Osama Bin Dead

[Howey]

Oh! The perfect idea for the Official Republican Party Sacrificial Lamb of 2012.



DICK CHENEY

[lil mike]

Perhaps we knew your guys would be crawling out of the woodwork praising Dubya for his tight work.

It just seemed weird to me that protecting Obama was your first reaction.  I didn't mention Dubya, and if I didn't, no one on this board would.  And your reply is a prefect example of this.

Honestly, you really only see this as a political opportunity for Obama don't you?  There really is no other meaning to you.

Facinating.

That would be an amazing feat, even for Dubya. Especially since the compound wasn't even built until 2005.

?  I never said he was tracked to the compound before it was built.

As far as you mimicking Cheney on the torture stuff, not really...

Someday, somehow, somewhere, you guys will give up the Bush/Cheney praise and realize what a complete fraud they were.

Besides this email copied from your Kos blog, where are you getting this that they got the information in 05 or 06?  What information, the name or the nickname? That seems to come from thin air.  Remember they got the nickname from the interrogations, and then later connected that to an actual name. You might as well have quoted yourself for all of the accuracy you've provided.

http://www.startribune.com/nation/121089124.html

Officials: CIA interrogators at secret prisons developed first strands that led to bin Laden


WASHINGTON - Officials say CIA interrogators in secret overseas prisons developed the first strands of information that ultimately led to the killing of Osama bin Laden.

Current and former U.S. officials say that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, provided the nom de guerre of one of bin Laden's most trusted aides. The CIA got similar information from Mohammed's successor, Abu Faraj al-Libi. Both were subjected to harsh interrogation tactics inside CIA prisons in Poland and Romania.

The news is sure to reignite debate over whether the now-closed interrogation and detention program was successful. Former president George W. Bush authorized the CIA to use the harshest interrogation tactics in U.S. history. President Barack Obama closed the prison system.



Even MSNBC is confirming this.  I'm watching Hardball now. 

[betteroffhere]

the newest front runner in the 2011 worst use of four square...and possible worst use ever...

bin laden....

[Howey]

Even MSNBC is confirming this.  I'm watching Hardball now. 

So was I and didn't hear a word...

Even Rummy and Newsmax say waterboarding wasn't the answer.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/DonaldRumsfeld-gitmo-waterboarding-osamabinladen/2011/05/02/id/394820?s=al&promo_code=C30F-1

“The United States Department of Defense did not do waterboarding for interrogation purposes to anyone. It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance. But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.”

[ekg]

It just seemed weird to me that protecting Obama was your first reaction.  I didn't mention Dubya, and if I didn't, no one on this board would.  And your reply is a prefect example of this.

Honestly, you really only see this as a political opportunity for Obama don't you?  There really is no other meaning to you.

Facinating.

?  I never said he was tracked to the compound before it was built.

Besides this email copied from your Kos blog, where are you getting this that they got the information in 05 or 06?  What information, the name or the nickname? That seems to come from thin air.  Remember they got the nickname from the interrogations, and then later connected that to an actual name. You might as well have quoted yourself for all of the accuracy you've provided.

http://www.startribune.com/nation/121089124.html

Officials: CIA interrogators at secret prisons developed first strands that led to bin Laden


WASHINGTON - Officials say CIA interrogators in secret overseas prisons developed the first strands of information that ultimately led to the killing of Osama bin Laden.

Current and former U.S. officials say that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, provided the nom de guerre of one of bin Laden's most trusted aides. The CIA got similar information from Mohammed's successor, Abu Faraj al-Libi. Both were subjected to harsh interrogation tactics inside CIA prisons in Poland and Romania.

The news is sure to reignite debate over whether the now-closed interrogation and detention program was successful. Former president George W. Bush authorized the CIA to use the harshest interrogation tactics in U.S. history. President Barack Obama closed the prison system.



Even MSNBC is confirming this.  I'm watching Hardball now. 

uh, not so fast quick-draw



The revelation that intelligence gleaned from the CIA's so-called black sites helped kill bin Laden was seen as vindication for many intelligence officials who have been repeatedly investigated and criticized for their involvement in a program that involved the harshest interrogation methods in U.S. history.

"We got beat up for it, but those efforts led to this great day," said Marty Martin, a retired CIA officer who for years led the hunt for bin Laden.

Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic..

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=13512344


as for 'protecting Obama'.. check the post time... I posted at 7:44 this AM and you guys were already claiming GWB V-Day and that Obama had nothing to do with it.. that is, if he was even telling the truth. I was happy to make this an 'all American day' until your party decided once again, to shit on anything good this President tries and succeeds  in..


BTW, your suck up to Bush post on muche pretty much proved that this whole thing didn't mean anything other than another Bush blow job from you,.. so please, get off the horse already..

but hey, you did atleast give Obama some credit after all that smark.. so that's something..

[JukeBoxGuy]

So, great decision, great operation, and a great day for our country.

UBL has been an itch in the back of my head since 9/11.  It was constant unfinished business, and the way that it was finally finished, was just so satisfying to me... to me this is a big moment in and of itself.

I heartily agree with Lil Mike!  Words cannot truly express my admiration for the brave men that participated in this mission.  The fact that there were no US casualties, despite the loss of one of our helicopters, is amazing.

That being said, I was dismayed while listening to the Love Doctors on WPB Real Radio today.  As you may know, that show is an open forum with un-screened calls.  For hours there was a steady stream of Obama-haters and conspiracy nuts.  Their message was mostly the same.  The president is a socialist and a Muslim!  The claim of OBL's death must be a hoax designed to boost Obama's popularity!  Most of these callers refused to stay on the line to discuss the subject.  Those that did all had a similar argument:  a)Obama=Bad, b)OBL dead=Good.  Since "a" is absolute, "b" must be false.  To me, this is an insult to our troops and I hope none of the men who risked their lives in this operation were listening to the show online (The Docs often read emails from our troops).

[uselesslegs]

I don't see it as protecting Obama, but merely pointing out hypocrisy and double standards.  "he's soft on terrorism...BUT...he's killing to many terrorists.  He stands in the way of business...BUT...bows to wall street and has given more breaks and incentives to business than in recent history."  There's this weird overt theme that isn't shy about trying to neuter him at every turn.  

"People bashed Bush."  Did they question his nationality?  Did they see a secret terrorist?  Did they question his chosen religion?  Did they praise him despite political affiliation when he deserved it, without condistions?  There's a difference between being pissed off as hell at policy choices and directing that at the person who made them...and being scared shit-less, of the person, based on fabrication and lies.  I'll be the first to admit, you root for the home team.  You tend to see the positives before the negatives and throw an extra bump here and there.  But I've never been shy about calling out our Presidents short comings or policy decisions...that were in my opinion flawed or lacked "oomph"...but jesus christ...the GOP couldn't throw obama a "good on ya" without a nut kick if they tried.

Fox wasted no time calling into question what the ops team "really" did and praising the military and Bush in the same breath...and sorta, kind...including the President...in an outcast kind of way.  I've watched it off and on all day.  While MSNBC may be on their knees sucking his praises, over at Fox it's all "Coat Tails" and "Johnny come lately."  It just gets really old and tiresome when disagreements trail not so subtly away from policy and keep going head long into character assassination to make a case.

[Howey]

So I'm laying here watching MSNBC and they just said that when KSM was asked about the courier's name he indicated he didn't know who the guy was and brushed it off.

That convinced the CIA he was important.

No waterboarding involved...

[ekg]

I don't see it as protecting Obama, but merely pointing out hypocrisy and double standards.  "he's soft on terrorism...BUT...he's killing to many terrorists.  He stands in the way of business...BUT...bows to wall street and has given more breaks and incentives to business than in recent history."  There's this weird overt theme that isn't shy about trying to neuter him at every turn.  

"People bashed Bush."  Did they question his nationality?  Did they see a secret terrorist?  Did they question his chosen religion?  Did they praise him despite political affiliation when he deserved it, without condistions?  There's a difference between being pissed off as hell at policy choices and directing that at the person who made them...and being scared shit-less, of the person, based on fabrication and lies.  I'll be the first to admit, you root for the home team.  You tend to see the positives before the negatives and throw an extra bump here and there.  But I've never been shy about calling out our Presidents short comings or policy decisions...that were in my opinion flawed or lacked "oomph"...but jesus christ...the GOP couldn't throw obama a "good on ya" without a nut kick if they tried.

Fox wasted no time calling into question what the ops team "really" did and praising the military and Bush in the same breath...and sorta, kind...including the President...in an outcast kind of way.  I've watched it off and on all day.  While MSNBC may be on their knees sucking his praises, over at Fox it's all "Coat Tails" and "Johnny come lately."  It just gets really old and tiresome when disagreements trail not so subtly away from policy and keep going head long into character assassination to make a case.

exactly..

there can't be a 'good job yo!' with no strings attached?   Why can't it be about Obama? and The ballsy decision he made... Bush didn't make the decision to send spec forces into another country, covertly, on a damn good hunch, to see if the person they thought was in the compound, was really in the compound.  McCain didn't decide on sending helicopters and boots on the found instead of dropping a 2000lbs bomb on the place an obliterate it from existence.. Rummy didn't tell Bush to send in a predator and drop a few smaller missiles on the place.. No, Obama made a pretty big damn call and just by luck it worked.. we know from Viet Nam to Mogadishu that these things don't always turn out the way they are supposed to.. not too mention some times the person we think is there, isn't..

Let's not forget Bush stopped looking for OBL in 2004-05.. which is about the same time OBL built this place and comfortably moved in and lived for the last 6 years..

nor let's forget it was Obama who ordered the CIA to start back up it's mission to find OBL at all costs..

and if these people 'really' cared and are just thanking 'everyone' who was involved.. then where is their thanks to Bill Clinotn?  That's right, this whole hunt started with him..   Even Dick Cheney says that. .. so where is the "Thanks Bill"

It simply amazes me that Bush can't be blamed for 9/11 because he was only president for 9 months.. but 2 1/2 years since he's been out of office, he gets credit for this..  well fine, if Bush's terror polices are still reverberating to the point where he gets the credit for this capture, then his economic polices are still reverberating and fucking things up today. If Obama can't get the majority, if not, sole credit for the OBL kill and those in the GOP must give Bush the lion's share.. then Obama must not be blamed for anything he's done to the economy either and the lion's share of that crisis can also go to their dear leader Bush.

can't have it both ways.. If GWB's polices, which haven't been changed, can't be blamed for the economic crisis since Obama has made his own changes and additions... well then Bush's national security polices, which haven't been changed much, can't be credited to Bush since Obama has made his own changes and additions..

[ekg]

So I'm laying here watching MSNBC and they just said that when KSM was asked about the courier's name he indicated he didn't know who the guy was and brushed it off.

That convinced the CIA he was important.

No waterboarding involved...

Yeah, I heard something similar last night, that among many other things that proved false, he gave up a 'nickname' of the guy but had no other info on him.. another guy, a few years later mentioned that same nickname and they got a 'hunch' to start trying to find this guy.. which they did, on accident, it just went from there..


by no means should this be taken as if I don't have mad respect for the intel guys who followed and linked it all together.. I think that's just bad-ass.. but it doesn't look like KSM  needed to be tortured to give up this nickname...

I watched Hannity last night and he asked every 'guest' the same cpl questions..in essence  "Don't you think Bush's intense interrogation policy is now vindicated" and "Should Obama have buried this guy? Was he too PC?"

1st.. he was like a dude with a hard-on waiting for his 'money shot' to finish his jerk session too.. he started with Giuliani, who did give him a rub here and there on his answers.. But then he asked Tommy Franks, Franks would only say that RE the torture, (not that America should ever torture anyone) That the president needs to be able to make the decision on it and then be held accountable for his decision.. (side note, halleluiah, That's been my position all along and I'm happy I share it with Tommy Franks! No! we don't torture as a policy, but in a Jack Bauer scenario, do what you have to do and stand behind it, out in the open, and don't hide behind some bullshit lawyer's free-pass. If you're going to use it, be ready to stand up and defend that use.. we'll back you up if the scenario was that drastic..But pull out your dick and piss on us while we're watching and then try to tell us it's really raining? well fuck you, now you're gonna get called on it)... anyway, Franks then answered that he was satisfied that OBL was buried at sea.. end of story and Hannity moved on to his 'panel of Americans' and that's when he got his money shot and not only could you see it building up in him, the need to have someone, anyone validate his accusations... but you could hear it when it happened..

yes, the father and sister of 9/11 victims don't approve of Obama and they gave Hannity everything he wanted and then some.. it was the creepiest thing I'd ever seen.. watching him try to get that bait taken, but not being able to get an actual nibble.. and the finally, he hooked a big ones... family members of 9/11 victims.. and my oh my, was he satisfied to get that pump-job out of the way..


my question is.. why?  Why in the hell is there this need to still shit on this president, to take him down a peg, to question him and force him to take sole credit for a crisis and then take away credit for an accomplishment? Why this compulsion to say "Oh I think he deserves credit BUT...." why the need for the "BUT"?  How about a Thank you, and move on?

[Howey]

"Should Obama have buried this guy? Was he too PC?"

Why can't we be civilized? Why not show respect to a fallen enemy and provide him a burial fitting his religion? Not like it's ever been done before?

Why give more fuel to the fire of a bunch of crazy people who are intent on revenge already? Why drag bin Laden's body through the streets and piss off every Muslim in the world?

yes, the father and sister of 9/11 victims don't approve of Obama and they gave Hannity everything he wanted and then some.. it was the creepiest thing I'd ever seen.. watching him try to get that bait taken, but not being able to get an actual nibble.. and the finally, he hooked a big ones... family members of 9/11 victims.. and my oh my, was he satisfied to get that pump-job out of the way..

Do we know for sure they were family members of a victim? Or were they merely identified as such? Even if they were, it's the same as the teabaggers/medicare, teachers/anti-unions, and so on...there's crazies everywhere out there wanting to get their 15 minutes of fame.

my question is.. why?  Why in the hell is there this need to still shit on this president, to take him down a peg, to question him and force him to take sole credit for a crisis and then take away credit for an accomplishment? Why this compulsion to say "Oh I think he deserves credit BUT...." why the need for the "BUT"?  How about a Thank you, and move on?

Because he's black!

[44nutman]

The death of UBL/OBL(dude is entering Qadaffi terrority with multiple spellings, which is another reasons the muslims are evil. We can't seem to agree on how to spell their names.) is an example of what is wrong with our country. This is a historic moment in our nation, we killed the asshole that masterminded the downing of our towers. We celebrated for about 1 hour before the right tried to give credit to Bush. Bush deserves some credit because it was a 10 year process to get this asshole but Bush deserves a small amount of praise. A majority of praise should go to the military and Obama for having balls for ordering this mission in another country whom are supposed to be our allies. If this went wrong, (ala Carter and Iran) then Obama would have deservedly gotten all the heat.

I was watching Fox and Friends this morning because they had Brennan on, and the first thing the Fembot Gretchen asked is "Bush should get credit for this raid." Brennan was too smart for that shit and basically shut her down and made her look like a hack. She did not say another word and did not even tell him good bye, when he left. Douchey looked sad all day today. They were trying to get Brennan to say all the information came from Bush waterboardings and once again he shut that shit down. Brennan was basically saying a lot of people contributed over the last 10 years and many people are responsible which is correct.

I guess what is making those on the left angry is the attempt to underplay Obamas role in all this and throw their laurels at Bush's feet.
It would be like if I hooked up with Jessica Alba and everyone wanted to give credit to my buddy that set us up. Yes without him the hook up would not have taken place, but I closed the deal and deserve a majority of credit.

[Howey]

You do know why, don't you?

They could trot out Jesus to run against Obama next year and end up with a landslide loss! Last time around, McCain was the sacrificial lamb, who will it be in 2012?

Check out Drudge...every other post is about how Obama's popularity isn't gaining because of this. They're so scared they've already lost next years election they can't give him credit.

[ekg]

"People bashed Bush."  Did they question his nationality?  Did they see a secret terrorist?  Did they question his chosen religion?  Did they praise him despite political affiliation when he deserved it, without condistions?  There's a difference between being pissed off as hell at policy choices and directing that at the person who made them...and being scared shit-less, of the person, based on fabrication and lies.  I'll be the first to admit, you root for the home team.  You tend to see the positives before the negatives and throw an extra bump here and there.  But I've never been shy about calling out our Presidents short comings or policy decisions...that were in my opinion flawed or lacked "oomph"...but jesus christ...the GOP couldn't throw obama a "good on ya" without a nut kick if they tried.

 

I've been trying to come up with a list.. I can't remember them all, but these are some of the 'major' complaints about just how 'evil' Obama is.. proof, if you will, as to just how anti-amercan he is..

-He wasn't born here...he's African dude!
-He's not Christian... he's terrorist Muslim
-He tried to get the Olympics.. only a commie-bastard would do that.[/li][/list]
-He got the Nobel Peace Prize.. just like some Euro-snob-elitist (aka,socialist)
-He uses a teleprompter.. Only someone with something to hide does that
-He bowed to another leader.... what a pussy, doesn't he know  you're supposed to kiss them and hold their hand?
-He uses things called 'Czars' for I guess the 1st time in history.nevermind it's just a nickname given by reporters so they can remember who is who, nevermind it's been around for a decade or two, Obama's 'Czars' prove he's a commie-socialist dictator hellbent on changing this country into something unrecognizable..
-He dares to address school children.. OMG he's indoctrinating, he is really going to brainwash our children.. let's keep them out of school!! which he will then turn into...
-His own version of the SS..
-He has a deep seeded hate for white people!



UH.. three words.. "Terrorist fist-bumb"

The end.

That is what Obama's dealt with.. these scathing attacks.. thrown for a single reason.. to make him 'not one of us'..

it's kinda sad to see them in list format isn't it?

[Howey]

Huh. I'm sitting here reading this on Drudge, no link, no source, no nothing. And then hear that the WH says they haven't decided to release the death photo and don't know where the internet rumors are coming from.