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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2011, 08:21:50 am »

Well you're wrong!  No surprise there!  I hardly ever watch CNN, but yes I do primarily watch MSNBC/NBC for my news. I'm a faithful Hardball viewer.  He provides more comedy in one show than the comedy channel does all week!

I used to watch papa bear, but since O'Donnell took over from Olbermann, I'm watching O'Donnell.  He actually has some useful expertise.

But I will watch Hannity.  I don't remember saying I don't watch him, but it may have been true at the time.  Obviously any other entertainment shows take precedence over the cable talkers.


Man your obsession with Sam... when are you going to show up at his workplace?

Who's Papa Bear? I've never seen any of the above. All I ever watch is MSNBC (daytime is great...especially the recent coverage of Egypt). I also watch Rachel Maddow...So, ya see, I'm well rounded.  Cheesy
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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2011, 09:53:05 am »

Aaaaaaaaaaaa OHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh   they better back the hell my Anderson Angry

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/02/anderson-cooper-attacked-egypt-huff-post_n_817612.html
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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2011, 01:39:26 pm »

I meant to post that!

poor baby daddy!
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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2011, 07:00:48 pm »

Republican supporters of folks who beat up their citizens and American reporters with private armys:

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/02/03/mubarak_american_allies/index.html

Including Rush. Der...
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« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2011, 09:46:09 pm »

Well you're wrong!  No surprise there!  I hardly ever watch CNN, but yes I do primarily watch MSNBC/NBC for my news. I'm a faithful Hardball viewer.  He provides more comedy in one show than the comedy channel does all week!

I used to watch papa bear, but since O'Donnell took over from Olbermann, I'm watching O'Donnell.  He actually has some useful expertise.

But I will watch Hannity.  I don't remember saying I don't watch him, but it may have been true at the time.  Obviously any other entertainment shows take precedence over the cable talkers.


Man your obsession with Sam... when are you going to show up at his workplace?

Who's Papa Bear? I've never seen any of the above. All I ever watch is MSNBC (daytime is great...especially the recent coverage of Egypt). I also watch Rachel Maddow...So, ya see, I'm well rounded.  Cheesy

Papa Bear is O'Reilly.  That's what Cobert calls him.

But how can you not have heard of Lawrence O'Donnell if you watch just MSNBC?  He has Olbermann's old slot.
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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2011, 09:08:22 am »

Papa Bear is O'Reilly.  That's what Cobert calls him.

But how can you not have heard of Lawrence O'Donnell if you watch just MSNBC?  He has Olbermann's old slot.

huh. I'm boycotting O'Donnell. He'll never match Keith.  Grin

Plus I'm too busy with the Draft Keith campaign, ya know...
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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2011, 05:32:48 pm »

Papa Bear is O'Reilly.  That's what Cobert calls him.

But how can you not have heard of Lawrence O'Donnell if you watch just MSNBC?  He has Olbermann's old slot.

huh. I'm boycotting O'Donnell. He'll never match Keith.  Grin

Plus I'm too busy with the Draft Keith campaign, ya know...

Really?  Why would you boycott him?  He's a true blue socialist. Anyway he had nothing to do with Olbermann getting canned.  You need to stand up and support your liberal wackos or who will?




Who...... will?
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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2011, 07:48:29 pm »

Really?  Why would you boycott him?  He's a true blue socialist. Anyway he had nothing to do with Olbermann getting canned.  You need to stand up and support your liberal wackos or who will?

Who...... will?

This is a recurring theme with you and some others when I was on the muche. You fail to realize the sarcasm in my tone...

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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2011, 08:29:13 pm »

Not surprising.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20110203/162433368.html

Muslim Brotherhood wants end to Egypt-Israeli peace deal


Egypt's banned Muslim Brotherhood movement has unveiled its plans to scrap a peace treaty with Israel if it comes to power, a deputy leader said in an interview with NHK TV.

Rashad al-Bayoumi said the peace treaty with Israel will be abolished after a provisional government is formed by the movement and other Egypt's opposition parties.

"After President Mubarak steps down and a provisional government is formed, there is a need to dissolve the peace treaty with Israel," al-Bayoumi said.

Egypt was the first Arab country to officially recognize Israel and sign a peace agreement with the Israeli government in 1979. It is also a major mediator of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.



Of course the real question is, is abolishing the peace treaty between Israel and Egypt popular among the general public, or is this just an extremist position that can't  be implemented with a true representative government?

Hah! To quote you:

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There you go again!

For someone who lives in a black and white world, you sure do like to quote anonymous sources using words like "if", in this case citing the maybe when it snows in hell possibility that the Muslim Brotherhood "gets into power".

Here's a little edumacation for ya, Mike. You neocons and Islamophobes may not know it, but the Brotherhood is but a glimpse of it's hateful self thirty years ago. Today, it's a bunch of grumpy old men who can't agree which Murder, She Wrote to watch on al-Jazeera tonight.

Over the years, they've actually learned that maybe (hah! another one of your words!) if they actually worked with and compromised with the opposition they might get something done.

Try reading the following:

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/67348/carrie-rosefsky-wickham/the-muslim-brotherhood-after-mubarak?page=show&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

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But portraying the Brotherhood as eager and able to seize power and impose its version of sharia on an unwilling citizenry is a caricature that exaggerates certain features of the Brotherhood while ignoring others, and underestimates the extent to which the group has changed over time.

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Although the Brotherhood entered the political system in order to change it, it ended up being changed by the system. Leaders who were elected to professional syndicates engaged in sustained dialogue and cooperation with members of other political movements, including secular Arab nationalists. Through such interactions, Islamists and Arabists found common ground in the call for an expansion of public freedoms, democracy, and respect for human rights and the rule of law, all of which, they admitted, their movements had neglected in the past.



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Wasat leaders who used to be in the Brotherhood, along with a few reformers who remained in its fold, helped launch the cross-partisan Movement for Change, known by its slogan, Kefaya (Enough) between 2004 and 2005. They worked with secular democracy activists on such projects as creating a civic charter and a constitution, preparing for the time when a new democratic government came to power. During the past week of protests, members of these cross-partisan groups were able to quickly reactivate their networks to help form a united opposition front. These members will likely play a key role in drafting Egypt's new constitution.


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...the Brotherhood itself has been stunted in comparison to its analogues in Morocco and Turkey because of its constant vulnerability to repression combined with the parochial mindset of its aging leaders. Nevertheless, important changes, representing a departure from the group's anti-system past, have occurred. Over the last 30 years, Brotherhood leaders have become habituated to electoral competition and representation, developed new professional competencies and skills, and forged closer ties with Egyptian activists, researchers, journalists, and politicians outside the Islamist camp. Calls for self-critique and self-reform have opened heated debates on policy matters that were once left to the discretion of the General Guide and his close advisers. And although the Brotherhood was never a monolith, its leadership is more internally diverse today than ever before.

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With a track record of nearly 30 years of responsible behavior (if not rhetoric) and a strong base of support, the Muslim Brotherhood has earned a place at the table in the post-Mubarak era. No democratic transition can succeed without it.

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« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2011, 08:09:28 pm »

Hey I hope you're right.

 


Of course counting on you being right isn't exactly a path to success.
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« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2011, 08:37:29 pm »

Another trend I've noticed (at least as far as the Egypt situation is concerned) is that you're hedging your bets...notwithstanding the thinly veiled Islamophobic comments that is...

Hey...when are you going to start posting new threads on here? Want your own?
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« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2011, 08:53:16 pm »

Another trend I've noticed (at least as far as the Egypt situation is concerned) is that you're hedging your bets...notwithstanding the thinly veiled Islamophobic comments that is...

Hey...when are you going to start posting new threads on here? Want your own?

I'm not hedging.  I just genuinely don't know how things are going to turn out.  The history of the middle east and democracy doesn't exactly give much hope.  Democracy is the most difficult of governments, because it's so dependent on an educated populace to pull off.  Otherwise it winds up in tyranny.  There isn't much cultural history and experience with a representative government in that part of the world.

Of course, as a neo con Bush-style you should be optimistic!  I hope your optimism pays off!
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« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2011, 09:46:06 am »

it's so dependent on an educated populace to pull off. 

True that! We're seeing evidence right now of the uneducated populace following the pogroms of a dangerous group, aren't we?
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« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2011, 09:08:22 pm »

True that! We're seeing evidence right now of the uneducated populace following the pogroms of a dangerous group, aren't we?

I think that can be corrected in 2012.
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« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2011, 09:12:25 am »

I think that can be corrected in 2012.

Bah!

Isn't it scary Sarah's #2 in popularity in the party now?

Sarah 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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