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1  Politikal / Welcome to Bizarro Amerika! / Re: Where Do I Sign Up? on: August 31, 2011, 01:09:11 pm
It's not just for the chicks, ya know! And if anyone tells youknowwho about this, please pray for moi!




**Runs away and hides**

I've long been aware that there are male prostitutes (serving males). It's really sad that some feel that's the only way to make it through college - both male and female.

And yes, you'd better duck and run!  :^)
2  Politikal / Political News and Election Coverage / Re: Jerry Buell Is a Shitty Teacher! on: August 30, 2011, 12:16:47 am
exactly...

why should he have to change anything...he made no unlawful claims...

ha...

I was going to respond earlier today but decided it's best not to from work.

Look, I started out supporting Mr. Buells right to speak his bigoted mind. But I actually read the articles, read his statements and watched recordings of his interviews. Google Jerry Buell. Read the interviews, watch the interviews with Mr. Buell. His (now removed) school web page stated he tried to teach as if the district had hired Jesus Christ himself. That statement alone disqualifies him from teaching in public schools.

If you can read and listen to all of those reports and still not understand why Jerry Buell can't teach in U.S. public schools then we're done here, because I can't make it any clearer.
3  Politikal / Political News and Election Coverage / Re: Jerry Buell Is a Shitty Teacher! on: August 28, 2011, 09:18:47 pm
Today a gay teenager killed himself. He lived in Michele Bachmann's district, whose school system is notoriously known for ignoring gay students. Do we want Florida schools like this? Because Mr. Buell does.

I would hope that no one wants teenagers (or anyone else) killing themselves, whether or not they are gay. If you want to change anyone's life for the better you can't treat them with hate, you have to show them love. Somewhere Jerry Buell's version of Christianity lost or missed that.
4  Politikal / Political News and Election Coverage / Re: Jerry Buell Is a Shitty Teacher! on: August 28, 2011, 09:14:40 pm
To betteroffhere;

You obviously don't understand the way separation of Church and State works. The second Jerry Buell put in his syllabus that he teaches God's truth he was in trouble. When he said he wouldn't change that pretty much guaranteed he couldn't teach in public schools. Separation of Church and State does not mean that you can't be a Christian and teach, it means that you can't be a Christian teacher and preach in the classroom. Jerry Buell pretty much broadcast that he would be using his classroom as his pulpit. You can't do that.

I have issues with the idea you can't have a Bible in your classroom - mainly because complaints only seem to occur when it is the Bible, not when it's the Qu'Ran or other religious teachings. But you very definitely can't preach in the classroom of a public school. If you are going to consider the classroom your mission field, you need to go teach in the mission field, or let your life do your preaching for you.
5  Politikal / Political News and Election Coverage / Re: Jerry Buell Is a Shitty Teacher! on: August 28, 2011, 02:15:42 am
Ok, my previous response should have been above this message:

but it is your (a gay) problem...you're the one in the minority...its not as big a problem for the bigots as it is for you !

equality on that level won't happen...the majority won't allow it and will fight with everything they have to see that it doesn't...

the social security system will collapse before the federal government condones same sex marriage...which...given enough time

should happen making marriage a worthless aggreement thereby allowing for same sex marriages...with very little benefit

True equality between majority and minority will never happen as long as human nature doesn't change. All we can do is strive to overcome our prejudices, our fear of those different than we are, our desire to be among a group of people like ourselves. We can make things as equal as possible, learn to see our similarities more than our differences. Maybe, someday, probably if we encounter extraterrestrial intelligence, we will learn that the different races of humankind on earth have far more in common with each other than we have differences.

And I don't know how long you've been watching how our government works, but with New York legalizing gay marriage it is only a matter of time until it becomes legalized nationally.



6  Politikal / Political News and Election Coverage / Re: Jerry Buell Is a Shitty Teacher! on: August 27, 2011, 09:21:34 pm
i don't believe that was stated by him anywhere...

Not explicitly stated, perhaps, but strongly implied. If you are going to teach in public schools you have to go by their rules. But Christianity is a way of life, so hopefully people, including students, will see that you are different, that you have something they want and need, by the way you live and teach, by who you are.

but certainly because of his beliefs it will have some bearing on his position of which direction the process of education should move but that goes without saying for everyone...muslim...jewish...

it's not selective and reserved for christians only...did i forget the atheist...

we all promote what we individually think and believe...looking for like minded people with which to share or knowledge and experiences...

and to think it is any different is insane...

there are many things that bibles can teach...it up to the individual themself to define what

they take away from scripture...whether its the hate....the love....

Do you dislike him because of his position on gays and thats all ?

Everything you say above is true. If you sincerely believe something it will affect everything you do. But you still have to live within the rules of society, change the rules of the society you live in, or leave that society. Jesus and the 12 Apostles changed the rules. The Pilgrims left the society. George Washington and the continental army changed the rules. Martin Luther King changed the rules. Those are your choices.

If Jerry Bueller taught Christianity in his classroom, he broke the rules. Agree or disagree with them, they are the rules we have, and those are the options we have in dealing with them.

He has the right to hate gay marriage, and to spout off about it. What he doesn't have is the right to do is express that in the classroom or to treat students differently because he believes they are sinners. If Jesus refused to judge the adulteress, what right to we have to judge anyone?
7  Politikal / Political News and Election Coverage / Re: Jerry Buell Is a Shitty Teacher! on: August 27, 2011, 04:16:48 pm
Wow. What an intelligent response! As I told you, we may or may not agree politically, but I knew there was intelligence and sincerity in your Twitter replies and that you would be able to honestly express your views here.

Thanks for joining us! (Just watch out for that ekg chick. She bites!  Wink)

Thanks. I believe you can be spiritual (even religious) without throwing reason out window.
 
As long as she's had her shots, I'm sure we'll be fine. :^)
8  Politikal / Political News and Election Coverage / Re: Jerry Buell Is a Shitty Teacher! on: August 27, 2011, 04:57:37 am
Jerry Buell is an interesting case. I do share his belief that marriage is between a man and a woman, but that is as far as it goes. I do not share the hatred he showed by his statements, and I don't blindly support him because we share some beliefs. If he has been preaching his religion in the classroom, he should have been removed long ago. If he has treated any student with anything less than respect he should have been removed from the classroom. But when it came to his spewing his views on Facebook, the problem there was that he thought he had privacy. As much as some people want to deny it, if this had been someone spouting hatred against straight marriage it would have been ignored or laughed at. If it had been a gay teacher attacked because he didn't understand his Facebook settings we would be railing at the attackers and at Facebook for having such obfuscated privacy settings.

But this wasn't a fringe wingnut talking about straight marriage, or a gay teacher put in harms way because he didn't understand his Facebook settings, it was a fringe wingnut spouting against gay marriage, so he get international exposure (polarizing people who might have been able to at least peacefully coexist) and is pilloried. You might even say he's on the way to becoming a martyr if his career is damaged or ended because of his Facebook comments. That will not help the cause of gay marriage or gay rights in general.

The school may be showing the most wisdom of all, moving focus from gay bashing to separation of Church and State.
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