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« on: January 27, 2012, 08:11:11 pm »

Well, it's not *natural*.  It's neither neutral nor benign on it's own.  It is what we decide it is.  If we decide commerce will benefit few, at the expense of many...that's what it is.  If we decide commerce is more beneficial to society at large...that's what it is.  It's not naturalistic.  If it were, the lions would be starving right now, because their gluttony depleted their resources, yet they can operate outside of capitalism using a specific form of engineered commerce, outside of the *environment*, and are doing pretty fucking good.  They can do this, because our commerce allows and rewards them to get more, for less, regardless of the cost at home.  Now we're pretending we're going to re-engineer other elements within capitalism to try and mop up the mess, but in reality, it's a parlor trick and they'll drag this conversation out until doomsday and won't address anything until they absolutely have too.  I mean why would they? Some people are making incredible fucking fortunes

They take their work abroad, pay little, reap much but their homeland suffers.  This is not seen as a deficit, but rather astute business acumen.  This is not seen as counter productive to the homelands stability, but rather as the obvious business choice.  It circumvents the touted theme of commerce/capitalism, which always insists that it's good for everyone involved.  Our current reality suggests otherwise, and a more accurate description might be, "it's good for some, a crap shoot for everyone else."  Life has no guarantees, this is true...but a concept is what we decide it is...no more, no less.  If you make it more gamble oriented, that's what it is.  If you make it more oriented towards societal benefits, that's what it is.  It doesn't move in any direction, other than the direction we steer it.  This is true the world over.  Otherwise, there wouldn't be other countries free of our predicaments. They chose the path their commerce would take, they are not stagnate nor closed off and they chose not to chase King Solomon's wealth for an unstable society.

And actually, by the end of movie number two, Kirk was already giving the finger to Spock's comment, because you know that muther f'er was already plotting for his own desires.

Well that does seem to confirm that you do regard the market as chaos rather than a system.

So... how would you like society organized, at least as far as economics goes, if not one based on a free market driven by the profit motive?

Maybe it's a lack of imagination on my part, but the alternatives that have actually been tried have not worked out so well.  So getting past what you are against, what are you for?
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