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Seriously, have you been evaluated for aspergers?
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Quote from: clc on March 19, 2011, 08:02:42 pm
Seriously, have you been evaluated for aspergers?
I think you're onto something. I never think of myself as having a condition but I can't argue with the similarities except for the clumsiness. I noticed in the phone bit, my look and breathing in one part is abnormal. When I got sent to the psychiatrist in high school he said that there was nothing wrong. A Dale Carnegie teacher told me that I was brilliant but that still doesn't mean I don't have that. Years ago when Molly pronounced me schizo I was surprised but I see what you're saying now. It's one thing to be a little outside the box and quite another to be the way I am. I can't stand the thought hardly of having a certifiable illness but if the glove fits...
eta:Someone just asked the mom in the last week if I had ever been evaled for this. In the mouth of two or three witnesses. A few weeks ago I got hired for custodial by the man who sent me for the tb test at a school district but managed to say the wrong thing that the HR person heard and once again screwed up. She say's that I'm still in the pile for a permanent pos when that comes open but I got the picture now.
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Huh. I thought she was talking to me.
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BOO!
If Rick Scott and Scott Walker had a baby, would it be named Satan?
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Quote from: Howey on March 17, 2011, 12:18:47 pm
RIF. I'll let you find it.
I'm guessing you are betting that I actually won't go back and try to find "it", and this time you are correct. The down and dirty is that you were dupped by that story, posted it, and are now trying to backtrack and act like you really knew all along that it was a fraudulent story on Scott, because (my theory), you would rather be thought of as lying than being fooled.
In this case, can't both apply? Sheesh, just admit you got dupped. It's no big deal, unlike your insistence that you knew all along Scott wasn't involved and tried to plant a phoney story blaming him for toll booth hijinks.
As far as the Solantic story, maybe I'm missing something, but what is the issue? I'm not following what the crime is.
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Quote from: lil mike on March 20, 2011, 07:14:41 pm
I'm guessing you are betting that I actually won't go back and try to find "it", and this time you are correct. The down and dirty is that you were dupped by that story, posted it, and are now trying to backtrack and act like you really knew all along that it was a fraudulent story on Scott
Didn't I already direct you to this (twice)?
Quote from: Howey on March 13, 2011, 10:47:59 am
We all, here and elsewhere, fell for this as a real news story as opposed to a manufactured conspiracy theory by the crazy right wingers who pray before Alex Jones and WND. Me, not so much, since I took the time to investigate the video the first day I saw it elsewhere. That's why I posted it here.
This statement could have caused some confusion and I apologize:
Quote from: Howey on March 13, 2011, 10:47:59 am
I knew all along it wasn't Scott's policy since the video was from 2008.
So let me break down the chain of events.
I saw the video elsewhere, and posted it here, thinking it was strange the source* would be dissing what had to be a policy of a republican appointee.
An hour or so after posting it, I started wondering why there was no source, so I did a google search and found it was all the rage of the extreme right wing.
Looking further, I found the video had been around for four or five years; making me wonder even more why the extreme right brought it up again....
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Quote from: Howey on March 20, 2011, 07:29:36 pm
Didn't I already direct you to this (twice)?
This statement could have caused some confusion and I apologize:
So let me break down the chain of events.
I saw the video elsewhere, and posted it here, thinking it was strange the source* would be dissing what had to be a policy of a republican appointee.
An hour or so after posting it, I started wondering why there was no source, so I did a google search and found it was all the rage of the extreme right wing.
Looking further, I found the video had been around for four or five years; making me wonder even more why the extreme right brought it up again....
So can you admit this has nothing to do with Rick Scott?
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Quote from: FooFa on March 18, 2011, 11:49:48 pm
Fair enough and I realized when I looked at the debka article that they are extremely anti Obama. I must however disagree that any major American source is trustworthy and real media. Reason being, they present everything with the presupposition that our foreign policy is right. Sure, they pay a little lip service to questioning it but surely you don't need reminded of the hose job all of them did leading up to the war in Iraq. I trust all of these more than any major American outlet:
http://www.therealnews.com/t2/
http://english.aljazeera.net/
http://www.freespeech.org/videos-demand
http://www.mcclatchy.com/
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=SourceWatch
They are pretty liberal-slanted aren't they?
I don't think any media is the 'end all be all'.. and those highlighted on your list are pretty good sources... My list was just the commonly used ones that are acceptable because they don't use bogus sources or fall prey to the same crap other, lessor, sites do.. and that was what my point was... the difference between real sources and WND...
I left off my list cnn.. I find them to be a good place to get news. Drudge, he's extreme in his slant, but still a good place to get 'part' of the news as long as go look up the other side on your own after finding it on his site..
there are many places to get news.. some are better than others.. WND happenes to be one the 'not so good' ones.. I find them and
http://www.cnsnews.com/
.. to be far too apt to promote the /extremely biased/false/conspiratorial/'gossip as fact' story more than some of the bigger names....
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Quote from: lil mike on March 20, 2011, 07:14:41 pm
As far as the Solantic story, maybe I'm missing something, but what is the issue? I'm not following what the crime is.
The crime is that he was elected. Now he's going to recoup the billions he spent to sucker the citizens of Floriduh:
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Republican governor Rick Scott's push to privatize Medicaid in Florida is highly controversial—not least because the health care business Scott handed over to his wife when he took office could reap a major profit if the legislation becomes law.
Scott and Florida Republicans are currently trying to enact a sweeping Medicaid reform bill that would give HMOs and other private health care companies unprecedented control over the government health care program for the poor. Among the companies that stand to benefit from the bill is Solantic, a chain of urgent-care clinics aimed at providing emergency services to walk-in customers. The Florida governor founded Solantic in 2001, only a few years after he resigned as the CEO of hospital giant Columbia/HCA amid a massive Medicare fraud scandal. In January, according to the Palm Beach Post, he transferred his $62 million stake in Solantic to his wife, Ann Scott, a homemaker involved in various charitable organizations
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Florida Democrats and independent legal experts say this handover hardly absolves Scott of a major conflict of interest. As part of a federally approved pilot program that began in 2005, certain Medicaid patients in Florida were allowed to start using their Medicaid dollars at private clinics like Solantic.
The Medicaid bill that Scott is now pushing would expand the pilot privatization program to the entire state of Florida, offering Solantic a huge new business opportunity
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"This is a conflict of interest that raises a serious ethical issue," says Marc Rodwin, a medical ethics professor at Suffolk University Law School in Boston. "The public should be thinking and worrying about this.
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With Scott's blessing, the Florida statehouse is currently hammering out the final details of the Medicaid bill, with a vote expected in the upcoming weeks.
In the meantime, Scott has moved forward on another front that could also bring new business to Solantic. On Tuesday, he signed an executive order requiring random drug testing of many state employees and applicants for state jobs. He's also urged state legislators to pass a similar bill that would require drug testing of poor Floridians applying for welfare.
Among the services that Solantic offers: drug testing
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The crime is that he was elected. Now he's going to recoup the billions he spent to sucker the citizens of Floriduh:
I'm still trying to figure out the dark sinister conspiracy you are claiming about Solantic.
You do realize that medicaid isn't like the VA. There are no Medicaid hospitals that the poor are herded into. Medicaid patients see private providers who take Medicaid reimbursement. That includes urgent care facilities like Solantic.
Currently Solantic already accepts Medicare and the Sunshine State health plan, which is a Florida Medicaid vehicle. So Medicaid patients can already be seen at Solantic. But at Medicaid rates, so I'm not sure exactly how much money Scott's wife is raking in out of Medicaids coffers.
So what exactly do you want, do you want Solantic to be dropped from the medicaid program, so medicaid participants will have even less choice in providers? What is it that you think Scott is going to do to Medicaid that will benefit Solantic?
I mean honestly, not only am i not getting what the crime is, I don't even understand what sort of remedy you want.
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Quote from: lil mike on March 28, 2011, 05:35:51 pm
I'm still trying to figure out the dark sinister conspiracy you are claiming about Solantic.
You do realize that medicaid isn't like the VA. There are no Medicaid hospitals that the poor are herded into. Medicaid patients see private providers who take Medicaid reimbursement.
I know exactly what's going on. We've been over it time and time again on the muche and on my blog; you just seem to forget.
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In 2005, Jeb had the bright idea (not!) to be among the first to follow his brother George’s edict to make state Medicaid coverage over modeling it like (get this!) a health insurance company, complete with limits on coverage:
Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida and Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina, both Republicans, have proposed radical changes intended to inject market forces and competition into Medicaid. Under their proposals, the state would give Medicaid recipients a fixed amount of money to buy health care or private insurance.
Under Governor Bush’s proposal, Florida would contribute a fixed amount toward coverage for each Medicaid beneficiary. Patients could use the money to “opt out of Medicaid altogether and purchase health care insurance in the private market,” Mr. Bush said.
(Ironically, today Jeb is on the board of Tenet Healthcare, the same company required to repay the government over 900 million dollars in Medicare and Medicaid overpayments and is plagued by scandal after scandal.)
Even today, Jeb Bush’s failed Medicaid managed care decisions are affecting the State negatively:
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We’ve done the experiment. It has failed,” said Durell Peaden, the Senate’s health care budget chief. “The reports are unsettling. People couldn’t get to specialists, couldn’t get adequate care. And they couldn’t do it cheaply
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The Medicaid Reform Pilot program running in Broward County since 2006 has not improved or increased health care coverage, but has instead become a bureaucratic nightmare with lower costs because of reduced services. That was the consensus of speakers at a Tuesday evening workshop held in Hollywood and organized by Democratic state Rep. Elaine Schwartz. #
The Pilot created a managed-care approach in which Medicaid recipients must choose an HMO or other care-management organization to access services. According to Rep. Joe Gibbons, D-Pembroke Park, this is a business model, not a patient-care model. #
State Sen. Joe Negron, R-Palm City, has proposed a bill that would shift the bulk of Florida Medicaid patients into HMOs and other managed-care plans. #
The managed-care approach is precisely what Broward residents said has not worked at Tuesday’s workshop. #
“I am outraged that after five years Medicaid Reform has not improved care in Broward and we are talking about expansion statewide,” Dr. Alan Aaron Elkin, vice chairman of the OB/GYN department at Hollywood Memorial Hospital and chairman of the Broward County Medical Association, told participants. #
In a March 2010 letter to Cindy Mann, director of the Center for Medicaid and State Operations, Elkin wrote, “Since Medicaid Reform was implemented in Broward County in 2006, a large number of my Medicaid patients have experienced significantly greater difficulties in accessing timely and quality care, including pre-natal care for which timing is critical.”
As far as Scott's involvement, you don't see a conflict of interest? How many billions will he make if everyone on Medicaid goes to Managed Care? What if Solantic got an exclusive contract to see the MA patients?
I've said before Medicaid needs reform, but not this way. Let's try modernizing the claim process, making it less difficult for providers to get paid first. Then go from there...
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Quote from: Howey on March 28, 2011, 07:15:47 pm
I know exactly what's going on. We've been over it time and time again on the muche and on my blog; you just seem to forget.
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As far as Scott's involvement, you don't see a conflict of interest? How many billions will he make if everyone on Medicaid goes to Managed Care? What if Solantic got an exclusive contract to see the MA patients?
I've said before Medicaid needs reform, but not this way. Let's try modernizing the claim process, making it less difficult for providers to get paid first. Then go from there...
I didn't forget, I just still don't see your alternative to managing costs. Your only solution seems to be eliminate anything that was put in place to control costs. If you don't like them fine, but suggest something else.
As for the conflict of interest, you still won't spell it out. Solantic already accepts Medicaid patients.
Arguing what if's have nothing to do with any proposals to reform medicaid. You're grasping at straws, only without there actually being any straws to grasp.
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