yeah, that's not the number of recess appointments, that the number of 'secret' hold ups by this GOP..
it was done 16 times under Democrats and 197 times for the GOP..
that's his point, it was bullshit with both sides did it.. and this GOP is abusing it's power 197 times..
and I love how Obama beating Cantor at his own game by counting pro-forma sessions as a 'recess' is unconstitutional to you, but water boarding is just zippity-doo-dah fine..
Secret hold ups? Totally different issue than what was being discussed in this thread.
Before you get all high and mighty about waterboarding, don't forget that you were definitely in the pro torture camp.
do I mind the torture? no..if there is an emminet threat whether that be a nuke in a basement or a sicko who kidnapped a child..... if the only way to get the info is to torture then do it..
do I want it on the news every 15 mins? no..... I know the CIA does their "Bond/Bourne" things and I'm fine with knowing but not knowing...
and if we're going do water boarding then we should be ok with OUR guys getting water boarded.....so quit dicking around and answer the fucking question Claire.....
If it's ok for us to do it their guys, is it ok for them to do it to ours?
and where is the line? If it's my kid being held by the pedo or my town with the bomb there is no line IMO.....start with WB and then go to finger removal,hand removal,nut removal.. whatever...
but if it's my kid being held by an enemy gov't/terrorists? The line is nothing over the GC.... But I can admit my hypocrisy...... can you?
but at the same time, I agree that it is unreasonable for me to expect someone to follow the rules of the game when I don't....
It's a conundrum...but to say that WB doesn't really hurt someone is bullshit... it's torture, it my not kill you, but neither did the 'rape-rooms' Iraqis used to force women to give up info,blackmail, or force cooperation.....
you musta missed where I said I am for torturing if there is an imminent threat...
but I'm not for and never would be just labeling someone a terrorist and doing with them what the gov't pleases...
So what do I conclude from that?
