Obamacare

[ekg]

and btw.. if Wyden Bennet didn't have a mandate then what is this?

"Healthy Americans Act - Requires each adult individual to have the opportunity to purchase a Healthy Americans Private Insurance Plan (HAPI), which is: (1) a plan offered by a state; or (2) an employer-sponsored health coverage plan. Makes individuals who are not enrolled in another specified health plan and who are not opposed to coverage for religious reasons responsible for enrolling themselves and their dependent children in a HAPI plan offered through their state of residence. Sets forth penalties for failure to enroll."

requires one to buy insurance, if you don't.. you get a penalty..

and  if that's not a 'mandate, it's a tax' then so is this..

"Subtitle F: Shared Responsibility for Health Care - Part I: Individual Responsibility - (Sec. 1501, as modified by section 10106) Requires individuals to maintain minimal essential health care coverage beginning in 2014. Imposes a penalty for failure to maintain such coverage beginning in 2014, except for certain low-income individuals who cannot afford coverage, members of Indian tribes, and individuals who suffer hardship. Exempts from the coverage requirement individuals who object to health care coverage on religious grounds, individuals not lawfully present in the United States, and individuals who are incarcerated."

requires one to buy insurance, if you don't.. you get a penalty..

if one is not a mandate, neither is the other.. if one is a tax, then so is the other... sorry, you can't have it both ways..

and really, I believe pro-con over you on this issue.. and they say both are mandates..  so I'm not too worried about you answering this.. you don't admit mistakes easily so I know you'll never admit this one..

[lil mike]

says the man who made us practically beg to prove his statement..

I don't believe any one here, other than you, has a problem saying "Oops".. hell, you continue to throw my scating attack of Obama at me like I'm afraid of being wrong or something.. I'm not, I was wrong, I've said it for 2 years now but you keep bringing it up.. no one here is going to nag you for years on end when you make a mistake. You're not God, you're human,  you err. So instead of playing bullshit games..

just admit it..it really makes life so much easier.. and the one admitting the mistake a whole lot more credible..

and btw..14 days total it took you to finally admit it,14 days of asking...I bring it up only to ask you to please.. PLEASE don't sit there and pretend.."But anytime you don’t think I’m being factual, feel free to challenge me on it.  I’m not above being challenged, I’m not above being wrong, and I’m also not above admitting I’m wrong. "

because that's just been proven wrong..so when you say that and then say "However I’m very much alone in that last part. Which is OK."

you are not only misspeaking and being very insulting to the ones who  did nothing wrong,only asked you to prove your own statement, but you're also be total dick who can't handle it when he makes a mistake.. which again is completely counter to the 'I'm cool with being wrong' position you're trying to eek out for yourself.. that little quip you ended with, doesn't give off 'cool' it gives off 'bitter'..

That's not true.  As soon as I realized my mistake, I fessed up.

But this was the first indication that you were wrong on the Wyden bill, even though that's last week's news too. 

And I would never have kept pushing for an apology from you if you hadn't demanded one from me at the beginning:

No republican's then..

so how in the hell am I incorrect,ridiculous or going off the rails?

answer? I'm not... you forgot to look into the issue and it shows with your inaccurate ranting..

also, when I said "The individual mandate was around before Hillarycare, it was what the GOP was going to 'counter' her idea with..  "

I was correct there also..


rant would seem to suggest that I was wrong... clearly, I wasn't..

care to apologize now?

bone up on your facts next time...

So you were the one being a dick.  And worse, and incorrect one.  I don't understand why you have to take every political disagreement as a personal attack and respond in kind.

[lil mike]

and btw.. if Wyden Bennet didn't have a mandate then what is this?

requires one to buy insurance, if you don't.. you get a penalty..

and  if that's not a 'mandate, it's a tax' then so is this..
requires one to buy insurance, if you don't.. you get a penalty..

if one is not a mandate, neither is the other.. if one is a tax, then so is the other... sorry, you can't have it both ways..

and really, I believe pro-con over you on this issue.. and they say both are mandates..  so I'm not too worried about you answering this.. you don't admit mistakes easily so I know you'll never admit this one..

I already showed you were the CBO said it was a tax.  The premium comes out of taxes, just like FICA.

Interestingly, you've argued both ways on the Obamacare mandate.  That it was a mandate covered by commerce clause and it was a tax.

[ekg]

That's not true.  As soon as I realized my mistake, I fessed up.

wow.. so none of the posts were yours?

the 14 days, you've been admitting your mistake the whole time?

ok

[Howey]

That's not true.  As soon as I realized my mistake, I fessed up.

WHAT THE FUCK?

DID I JUST READ THAT RIGHT??////

[Howey]

I already showed you were the CBO said it was a tax.  The premium comes out of taxes, just like FICA.

Interestingly, you've argued both ways on the Obamacare mandate.  That it was a mandate covered by commerce clause and it was a tax.

Not that I care about Wyden-Bennett, but nowhere can I see it's a "tax", even from the CBO.

[ekg]

WHAT THE FUCK?

DID I JUST READ THAT RIGHT??////

yep... someone ate the brown acid..