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« on: January 30, 2012, 11:11:25 am » |
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Case in point, the Mormons. They have a set of surface beliefs that seem fairly generic protestant, untill you delve deep into it, and it starts looking more like Scientology than Methodists.
Thats a good example: Scientology. I barely regard it as a religion, more like a scam.
 Well. Mitten's religion is finally hitting the mainstream. And this comment isn't pretty. What about separation of church and state? ”The Mormons are the Chosen People. And the time is now for a Mormon leader to usher in the second coming of Christ and install the political Kingdom of God in Washington, D.C.” “The instructions in my [patriarchal] blessing, which I believed came directly from Jesus, motivated me to seek a career in government and politics,” This is scary...he's apparently been groomed for this since he was a teenager? And, despite my Mormon teachings as a child, I don't recall this fact: Romney avoids mentioning it, but Smith ran for president in 1844 as an independent commander in chief of an “army of God” advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government in favor of a Mormon-ruled theocracy. Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church. He had predicted the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong” — a leader who would “set in order the house of God” — and became the first of many prominent Mormon men to claim the mantle.
Smith’s insertion of religion into politics and his call for a “theodemocracy where God and people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” created a sensation and drew hostility from the outside world. But his candidacy was cut short when he was shot to death by an anti-Mormon vigilante mob. Out of Smith’s national political ambitions grew what would become known in Mormon circles as the “White Horse Prophecy” — a belief ingrained in Mormon culture and passed down through generations by church leaders that the day would come when the U.S. Constitution would “hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber” and the Mormon priesthood would save it. Yet the right wing was concerned that Obama went to Jeremiah Wright's church? We've got a hell of a lot more to be concerned about now... Link added so lilMike wouldn't have a hissy fit. |
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2012, 01:13:13 pm » |
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They don't actually mind a theocratic rule. It just has to be the RIGHT one.
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2012, 07:50:36 pm » |
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Is there a reason that you quote, but don't source things? I notice you do that quite a lot. And I don't understand why. It's not like Salon is some disreputable publication. I could see hiding the source if it was Think Progress or something like that but Salon?
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2012, 08:19:50 pm » |
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Is there a reason that you quote, but don't source things? I notice you do that quite a lot. And I don't understand why. It's not like Salon is some disreputable publication. I could see hiding the source if it was Think Progress or something like that but Salon?
Huh. Sorry, I thought I linked it. But your accusation of me failing to cite quotes is in error, or another lie. Now why don't you address the issue? |
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2012, 08:08:03 am » |
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Huh. Sorry, I thought I linked it. But your accusation of me failing to cite quotes is in error, or another lie.
Now why don't you address the issue?
I was thinking of this while drinking my morning coffee. Two things crossed my mind. One: lilMike has, over the past year or so, become one paranoid bitch. Everything is the result of duplicity. Two: lilMike reverts to his usual modus operandi when he knows he's lost again. Rather than address the issue, he deflects and changes course, hoping the readers don't realize it. I kinda think it's both. |
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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2012, 08:25:38 am » |
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WTF? It's getting crazier by the minute! Edward Davies, Mitt Romney's militantly atheist father-in-law, was indeed posthumously converted to Mormonism by his family, despite the fact that when he was alive he regarded all religions as "hogwash." UPDATE: Romney's brother-in-law responds below.
As we mentioned yesterday, Ann Romney's Welsh-born father (who Mitt mentioned in last night's debate to shore up his pro-immigrant bona fides) was an engineer, inventor, and resolute atheist who disdained all organized religion and raised his children accordingly. Davies, his son Roderick told the Boston Globe in 2007, regarded the faithful as "weak in the knees." But when Mitt began seeing Davies' daughter Ann, the Romney family launched a concerted effort to convert not only Ann but her entire family to Mormonism. And they were wildly successful: Within a year of meeting Ann, Mitt and his father had converted all three of Edward Davies' children. Days before she died in 1993, Ann Romney's mother asked to be converted as well. Edward Davies was the only member of his clan whose soul the Romneys never claimed for their church.
Until he died. According to this entry in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints' genealogical database, Davies was baptized as a Mormon at a "special family meeting" 14 months after his death: "All ordinances except sealing to spouse performed in Salt Lake Temple on 19 Nov 1993 in special family meeting," the entry says. (When we previously asked the church whether Davies had been baptized, a spokesperson told us that the information was available only to his family and church members. But it's apparently right there on the internet for those who know what to look for.)
According to our tipster, the "ordinances" performed on Davies' spectral remnants included the following:
[A] canonical series of rituals that Mormons undergo (in life or death) in order to qualify for admission to heaven, including baptism, confirmation, "washings and anointings," endowment, and, in the case of men, ordination to two levels of priesthood. The description seems to indicate that certain family members were present for all these rituals, in which a living male would have stood in "for and in behalf of" the late Mr. Davies.
A little under a year after the posthumous baptism, according to this entry at Ancestry.com, a Utah-based genealogical registry linked to the Mormon church, Edward Davies was "sealed" to his spouse for eternity in a ceremony that appears to have been performed in Atlanta, Ga.
Of course this is all empty superstition, as Davies realized. Being dead, he wasn't particularly in a place to care about whatever voodoo was performed in his name. But it's an exceedingly odd way for the Romney family to honor the memory of a man who was committed, for his entire life, to the notion that organized religion is a fraud.
The Mormon church has repeatedly been criticized for its practice of trawling for dead souls to convert to the faith. Catholic and Jewish organizations have expressed outrage when the names of dead popes and Holocaust victims have turned up on Mormon lists of the baptized. In 1995, the church pledged to "discontinue any future baptisms of deceased Jews" except for direct descendents of living Mormons, tacitly acknowledging that its creepy and weird to claim the souls of people who had no interest in Mormonism for their own. It's strange that the Romney and Davies families didn't accord Edward Davies' memory the same respect. |
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2012, 08:35:22 am » |
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Good Mormon Lord! The right wingers hate Romney more than the liberals! Read these comments! |
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2012, 09:05:49 am » |
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WTF? It's getting crazier by the minute! wtf is right... |
Facts are the center. We don’t pretend that certain facts are in dispute to give the appearance of fairness to people who don’t believe them. Balance is irrelevant to me. It doesn’t have anything to do with truth, logic or reality. ~Charlie Skinner (the Newsroom)
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2012, 09:12:59 am » |
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wtf is right...
That's how me and my brothers were baptized. They do that and send the boys out on missions to convert the unknowing and young. My sister went to BYU, married a Mormon, got herself converted, then came home and converted all of us. Mom and Dad refused, but didn't have the balls to put a stop to the madness. I'd wager there's more ex-Mormons out there because of this than real ones. |
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2012, 08:09:47 pm » |
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Huh. Sorry, I thought I linked it. But your accusation of me failing to cite quotes is in error, or another lie.
Now why don't you address the issue?
Address the issue? The oddness of not linking that article (and others in the past) deserved to be noted it. It wasn't an oversight, you do this frequently. As for the Mormon bashing, I recall you did the same thing in 08. You hate Mormons and their religion and apparently had some sort of childhood trauma about it. I really don't know how to address that issue. Refresh my memory and what happened that caused you to hate them so much. |
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2012, 08:13:52 pm » |
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Address the issue? The oddness of not linking that article (and others in the past) deserved to be noted it. It wasn't an oversight, you do this frequently.
As for the Mormon bashing, I recall you did the same thing in 08. You hate Mormons and their religion and apparently had some sort of childhood trauma about it. I really don't know how to address that issue. Refresh my memory and what happened that caused you to hate them so much.
Where did you get that I hate Mormons? And bash them?  What I hate is any religion pushing their hate upon others. And the Mormons are well known for that. So kindly fuck off. |
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