful obsession you have for him.  So strong and overwhelming is the desire to delegitimize him is that the first thing you and Howey think about is: Bush.

It's weird and sad and weirdly sad. 

I am glad that I had the whole day yesterday at work to feel good about what happened before I got on the board and had it soured by you two.

(quick thought:  new name for this section: Bile.   It's not funny, just descriptive)

As for the article you posted, I'll be nice and give you a chance to discover what's wrong with your take on it.  I doubt you will though.  Your mind seems to far twisted by hate to read anything rationally.

I have to side with Mike on this one (and I suspect this is happening more often than in the past). It did seem odd and bothering to me that both of you immediately jumped on the partisan wagon when this news came out. It seems like it should be an event that can cross party lines. You both know as well as I do if GWB had found this guy, you'd be finding some way to perhaps crap on it--if only because your dislike of the man runs too deep to be overcome with grudging praise. Mike's post didn't seem even grudgingly written.

I for one am proud Obama did it--I think it's a good example of the strong leadership potential I saw when I campaigned for him. It was awfully fucking presidential of him, wasn't it? I hope he brushed his shoulders off afterwards, because he deserves it. My personal reaction to the news of his death was quite different though.

Remember the days after 9/11?

The entire nation rallied behind the president. Congress took on a decided bipartisan tone in support of the president's actions.

Nobody questioned him.

Can you honestly say that's happening now? No. The right wing extreme fringe has grown to such ridiculous levels there was no choice but to add a defense of Obama's action while praising him.

Mike's first post on the muche was so patently wrong, even if he did not name Bush directly, thenintent of his words were there.

Since then, he's been shown that Bush gave up on finding bin Laden, he's been shown that waterboarding was not the one thing that precipitated this action, and his obstinance refuses, as usual, to see what me, ekg, and Chuck are saying.

And...he's doing it in a manner that's insulting, not to me, but to the intent of this forum.

As he did with the muche in his one-handed death wish on the Politika section, Mike will attack, demean, insult and otherwise do everything possible to distract the conversation from the truth - that he can be wrong.

I'll concede I don't think Mike defeats easily--he wouldn't be participating in a conversation that's stretched for over 10 years if he did. Neither you or Kelly admit defeat easily either. But I don't think he's being this deliberately malignant force that you're thinking he is.

I think if you were to check, ekg and I both admit to being wrong when we are.

One more thing...if this had been Bush taking down bin Laden, I would have been proud.

What was "patently wrong" about my post on the muche?

If you feel you've been personally insulted, maybe you shouldn't participate in behavior that's foul and atrocious?  I have to tell you, what I saw here on this board yesterday was not at all what I expected, even from you (shame on me for being surprised).  And if you are proud and feel justified of your posts, then no attack or demeaning insult will effect that.

I thought you were trying to have a place for civil discourse here, but you've missed the mark at every opportunity.

you should unbury your head.. I had one post condemning the fringe.. the rest was nothing but the equivalent of a stadium chanting USA.  The condemnation is deserved since your side of the aisle can't  throw a 'good job' at this president without bring up Bush.. or 1000 other things.. there is always that BUT...

This was my 1st post on this subject at 745am


My next post was at 5pm.. and by that time, GWB credit was all over the place... even Drudge was calling into question everything.. You saw Chuck's post, with his count of BUSH talk on the eve of the announcements..

so spare me this idea that I jumped on the partsian wagon immediately.. It was there, you guys pulled it out and had it waiting before I even had a chance to get to this board.. There were 7 page threads on the Hannity site blaming OBama and rejoicing GWB.. there wasn't anything I did to start it.. I said my peace about how shitty they were and then moved on to a pretty damn awesome *enhanced* quote I heard and some HRC speech praise..

that 5pm post, had a snark line in it and nothing but goosebumps and love in the reast..same with the next post on HRC's words, and the next post about releasing the photos, and my fake Obama calling Pakistan..

and yet you missed allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll of that and came by to say

"Since the only topic you guys seem to be interested in is not "UBL is dead , yah!" but Obama needs more credit"

UH nope.. we were having many topics of conversation most of which were in praise of the killing, the actions taken, the speech given afterwards.. But you didn't want to get in on them, you wanted to start out punching at 'us all' because I said I didn't like what I saw on the Hannity boards and Chuck gave the Fox/GWB count.. and ignoring the meat of everything we had said..? sorry, you're not gonna get away with that here.


really? I don't see anything about OBama at all.. Just Bush..



No mention of OBama at all... just references to 2004(bush) and 2007(bush).. you did exactly what Palin did, thanked the Bush poliy, the Bush timeline and the mission without ever having to say Good Job to the current POTUS..



nope, still not wrong..

but what is interesting is that you don't get where your piece is wrong.. see while it says that those interrogations were used, and it says KSM gave us the name.. it never directly says he gave us the name due to the torture.. it leaves the reader to jump to that conclusion if they so wish to.. which you do, you have a need to feel vindicated, which is why you posted that piece to begin with(again, please stop pretending you weren't making this political yourself).. the article I posted clarified yours.. yes, KSM talked.. yes KSM was tortured.. but he didn't give up that nickname under the torture, that, he gave under normal interrogation..

I disagree..I have gone over my initial post on this, I didn't turn anything 'partisan' until after Mike's all-/inclusive comment..

my very 1st post on this subject expressed my disgust of those making it partsian..


the 'deathers' was already a drudge-headline by the time I made that post at 745am..

I didn't say anything else until 5pm, and that was a pretty awesome, if I say so myself, enhanced quote I heard throughout the day..




true, I did make a single lined "You can hear their eyes rolling" comment.. but again, the other 99.9% of that post was nothing but good feelings on the subject..

my next posts were 100% in respect of the situation... not to do with politics..It wasn't until l after 2 of Mike's "It just seemed weird to me that protecting Obama was your first reaction.  I didn't mention Dubya, and if I didn't, no one on this board would" or "Since the only topic you guys seem to be interested in is not "UBL is dead , yah!" , that I decided he wanted to make it partsian, then fine.. we'd make it partsian..

Let's be honest, this was almost a gigantic cluster fuck like Iran or Somalia.  We even forgot to put gas in one of the choppers. (I hope I'm kidding about that but, seriously, didn't anybody give the thing a tune up before it went out on, like, their most important mission ever)? 

We got lucky and Obama's call on this was only indicative of someone who had paid attention.  Clinton bombed an asprin factory and GWB carpet bombed most of Afghanistan with the much vaunted "bunker busters" for months to no avail.  I do give him respect for making this a targeted assault as opposed to the usual high level waxing we give problems like this.  It's.... almost.... like... he... wants... to SOLVE... the probelm instead of fighting a fucking ground war against a decentralized enemy....  but, nah, we couldn't be learning from history could we?

I am not proud of this operation.  I am amazed that our usually thuddingly bad intelligence and often incompetent special forces were able to pull this out.

Good job, America. 

(http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i426/daywalker7/DaywalkerMA.gif)

I respectfully disagree. This was a remarkably well-planned and executed foray. Hell, they even planned for a replacement helicopter if something went wrong!

The intelligence was meticulously pieced together, examined, verified as much as possible, and examined some more before the authorization was given.


Oh shit. Now you're going to piss off lilMike. Be prepared to be called names.  ;D

btw...I wonder how long it's going to be before that's stolen and posted elsewhere?

He should not be mad at me, but be mad at Daywalker who is the guy/girl (pretty much assume it is a dude with the handle of daywalker but being PC went with the he/she) that made the Mission Accomplished shoop.

I'll admit my first post was partisan. It should have been because I knew what was coming from the right. And it's still continuing. Anything possible to discredit the President's historic accomplishment has been attempted, including the usual personal smears and lies.

Witness this:


Newsmax and FOX were soooooo anxious to discredit the President they didn't even comprehend his statement:



By misinterpreting these concise words, the hatred began.

So yes, my posts are partisan. Always have been and always will. For every partisan post on the internet from people like me there's thousands attempting to discredit our president and his actions with lies and rumors.

I challenge anyone here to find one lie in this thread from me. Jokes? Sure. Sarcasm? Hell yes!

Mike has continued to well-honed agenda of someone elsewhere, who in an attempt to discredit my words, screamed YOU LIE! and resorted to name calling to discredit my words.

This is my forum. I envisioned this forum to be open game on any and all politicians as long as words are factually based.

In order to prevent this forum into turning into the miserable fuckfest that the muche turned into, the only stipulation I made was this:


Mike is the only person on here who persistently resorts to these antics. Yet, unlike what happened to me, he's not been banned and will never be banned. I don't work that way. As I've said before, you want to be banned go elsewhere.

Yet, I will not tolerate a continuance of this. (Collective) You want to discuss things civilly. Fine. Stay here. (Collective) You want to degrade your fellow posters with childish name calling?

Not on my forum.

Planned for a backup chopper?  Redundancy of escape is not really super-warrior-brain thinking, it's kinda basic.  Still, I don't want to totally take away from it.  Things like this are hard-- and Power Team USA has a history of spectacular public failures...so we got that going for us.

The intelligence was indeed key.... it's just it's been so bad for so long and so wildly insensitive to what was actually happening in the region that this seems like an aberation in the face of a hundred WMD fallacies.  Again, I was amazed.

Another wise decision. The photos will not be released.

Was I lying the right wing was more concerned about Obama's poll numbers than the death of bin Laden?

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201105020016


Listen to the whole thing.

I know.. they're having apoplectic fits at Fox with this whole thing..  They're trying to find a way to blame him.. Beck even hinted last night that now that Obama killed Osama, we're going to be less safe so he (obama) has in fact, been a danger to this country and it's national security..  on top of being a Muslim,socialist and all of course. ::) ::)

he had his chalkboards in full force, but I couldn't watch it long enough to see how he drew it all together..

So Beck is still on TV? I thought with his souless media whore side show he was finally even too much to be allowed on Murdoch's crusty old lap. I realize most here probably more monitor him than watch as uninformed idiots, his target audience. This question is directed to the ekg :D

I've tried in the past to watch him, since Stewart makes fun of him so much, I thought "Hey, let me see what he's doing tonight".. but I swear I could never get past minute 2... That was all I could take before it felt as if my head was going to come right off.. HA!

The same with Hannity..

But, when Olbermann took off there was a void in my life.. I like Matthews well enough to watch for about 50 mins, Lawrence O'Donnell is too bombastic to handle for more than 20-30 mins and Maddow too long winded most nights to get more than a good few minutes .. So I still needed to fill in some time until Anderson Cooper at 1am.  So I watch all 3 MSNBC people for a total of about 1hr 20 mins, and then watch Hannity, kinda, I fast forward thru a lot..a whole lot.. I can't watch his American Panel(or whatever) but the rest I can sometimes get a good 15 mins out of him now..  and then the Daily show and by that time it's AC360 time..

Hannity was an acquired taste.. it was like easing into a scalding tub of water, I had to do it a little at a time.. I'm probably at the level of my knee right now.. HA!

But not so for Beck... him? I just can't do.. it just so fake and phoney..it's a caricature, a distortion of.. well sanity, and yet, people believe it.. :o

 With the exception of last night. For whatever reason I left it on Fox when he came on at 1am and he started in so I followed him for as long as I could.. which this time was a good 5-7 mins ;D

Here is what's interesting to me, this was the post that you said was just references to Bush:


First, remember what I was replying to.  wrongo's post congratulating the intel folks involved in putting all the pieces together to find his location.  I have a special fondness for those much maligned folks, since their job is to describe a picture of a 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle with maybe 20 pieces.  And based on the newspaper and TV reporting for that day, that was the intell timeline.  Still is as far as I know.

So for you to look at that and see Bush Bush and more Bush... well I dunno.  I mean, sure I'm partisan, but you are some kind of uberpartisan.  You can't even look at a post like that and not see a veiled partisan agenda.  Sure, I could tell you there wasn't one but you would never believe it because you know if the situation was reversed, you would have a partisan agenda.

And as this thread shows, you did.

no, as that muche post and the 2 other posts of yours on here shows.. you wanted to make it partsian. You wanted to point to Bush, not Obama.. or, not just Obama..

why do I think that?

easy... I've been doing this with you long enough to know your tricks.. It's the pass/agress thing I've always accused of..had your goal been solely to thank the intel world, then why didn't you mention the intel gathered in 2009? and the other intel gathered in 2010? or the 5 security briefing in 2011 going over the intel that led up to the raid?  you knew about them also...



you left off the 2008,2010 intel accomplishments... and that information was just from Obama's speech.. I know you watched more than that on Sunday night  and heard even more throughout the day on Monday until you posted that night on muche, so you had to have heard about the phone call being tapped in 2010 that finally found this guy..and the following of him to the compound and the intel acquired after all of that..if not more of the intel successes..

see, if your intention weren't to bring Bush up in a veiled way that you could later deny was your intent, you could easily have said...

"Indeed.  It was an amazing job of putting the pieces together stretching across  years.  Starting with getting the courier's nickname through our interrogation of prisoners in 2004, to connecting that nickname to a real name in 2007, to finding the guy in 2010 and tracking him down to that compound.  From there, discovering Bin Ladin's courier lives in a compound with no phone or internet?"

or even more simply " It was an amazing job of putting the pieces together stretching across  years.  Starting in 2004 and ending in 2011"

that would have really encompassed the entirety of the intelligence world wouldn't it?... but you specifically left off any date that could be drawn back to this president, while being very explicit in your date range to only include the timeline of GWB..

talk about maligning the intel world. you left off 4 years.. 2 of which, under this current administration that were the coup de grace that sealed OBL's fate  

now that I re-read this.. it's really quite astonishing the level you went to to eliminate any reference to OBama.. you claim it wasn't intentional, so its even more interesting that your subconscious is this partsian without you even knowing it...

maybe you should have the looked at..


But... I've done with this with you for yeaaarrrrss.. and this is something you are notorious at doing. This 'veil'  you use in your triumphs,critique,POV,opinions,guesses.. etc.. you are expert at the 'saying without saying' so that if you are called on it, you deny any thing of the sort.  You never say anything without having a way out of it. That's been you and will always be you. And that's what you did here..

Boo Hoo! So Bush refused to attend today's ceremony because Obama hurt his itty bitty feelings?



Umm...yeah. He did, Dubya:

http://camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=3&id=41822&Itemid=164#41860
On November 2, 2007, former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto told Al-Jazeera’s David Frost that Omar Sheikh had killed Osama Bin Laden.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg
Rebuttal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IIn_UnLO9I
The man talking has worked in at least five presidential administrations and stands by bin Laden being dead since 2001.

(the guy talking)
http://www.stevepieczenik.com/bio.htm

Wow.  I'm really sorry you let youself get so twisted that you think that.  You know, I don't think your lying.  I think after a full day of hyperpartisan frenzy, not to mention two and a half years of unlearning how to think critically, I've no doubt you really did read my post and saw nothing but BUSH BUSH and MORE BUSH.

heh.

Anyway, you've convinced me that there is literally nothing I could have written that you would not have seen the spectre of Bush in my words.  All I can do is roll my eyes.

 ::)

Only in Texas? (http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/texas-teacher-put-on-leave-after-making-bin-laden-uncle-remark-to-muslim-student-in-class/2011/05/04/AFQr87rF_story.html) Not really...but it's certainly par for the course...

That's a great example of a misplaced inappropriate and hateful mindset that breeds more callousness and cynical overtones being accepted towards an entire race and I'm not an Arab fan. The reason is that  when I see people from Arabian countries it makes me think about how in my view. we would have been a lot better off if the trade structure and manufacturing sector/trade deficits etc... could have struck a balance with globalization where as in the 50's and 60's, many countries were strong and thriving with mostly common sense restrictions and policies that pretty much kept everyone happy. We might have been better off without planes. But I wouldn't think of saying something to a child of any race that was insulting and had absolutely nothing to do with their existence, good, bad or indifferent. It really pisses me off when I hear a parent speaking with an 8 year old as if the child is an emotional equal and fully comprehends the attitude. I'm not suggesting there's not a need for discipline and guidance, I'm saying that many parents are incapable of the enormous responsibility they signed up for.

Posted by: lil mike  

As an almost impartial observer, I see truth in what's being said here. It goes both ways and sometimes three ways. The three of you obviously have a deep seeded love/hate game that's not as serious as it appears to me at times. My thinking is that if you want to move away from that being your constant unchangeable m.o. which is not entertaining...Instead of beating the dead horses that Jack Kirpatrick and Shana Alexander covered on 60 Minutes in 1970:Have a Sweden spirited thread or section where issues, policies. whatever, can only be discussed based on verifiable facts of x event;maybe recent history that's not still being investigated. Something that goes deeper than a battle of threads of the day type thing and anything, even if it's only one thread...that stops the endless cycle. It's like if my music stuff was only about my faves or was any one thing, it wouldn't have gone anywhere.

what?

that can't be true..

I was pretty proud of him for not going.. I thought he felt that maybe since Obama was in office,it was his big day and all.. I thought it was pretty altruistic of him

sure, you could have included any time after 2008 in your specificity..or not been so specific to only mention the Bush years as the years you were just so proud of the intel community..but ahhh, that wasn't what you were going for was it?

as for my "full day of hyperpartisan frenzy"  that's pretty funny, given the timeline of my posts and yours.. especially since I didn't get partsian until after you did, twice..  but why let facts like time get in your way.. right?

heh.. we're fucking awesome!


even our dogs are bad ass.. ;D


(http://timenewsfeed.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/helicopterdogs.jpg?w=455)

oh yeah... so I googled 'canine armor'...










































(http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/9357/body_armor_dog_1.jpg)

HA!

Pretty interesting from Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogs_in_warfare

yeah.. but did they have armor and repel out of helicopters ;)

Well soooorrry about leaving out the full details of of that intel scoop when I just posted a few lines.

So, great job NSA!


I almost thought about asking you to show me the two "partisan posts" I supposedly posted before you got partisan (  ::) ).  But since one of them is bound to be the post that I reposted above... wow whats the point?

Al-Awlaki narrowly escapes attack in Yemen: (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703992704576307594129219756.html)

no you're not.. your intention was to draw a specific link to a specific timeline.. mission accomplished..


again..



right here..where you started the whole argument..




take a look at the 1st.. and scroll up.. then tell me just how hyper-uber-super-duper-extreme partsian I had been all day.. so much so in fact that it made you sad..

I think that's about the easiest challenge you've ever tossed out.

a swing anddd aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa miss..  awwwwwwwwwwwwww the crowd is not happy.

don't you like how you had to cut off the praise first to get to that part? HA! you can't have that in there or it doesn't play right in your reality..

anyway..That wasn't me being partisan, that was me expressing disgust with the shitheads on Hannity's forum and elsewhere on the web and what they were saying..  I came here and bitched about they were saying and said...

it's beyond sad the extremes people will go to the dismiss this President. They can't even take this moment to rejoice as Americans..

because it was pretty shitty the things they were saying.. all before I even had a chance to get partsian, it was already out there, attacking me whereever  I read the comment sections.. but, I didn't jump in, I came here and vented on the assholes and said they were sad for not being Americans for one day.. and logged off for about 9 hrs to let it all calm down

funny, you should have agreed with that post since that seems to be your exact complaint with me.. but nope, you went all lil mike and started calling us all out shit.. so got anything else of that hyper-uber-super-duper-extreme partsian you've attached to me?

Your argument was, that you didn't get "partisan" until I did.  Now, it's you didn't get partisan until some people on a Hannity forum did?

I guess that's the thing.  When I heard about UBL's death, my first instinct wasn't to check out comments at Think Progress or Democratic Underground, or check and see what Michael Moore's take was on it was (and good thing to, considering what his comments turned out to be).  I was interested in the actual story, in how he was taken down, the mission, the intelligence background of how they found him after all these years...

And of course to celebrate a really great victory in the global war on terror (can we call it that again or is it still "man caused disasters?").

I felt like chanting USA USA!

So no, my first instinct wasn't to scour the web in order to find jerky comments from political opponents that showed they care more about partisanship than a real victory for our country.

I just had to come here to find that.

my argument has not changed, it has remained that that I wasn't partsian in that post you copied.. , I didn't get that way until you accused me of being partsian all day long.. I had done nothing all day long except throw out some congrats,throw out a quote, thrown some love to HRC, Re-enacted a phone call, and said release the photo.. then you and your witch hunt came along looking to be a dick to anyone and everyone who even mention Obama..

Not that you have any credibility in this, you lost that over in the Libya thread by accusing me there of being suspicious and unbelievable all so you didn't have to admit you made a reading errors.. and here, since you are the one who considers one post at 744am and another 8hrs later at 455pm a "full day of hyperpartisan frenzy"  you have no standing either..

But, we'll give it the old college try again anyway.. so let's try it this way..

Me:Bob said it's cold.. I can't believe Bob's cold.. it's 107 outside, how is the hell is he cold..

you:so, you're saying that you're cold.

uh no, me telling you what Bob told me, isn't me being anything. It's me telling you what Bob told me.

I'm fully comfortable with what I wrote. It wasn't partisan at all, and the idea that you guys copied my post from the muche over here as an example of partisanship  shows to me how disconnected you and Howey are from... sheesh just having a normal conversation. 

The thing is though, you didn't reveal yourself just to me, but to everyone else on this board who isn't so wrapped up in the hyperpartisanship that you are.  Words do mean something so I'm happy to have this thread as a testament to your single mindedness.

Here's what I said:


And I've admitted that was a partisan comment. A well-deserved comment in that my prediction was (again) spot-on!

It's proof positive that there are a small number of people out there who will not, can not, and will never give the President credit for anything...even the most significant foreign policy accomplishment of the past ten years.

To this day, over a week later, where are the accolades from this group praising the President for a treasure trove of intelligence gained from the raid?

Nowhere. They're too busy saying now that the President really, really didn't want to kill Osama.  ::)

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201105030018

yes, yes .. of course.  anything you say Mike, anything you say.