Obama's Job Plan vs. the GOP Job Plan

[Howey]

Ya know...if this wasn't true, it would be funny as hell.

[betteroffhere]

ha

cutting payroll taxes equals less money coming into the government...hmmm

roadway and bridges...government paying out tax dollars the will be collecting less of...ut oh...thats right....those gas taxes won't be reduced and thats where the money comes for roadways and bridges...right...along with the taxes on roadway use by businessess

extended unemployment...does that create jobs ?

help prevent lose of state workers ?...thats not private sector jobs again...hmmm

tax breaks for business again...

so...he'll create jobs how...by reducing the government income and giving businessess more incentives to save on taxes...

i don't get it !!!

[Howey]

i don't get it !!!

Yup

[ekg]

I was watching the debate and saw Perry get asked something about Obama's plan to cut some taxes for whatever in his job plan and Wolf asked Perry if he agreed.. Perry said he most certainly did not because this president just didn't have clue, what needs to be done is we need tax cuts to help the economy grow..

I just looked at the tv like that RCA dog for awhile and then shook my head and heard Job Stewarts 'OMG RICK PERRY IS GOING TO BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT'  segment glaring in my head..

[betteroffhere]

Yup

so...where are you ?

i have no idea where i am...

this plan you think is good ?

you think it creates private sector jobs, who, are the ones who employ the worker ?

producing revenue for the government in the form of taxes collected...right

but the government is giving a break to those who are already emplyeed and for the new hire's

does this tax break savings also benefit the government employee ?...

does the government in and of its self get to save money from itself....wait...

i mean...does the government also get to share in the savings of payroll money..as in

keep the distribution of funds from transferring to another agency/department/ other pocket ?

it doesn't look like much of a plan that i could see pulling us out of anywhere...

i try to pay as little attention to the artist...cause if you truely listen...

the double talk language manipulation becomes intolerable...


roadway and bridge issue are DOT...and should be already maintained...wtf

i guess they haven't been and could use it now...ha...yikes

nothing about the border...nothing about manufacturing...

we are so fucked till deep into 2012...

jobs bill...ha...


i swear to god...or the DNA...

we are on a revolving people mover treadmill thing going in a giant circle...

with a buffet table that never ends...eachtime we come around we see the next meal's serving,

starring at us as we slowly pass by...only to gaze upon the next tray

with its delights...til we find ouself back around to do it again...

plates always full....bellies always full...our chairs pulling double duty...doh

yes...i said double duty...bet jb laughed...hi jb...

what i meant was triple duty...

you get your drinks delivered from the interior section...and you can store them in your

tank behind the seat...it is also refrigerated at 35 degrees and holds up to a six pack

of cans...or nine bottles...if like hiney's...

hey now !!!

[uselesslegs]

A Goods based economy requires people who can purchase the goods.  If they can't, then the economy suffers.  It's very simple.  

The actual problem that would arise by giving small business and the middle class some of these breaks would be those at the Corp end of the spectrum having a very difficult time explaining why their tax breaks, credits, and incentives aren't creating jobs...and the same advantages actually would/do create jobs at the other end.  It fucks up the rhetoric.  Reality isn't impossible to ignore, people do it quite often, but in our current climate...you'd be hard pressed to dance around the results.

It's becomes quite apparent when one bothers to look under the surface and brush all the fluff aside.  Corps., banks, and wall street spends time engaging in investments that become (and are) cyclical in nature. It benefits few, extracts wealth, but little of the extraction flows back into the general economy.  There is an unlimited extraction taking place in a finite environment.

A perfect example is Exxon posting a 10.5 billion dollar quarterly profit...and using literally HALF of that profit to buy their own shares of stock.  Exxon and share holders saw their returns rise...but it did little to stimulate the economy.  There is no law against this...but the result is false.  The free market didn't dictate the rise of Exxon's shares, Exxon did.  Not through innovation, creativity, or public enthusiasm. No significant jobs were created and no significant stimulation to the general economy occurred.  

There are no interconnected cog wheels here.  These are enterprises engaging in a free for all that aren't reliant on the economy where they're based, to make a profit or be viable...WHILE...they use our resources to do so.  Nor are they compelled in any way, to participate in the economy.  Something is inherently wrong with that.

[betteroffhere]

because it is global...

we have transended worlds...we have covered the globe

it is no longer just us...and maybe just maybe it has never been...

about just us...we were sold that image...and sold it well

and i'm so trying not to point to d n a....i swear

but...

the new world oder started a long damn time ago...

i feel like it is the public thats just now waking up to the understanding !!

and wrestling with its impact...and if you have been paying attention...

you'd notive it happening everywhere around the globe and has been...

moving in this direction fo quite sometime now !

peace !!!

[uselesslegs]

because it is global...

we have transended worlds...we have covered the globe

it is no longer just us...and maybe just maybe it has never been...

about just us...we were sold that image...and sold it well

and i'm so trying not to point to d n a....i swear

but...

the new world oder started a long damn time ago...

i feel like it is the public thats just now waking up to the understanding !!

and wrestling with its impact...and if you have been paying attention...

you'd notive it happening everywhere around the globe and has been...

moving in this direction fo quite sometime now !

peace !!!

Trending towards global, in a super sonic mass communications age, I would tend to agree...

...BUT, it does not and should not mean "To The Exclusion Of"...as our citizens and economy are (and have been) treated too.

We're wrecking our economy unnecessarily through weak import and export policy (though corps and wall street would hotly contest that), through policy that doesn't adamantly insist on, "we buy yours, you buy ours", and through no policy that gives corps bigger tax burdens if they want to offshore the bulk of their labor.

Being global doesn't mean we should (or have to) fuck the majority of our citizens...and our economy.  You wanna offshore most of your employment?  Fine...but how does that help the economy here?  If it doesn't...why in the hell should we not tax the shit out of you?

[betteroffhere]

because...

well...

it is complicated to the tenth power...

you must take control from the inside out

can't do much from the outside...

the federal reserve is not american...but politely named to confuse us...

our montery system is out of our control...

they are the ones who rule...big bank...they exercise complete control and have for awhile

they don't need to knock us of the hill...they just remove the dirt until we collapse...

and thats about the time we'll notice a whole new hill has been built to be king of !!!

the great thing about being on the botton of the hill before it collapses...we don't get hurt as much !!!

[Howey]

so...where are you ?

i have no idea where i am...

this plan you think is good ?

you think it creates private sector jobs, who, are the ones who employ the worker ?

Do you think the government will build new schools, roads and bridges? Nah....private employers will.

does this tax break savings also benefit the government employee ?...

So I guess we can assume you've joined the "All government employees are scum" bandwagon, huh? Be sure to relay that message to the next soldier you meet on the street.

so...where are you ?

roadway and bridge issue are DOT...and should be already maintained...wtf

Of course! Yet in 2003 Dubya cut 27% of highway construction funds from the budget to pay for a couple of wars (in conjunction with the money he borrowed from China) and continued to rape highway and bridge construction funds for the remainder of his administration. He continued cutting the budget year after year, making thousands of roads and bridges across the country unsafe:

http://www.bts.gov/programs/geographic_information_services/maps/structurally_deficient_bridges_on_the_national_highway_system/entire_us/index.html

I love how Obama's newly found balls will help drive home this point:

President Obama will promote his jobs bill at a bridge important to House Speaker John Boehner’s (R-Ohio) district next week, the White House announced Thursday.

The White House said that Obama would visit the Brent Spence Bridge in Ohio on Sept. 22 in order to highlight the “urgent need” for infrastructure improvements, one of the ideas included in his bill.

Although the bridge is located very near Boehner’s district, Obama has not spoken to the Speaker since he gave his speech introducing the bill to a joint session of Congress last week, and White House press secretary Jay Carney did not know Thursday whether Boehner had been notified.

Carney said the bridge was chosen because it is “relatively easy to get to from Washington.”

The 48-year-old bridge, which spans the Ohio River between Ohio and Kentucky, has been under review by transportation officials in the two states for massive repair or replacement. The double-decker inter-state bridge has been described as “functionally obsolete.”

[betteroffhere]

Do you think the government will build new schools, roads and bridges? Nah....private employers will.

So I guess we can assume you've joined the "All government employees are scum" bandwagon, huh? Be sure to relay that message to the next soldier you meet on the street.

your first paragrah sentence there...

private sector will build...ha...you mean connected people will get the contracts to build the shit right ?...
so...the gov will be spending monies it already spends for that...just more now, as an effort to stimulate what ?

more money for the lobbyists pockets...bullshit is what that is...that bullshiot doesn't generate long term employement for anyone...
except for those with a vested interest !!!

2.) you can assume anything you want....but that is not what i said...way to try and twist it there...
i'm sure it works for zombies....but not me...nice try there !!!