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Title: Romney's Secret Video
Post by: Howey on September 17, 2012, 07:19:14 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XnB0NZzl5HA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H3vwuXMw7ac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P7i7zVRFKSA

It's an amazing insight into his complete disdain for the poor and middle class as well as underscoring his elitism, and most importantly, his will to lie at any cost.

Here's some quotes: (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser)

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There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.



Title: Re: Romney's Secret Video
Post by: uselesslegs on September 17, 2012, 08:27:19 pm
A good liner I heard today that applies...(concerning Mitt)

"He was born on third base and pats himself on the back for making it to home plate."


Title: Re: Romney's Secret Video
Post by: ekg on September 17, 2012, 08:56:02 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XnB0NZzl5HA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H3vwuXMw7ac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P7i7zVRFKSA

It's an amazing insight into his complete disdain for the poor and middle class as well as underscoring his elitism, and most importantly, his will to lie at any cost.

Here's some quotes: (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser)

[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.



I...!

wha..!

are you..!

*dumbfounded*


Title: Re: Romney's Secret Video
Post by: ekg on September 17, 2012, 09:01:26 pm
Talk about 'us v them'..

talk about how now there will be 47% of the people he will get to vote for him.. waging war on anyone who disagrees with Romney's comments.. talk about divisiveness..

talk about attacking your own base.. many many many of who are on some kind of gov't hand out.. but are now lumped in with poor,black,trashy-Obama voters..

talk about having no fucking clue about anything, while only paying 13% taxes (if that)..

he's not going to worry about 1/2 this fucking country? "those' people?

who believe they are entitled  to food?!?!  TO FOOD! FOOD is a goddamn entitlement?


*still..dumbfounded..*


Title: Re: Romney's Secret Video
Post by: Howey on September 17, 2012, 09:03:39 pm
What's dumbfounding there's people who agree with him.


Title: Re: Romney's Secret Video
Post by: Howey on September 18, 2012, 12:09:12 pm
I...!

wha..!

are you..!

*dumbfounded*

So are a lot of republicans.


Here's a good piece on why those 47% (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/17/romneys-theory-of-the-taker-class-and-why-it-matters/) don't pay taxes.

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Part of the reason so many Americans don't pay federal income taxes is that Republicans have passed a series of very large tax cuts that wiped out the income-tax liability for many Americans. That's why, when you look at graphs of the percent of Americans who don't pay income taxes, you see huge jumps after Ronald Reagan's 1986 tax reform and George W. Bush's 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. So whenever you hear that half of Americans don't pay federal income taxes, remember: Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush helped build that.


Title: Re: Romney's Secret Video
Post by: Howey on September 18, 2012, 12:12:20 pm
So are a lot of republicans.


Ouch. Even David Brooks!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/18/opinion/brooks-thurston-howell-romney.html?_r=1&ref=opinion
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Romney, who criticizes President Obama for dividing the nation, divided the nation into two groups: the makers and the moochers. Forty-seven percent of the country, he said, are people “who are dependent upon government, who believe they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to take care of them, who believe they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it.”

This comment suggests a few things. First, it suggests that he really doesn’t know much about the country he inhabits. Who are these freeloaders? Is it the Iraq war veteran who goes to the V.A.? Is it the student getting a loan to go to college? Is it the retiree on Social Security or Medicare?

It suggests that Romney doesn’t know much about the culture of America. Yes, the entitlement state has expanded, but America remains one of the hardest-working nations on earth. Americans work longer hours than just about anyone else. Americans believe in work more than almost any other people. Ninety-two percent say that hard work is the key to success, according to a 2009 Pew Research Survey.


Title: Re: Romney's Secret Video
Post by: reverend_darth on September 18, 2012, 01:35:25 pm
In his own crazy way a brilliant way to reiterate the beliefs of much of his tea bagging base.  A vote for Obama is a vote to keep redistributing the wealth from you hard working people to those lazy coloreds.


Title: Re: Romney's Secret Video
Post by: uselesslegs on September 18, 2012, 01:46:17 pm
"Mitt Romney continued and claimed that his "job is not to worry about those people" and that he will "never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." Mitt Romney's message about 47 percent of Americans not paying income taxes is misleading. While 47 percent of Americans pay no federal income taxes, they do pay taxes. The 47 percent pay sales tax, a payroll tax, a gas tax and in many cases, state and local taxes. According to a study by the Tax Policy Center, many of these Americans come from low-income families who don't make enough money at their job to pay federal income taxes. The 47 percent also includes seniors who rely only on their Social Security check and young Americans who are only working part-time to balance with their studies.

What is ironic about Romney's statement is that the majority of Americans who don't file for income taxes live in conservative states. According to the Tax Foundation, 9 out of the top 10 states with the highest percentage of Americans who don't file for income taxes are considered "red states." The remaining state, Florida, is a swing state that went overwhelmingly Republican in the 2010 midterms."

http://www.examiner.com/article/a-quick-guide-to-why-mitt-romney-s-47-percent-claim-is-misleading-and-wrong-1 (http://www.examiner.com/article/a-quick-guide-to-why-mitt-romney-s-47-percent-claim-is-misleading-and-wrong-1)


Title: Re: Romney's Secret Video
Post by: head of joaquin on September 18, 2012, 01:52:50 pm
It's clear Romney's brain is directly plugged into the rightwing noise machine.

Here are the real facts about who pays taxes and who is "entitled".  Needless to say, Romney got it backwards, sideways, forward and down.


http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3677


Title: Re: Romney's Secret Video
Post by: 44nutman on September 18, 2012, 02:08:29 pm
In his own crazy way a brilliant way to reiterate the beliefs of much of his tea bagging base.  A vote for Obama is a vote to keep redistributing the wealth from you hard working people to those lazy coloreds.
NO shit, he is definitely not getting their votes now. He may as well just double down on the TEa Tard logic.



My favorite part is how he said he did not want to over expose Ann Romney so people would not get annoyed with her. Spoken like a man who has been banging the same chick for 40 years.


Title: Re: Romney's Secret Video
Post by: uselesslegs on September 18, 2012, 02:39:29 pm
My favorite part is how he said he did not want to over expose Ann Romney so people would not get annoyed with her. Spoken like a man who has been banging the same chick for 40 years.

Ha! I thought the same thing. I also thought..."dam, someones not going to get any crotch attention for awhile."


Title: Re: Romney's Secret Video
Post by: reverend_darth on September 18, 2012, 03:57:59 pm
More of the tape.  Christ what a fucking tool.  Why doesn't he send his kids to work in that factory in China since it's so fucking great?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/17/mitt-romney-video_n_1829455.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/17/mitt-romney-video_n_1829455.html)


Title: Re: Romney's Secret Video
Post by: Howey on September 18, 2012, 04:14:35 pm
It's clear Romney's brain is directly plugged into the rightwing noise machine.

Here are the real facts about who pays taxes and who is "entitled".  Needless to say, Romney got it backwards, sideways, forward and down.


http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3677

In addition to alll the other groups who's votes he's lost (women, blacks, gays, youth, messicans, etc) we can now add the elderly who were actually dumb enough to believe all that teabagger logic that he wasn't the one touching their medicare.

So all he really has for a voting block now is rich white men and really, really stupid people.


Title: Re: Romney's Secret Video
Post by: 44nutman on September 18, 2012, 07:23:42 pm
(http://www.weknowthesecretsofthefederalreserve.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/why-cant-poor-people.jpg)

(http://i1116.photobucket.com/albums/k574/RetroKid360/roflbot2.jpg)


Title: Re: Romney's Secret Video
Post by: 44nutman on September 18, 2012, 07:37:07 pm
(http://imageshack.us/a/img845/9996/mittromney2.jpg)

(http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/memes/729355.jpg)



Lastly why this is the last nail in the Mittens coffin

(http://i.minus.com/jK7RhkXckMo9S.jpg)


Title: Re: Romney's Secret Video
Post by: 44nutman on September 18, 2012, 07:40:41 pm
last one

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s480x480/542134_349464788476323_1945787375_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Romney's Secret Video
Post by: reverend_darth on September 18, 2012, 08:37:34 pm
Seniors will vote for him because they're typically scarred about preserving income and benefits, more old school "religious", and I actually do understand.  They don't care what happens to Medicare and SS after they're gone as long as they keep theirs, and think Romney will help them do that.  They'll go down as the last, greatest set group in history because of fixed pensions and such that no longer exist in the real world.  Driving around the Villages partying in their golf carts.  Fuck their kids and grand kids.   God will take care of them.


Title: Re: Romney's Secret Video
Post by: ekg on September 19, 2012, 11:48:56 am
here's what's funny at this point..

all night I watched 'analysts' on some stations and Fox news itself.. trying to 'infer' what Romney was really saying in his 47% speech.. They were trying to make the case that even tho he said 47%, he didn't mean seniors.. or vets.. or people who work and don't make enough money... he meant those 3-7% that actually do mooch off the system. About the only talking head I saw challenge this kind of stupid was Anderson Cooper and he didn't challenge it each time it was said.. He would interrupt the 'spin-doctor' and say something like "But he said 47% of the country, I have his quote right here.. it's not out of context, I'm reading his exact words".. and still the spinner tried to make it into Romney was really meaning.._________ even tho he said..____________

now on the flip side.. as the did with Obama's "you didn't build that" quote that was taken completely out of context and then distorted to mean something other than what it actually did mean.. They've latched onto a quote from Obama saying he liked "redistribution" and have gone ape-shit over it since it proves he's a socialist.. Fox has cut and splice those words from Obama back in 98 and Romney is using it as a deflection when about his precise quote..

Of course what Obama said would be horrible.. if ya know, he'd have been as specific as not only saying "I like redistribution"..but meaning it a 'socialism' type way.. But unfortunately, he didn't say it in that context..
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"There has been a systematic – I don't think it's too strong to call it a propaganda campaign – against the possibility of government action and its efficacy," he is heard saying in the audio clip. "And I think some of it has been deserved."

Later in the recording, Obama says he wants to "resuscitate this notion that we're all in this thing together, leave nobody behind, we do have to be innovative in thinking how – what are the delivery systems that are actually effective and meet people where they live."

He continues: "I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution – because I actually believe in some redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot."

It's those final words – "I actually believe in some redistribution" – that Republicans have latched onto, characterizing them as an endorsement of redistributing wealth, rather than making sure government agencies were well supported. Many conservatives argue redistributing wealth is akin to socialism.

obviously, as with the 'you didn't build that' he was talking about 'redistribution' of what preceded that comment..ya know, gov't resources sharing their resources instead of each entity redundantly using the resources.. "sharing" them, becoming more effective and effect..

if you bend your head just right, stand on one leg with two fingers in the air..the words "I actually believe in some redistribution"  that Obama did actually use in a sentence.. means he's a socialist hellbent on destroying the country..

if you bend your head just right the other way, stand on the other leg with fours fingers in the air..the specific number of 47% that Romney talked about as being bums and leeches.. the totally in context words about  the 47% that didn't pay any taxes..really mean the 3-6% that don't work..

awesome!



can we do this in real life?


I'll start..  here are my words.. if Obama says this

bird,dog,tree,jeep,football,river..

of course that means to Fox news/GOP............ I fucked a bird in a tree then ran over a dog with my jeep after I threw the football into the river.. I mean, you saw it.. those words were typed right there!


Let's try it again..If Romney says..


All of the flowers opened towards  the sunlight after a long winter of dreary days...


of course that means to Fox news/GOP ........only marigolds kinda glanced in an easterly direction..sometime after those kinda chilly 4 months we had for awhile there..


awesome how that works..


Title: Re: Romney's Secret Video
Post by: reverend_darth on September 19, 2012, 01:57:05 pm
"Who are these freeloaders? Is it the Iraq war veteran who goes to the V.A.? Is it the student getting a loan to go to college? Is it the retiree on Social Security or Medicare? ... The people who receive the disproportionate share of government spending are not big-government lovers. They are Republicans. They are senior citizens. They are white men with high school degrees. " — David Brooks (conservative columnist), New York Times


Title: Re: Romney's Secret Video
Post by: uselesslegs on September 19, 2012, 02:02:07 pm
Stewart explained it about as good as anyone could have last night.  BUT, if you feel Stewart is a devout partisan hack...then you wouldn't believe a word he said regardless.  I've said this before, but that is the problem in this country...people run from a truth...to a media outlet that will pat them on the head and soothe that worried mind, like a mom blowing on a cut after she's applied some hydrogen peroxide.  "There, there...that's not so bad now is it?  Mommy will make it allllllll better."

Why the fuck should the truth make you uncomfortable or put you at odds with your reality, when all you have to do is turn that channel, log onto that website, pick up that newspaper...that's more than happy to placate your worries?

There wasn't a single thing that Romney said that was edited out of context or omitted, nothing.  What you heard wasn't an inarticulate failed attempt that horribly mangled the actual meaning of his words.  What you heard wasn't a misfortune garbled thought process that went terribly astray from what was trying to be communicated.  If he meant he was only referring to the 3 to 7 percent that ACTUALLY game the system..he could have SAID 3 to 7 percent.  It's that freak'in simple.