Message #20049

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I think Pelosi could have gotten it thru... Remember, we had the 60 votes after Franken was finally called 'victor' and before Ted died.. I think 'medicare for all' could have passed if it was agreed that it wouldn't start until say 2012.. and since this was in 2009, that would have given plenty of time to get all the bugs out and hype it up..

I just think Obama bungled this whole thing from jump street. It's never really been him out there fighting for it, it's been us doing all the work... he started off giving in to what he assumed the GOP would want because as Chuck said he really is a moderate and he's scared to death of being labeled anything but a moderate...what he never banked on was the hatred and crazy coming out of the Right. He never expected the tea party, the birthers and the lunacy that surrounds everything he either does or tries to do..

we knew what was coming for him.. but he, being a moderate, just didn't expect it.. or believe it.. He should have listened more to Rahm and less to Michelle.. We all know he wants to be the guy who brings the country together, but he doesn't get that he'll never be allowed to be that guy. Wall street is making double what they made under Bush, hell the Dow closed at a history making high yesterday.. Obama's killed every enemy he's gone up against including the one we supposedly went to (2)war(s) over.. what more is there for Republicans to get behind in a president? He expanded gun right more than any other president when he opened Nat'l parks to gun holders.. .. so you've got a money making,terrorist-killing,drone using,gun rights president and they still fucking hate him.. 

But he could have passed a medicare for all, I'm sure of it..in that time just before Teddy died.. and before Scott Brown was elected..  I think Pelosi and Reed  could have gotten it for him if he'd only been 'GWB' obstinate enough to go for it.. the 'outcry' from the Right would have been the same if it had happened that way, the outcome though would have been medicare for all instead of what we have now, ppl like us in Fl with our GOP gov.. fucking our obamacare up and costing us money because they hate the guy who's done more for their 'platform' than their own candidates since Regan..