Poor true believer

[Howey]

I think I’ve already shown I was right about the stimulus, the recovery, and the recession

Just how long should it take to recover from the second-worst recession this country's ever faced? I don't think even Obama expected instant gratification. It would have been a bit faster of a recovery if he had gotten some kind of cooperation from the Republicans.

But Greece is just the early warning sign.

Our economy, as you've been shown countless times, is not like that of Greece. We will never be in their situation.

 

Oh no! Not another fucking future prediction! Steyn? Really? You're using a crazy Canuck who dropped out of high school and is Rush Limbaugh's heir apparent and who writes about the end of the world (or the US) to prove some silly economic theory???

fuckin' insane. And that doesn't even describe you!

[Howey]

A universal birth-control mandate is a curious priority for a dying republic.

From Mark Steyn

Fuck him! He doesn't like our country? Go back to Canada, asswipe! Take lilMike with ya!

[ekg]

nah, it's pretty easy to figure out on your own..

oooooooooo you got me, I wrote some scathing things about Obama... and so I hated Bush.. and? Do you think that's an insult? Well sorry, I don't have a problem admitting it, unlike you, so it's cute watching you try and prove you don't hate Obama.. it's not working because it just seeps out of you, but you can keep trying. I like making you my monkey..

good luck with that... and no, I don't think it will happen at all.. even if the GOP takes the house, the senate and the white house..

Oh I know what it means.. and we don't have any 'hyperinflation' so obviously we can print some money and so other things that can prevent the hyperinflation until such a time as we can start cutting..oddly, you so want it to happen though so you can be right... because if it doesn't, and we recover... well Obama was right and you can't stand that.. imagine want your country and countrymen to fail painfully just to prove you ideology.. how do you live with yourself?


I've looked and I can't see where I gave any 'view' whatsoever.. my point, which was lost while you were trying to deflect away from the stupid 'Greece' comparison you made.. was that we are not anything like Greece, and I explained why.. so, to continue to compare us to Greece and their problems doesn't prove you're smart.. it just proves you can mimic Rush and Hannity..

btw, Greece 'austerity' didn't work, it made things worse.. so I guess I can say it wouldn't work here based on them huh..


I know this.. and Obama knows this.. but we can afford to  keep priming the economy now, and when it gets back up off it's feet and employers are spending and consumers are spending, we can then address the long term debt problems... if no one else is spending, the gov't has to.. there is no other option... no other way to keep the country working.. and right now, with the recovery starting to work, spending freezes would kill that recovery and all your horror stories would come true.. again, I know that is what you want so that Obama can look bad and maybe you can get a GOP run country.. but what you refuse to see is that even with a GOP led country, we'd still be spending because it's the only option there is.. you and your party just want to hurt Obama, it's the stated goal..so really any opinions you or they have on this subject is tainted because of that statement.. you damn sure wouldn't be giving this 'smart advice' and 'dire warnings' if it would help him and the economy and we both know it..


blah blah blah..

what will you give me for it?

yeah, that came out a lot bitchier than it should have... I blame the kids..anyway, my bad..

[ekg]

Indulge me.

I’ve never had to “prove” I don’t hate Obama.  But your post pretty much confirms what I thought and what I told you in my last post:  You hated Bush and just cannot, CAN NOT conceive of me not hating Obama.  Of course you don’t have a problem admitting your hate, because you’ve expressed it on multiple occasions, but I don’t think you could say the same for me.  It’s not personal (how could it be?).  But for liberals, the personal is political.
It’s cute that you think I’m your monkey though!

dance monkey dance..

I can actually 'conceive' of you not 'hating' Obama when I hated Bush,(and not personally btw, personally, he would have been a great person to hang around with..a pretty funny dorky guy IMO)..the problem is, I don't see anything but 'hate' coming from you.. Sure, you're not as insulting as some more rapid of your party..you're more 'plausible deniability' and 'backhanded' than that... but it's there in every post you make. You can't even give him any credit when it's due.. I don't remember, did you even give him credit for OBL? The Somali pirates? the hostage takers from last week?  any credit at all? or did you just ignore it, or leave off his role in it and give congrats to others?

Sounds like the basis of another wager, although it just wouldn’t be right until you’ve paid up from the last one.
How’s that coming along by the way?[

do you have a nominee yet?

didn't think so..

until you do... and it's not her, then I guess you can keep dancing...

4
Interestingly, that’s exactly how I feel about you guys!  How can you put the entire country at risk for your own short term political gain?  Fairly easily it seems.  I think I’ve already shown I was right about the stimulus, the recovery, and the recession.  I predicted back on the muche when we were arguing about the stimulus bill that with it our recovery will be slow and sluggish, just like Japan’s was, and for the same reasons.  I’ll be right about Obamacare too, if it stays and doesn’t get repealed.

you do get that McCain would have done the same thing.. as would/will Romney,Paul and Santorum.. why? because it's the only option.. your option, who knows what it would do.. because it's never been tested on an economy our size with the devestation we've gone through along with the rest of the world... so you can pat yourself on the back that you'd be right.. but we both know that that's like patting yourself on the back for saying 9/11 wouldn't have happened under Gore.. Sure I can make that argument and be right... too bad we can never know for sure..
 

Here's the rub.. people were struggling .. with and without their houses.. Lets pretend the right way may be to let them all live or die on their own.. rich and poor alike and after wards maybe we'll be stronger..  Let's pretend that while we're losing 750,000 jobs a month, we're going to let the auto industry die out as well, adding an additional couple million more people to the unemployment rolls..Let's pretend that with wall street dropping like shit threw a duck, we just let it keep falling without any invention... I've seen the world you just created... It's called Mad Max.. and it ain't pretty.... no matter who was president, not a single politician was going to let that happen.. and now, with it just starting to get better, Every one of them is going to renew UI benefits, every one of them is going to keep the food stamp eligibility rate what it is, every one of them is going to keep medicare/medicaid/ss payments and plan going..  and everyone of them will say they are going to change it,but not until 2017 or some year in the future when we're finally getting back on our feet again and can afford to start cutting.. If you don't believe that, you' haven't been paying attention enough....why? because rhetoric gets you elected and when you're there it's a whole other ball game  cutting funds and programs that will literally force millions into the streets begging for food..

Like I said, you and the GOP are only latching on to your 'principals' right now because its Obama in the office..  your only goal is to change that.. you are not going to give advice or opinions that would help him succeed.. what you'll do is, condemn his every move and then ignore all that when you're in the white house doing the same thing because at this moment in time, in order to restore this country, this is what has to be done..

don't forget, it was a member of your party who started this mess with his tax cuts that cost billions, his wars that cost billions and his medicare part d program.. again billions.. all unpaid for.. and off the books... but now, with Obama, it's on the books and you're shitting yourself.. well sorry, putting the cost iof the GWB presidency on the books isn't socialism ,Marxism  or even Kenyan secular colonialism.. it's just good fucking business..

This must be a new lefty talking point since I’ve encountered it on the other forum too; the idea that “austerity” is some sort of alternate economic theory to… what, opulence? Austerity is what you’re left with when you’ve run out of options.  Otherwise, why would anyone choose to give up their retire in their  50’s plans that the Greeks had to put it off for another decade?
The Greeks may think that they got austerity, but the Germans, who are footing the bill don’t.  What the Greeks did was too little too late.  But Greece is just the early warning sign.  It’s not the whole enchilada.  Most of the other countries in Europe are under the same stresses and the few that have not were smart and started reforming years ago.
That’s what I would like to do.  I would rather be a Germany or Sweden than a Greece or Spain.
You’re choice is clearly Greece and Spain.

blah blah.. dance monkey... all I know is that you so dearly want to compare to greece and well.. greece went the 'cutting' route and got fucked for it.. so if you want to look at them, look at that and be glad we're not doing what they did and stfu about greece  already..

You do know that the “recovery” began in the summer of 2009 don’t you?  Just a reminder that I was right.  Sluggish recovery.  So you seem to simultaneously think that the economy is great, but if we don’t keep priming the pump it will collapse… so therefore, the economy isn’t great.
I suppose I’ll have to wait until Obama’s next term to find out what his secret deficit fighting plan is huh?

Best reply ever!  It’s basically you confirming what I already stated.  I have principles, you have a political party.

Nothing of course. I knew you didn’t really have a theory on how Bush caused the recession. I was just smoking you out. 

huh...  I don't  think I've seen anyone who needs validation so badly that every other sentence is some play on "I was right" .. interesting.. wrong and sad.. but interesting

but thanks for giving Howie a new reply when you dodge questions...

"Nevermind, I knew you were lying.. I was just trying to smoke you out"

[lil mike]

Just how long should it take to recover from the second-worst recession this country's ever faced? I don't think even Obama expected instant gratification. It would have been a bit faster of a recovery if he had gotten some kind of cooperation from the Republicans.

It’s not a matter of instant gratification; it’s a matter of recognizing what the problems are and trying to correct those.  I posted on here a couple of weeks ago about the true nature of the recession (as opposed to the financial crisis – two separate, although related, things).   As I had mentioned to ekg, the recovery actually began in Jun 2009, too early for the stimulus to have had much effect, assuming that it could have.  But our recovery has been shitty.  The only other comparison I can make was the Great Depression, when we pursued similar policies.  We’ve had other severe recessions (early 80’s for example) and even depressions like the 1920 one, that we’ve recovered better than  this one. 

What exactly do you think the Republicans could have done to cooperate with Obama that would have made the recovery quicker?

Our economy, as you've been shown countless times, is not like that of Greece. We will never be in their situation.

I agree we’re not Greece.   They have an economy the size of Boston.  But I don’t understand what is the basis for thinking that it couldn’t happen here?  No one is going to bail us out you know.

Oh no! Not another fucking future prediction! Steyn? Really? You're using a crazy Canuck who dropped out of high school and is Rush Limbaugh's heir apparent and who writes about the end of the world (or the US) to prove some silly economic theory???

fuckin' insane. And that doesn't even describe you!

Steyn is a great writer.    I really enjoy his writing.  It’s so hard to get wit mixed in with serious subjects these days.  That’s a writing goal right there!

From Mark Steyn

Fuck him! He doesn't like our country? Go back to Canada, asswipe! Take lilMike with ya!

Love it or leave it huh?
That’s a keeper!

[Howey]

Steyn is a great writer. 

He may or may not be but as a financial seer he's about as effective as a boil on my ass.

[lil mike]

dance monkey dance..

I can actually 'conceive' of you not 'hating' Obama when I hated Bush,(and not personally btw, personally, he would have been a great person to hang around with..a pretty funny dorky guy IMO)..the problem is, I don't see anything but 'hate' coming from you.. Sure, you're not as insulting as some more rapid of your party..you're more 'plausible deniability' and 'backhanded' than that... but it's there in every post you make. You can't even give him any credit when it's due.. I don't remember, did you even give him credit for OBL? The Somali pirates? the hostage takers from last week?  any credit at all? or did you just ignore it, or leave off his role in it and give congrats to others?

Giving credit for things Obama has done right (like UBL and the pirates) is similar to me criticizing the Bush administration for things they did wrong.  I criticized the Bush administration for a lot of things they did, practically their entire domestic agenda, and you seemed to remember it as praise.  On the muche, no matter how many times I responded to your request to criticize Bush administration policies, you never remembered and then the next time it was Groundhog Day all over.  It must be a Bush critic dementia that was associated with Bush Derangement Syndrome.

It’s sort of an opposite thing here.  There have been a lot of things in regards to national security that I’ve praised the Obama administration for.  But you can’t seem to remember that either.  It’s a whole new day with you in that subject too.  Even if you were right – which of course you’re not, how does that equal hate?  I vividly remember your hatred, and hatred that you felt was a righteous hatred totally justified.  How does that compare with anything that I’ve written?  Show me something I’ve written dripping with the hatred you used to display.

do you have a nominee yet?

didn't think so..

until you do... and it's not her, then I guess you can keep dancing...

Darn!

you do get that McCain would have done the same thing.. as would/will Romney,Paul and Santorum.. why? because it's the only option.. your option, who knows what it would do.. because it's never been tested on an economy our size with the devestation we've gone through along with the rest of the world... so you can pat yourself on the back that you'd be right.. but we both know that that's like patting yourself on the back for saying 9/11 wouldn't have happened under Gore.. Sure I can make that argument and be right... too bad we can never know for sure..
 

Here's the rub.. people were struggling .. with and without their houses.. Lets pretend the right way may be to let them all live or die on their own.. rich and poor alike and after wards maybe we'll be stronger..  Let's pretend that while we're losing 750,000 jobs a month, we're going to let the auto industry die out as well, adding an additional couple million more people to the unemployment rolls..Let's pretend that with wall street dropping like shit threw a duck, we just let it keep falling without any invention... I've seen the world you just created... It's called Mad Max.. and it ain't pretty.... no matter who was president, not a single politician was going to let that happen.. and now, with it just starting to get better, Every one of them is going to renew UI benefits, every one of them is going to keep the food stamp eligibility rate what it is, every one of them is going to keep medicare/medicaid/ss payments and plan going..  and everyone of them will say they are going to change it,but not until 2017 or some year in the future when we're finally getting back on our feet again and can afford to start cutting.. If you don't believe that, you' haven't been paying attention enough....why? because rhetoric gets you elected and when you're there it's a whole other ball game  cutting funds and programs that will literally force millions into the streets begging for food..

Like I said, you and the GOP are only latching on to your 'principals' right now because its Obama in the office..  your only goal is to change that.. you are not going to give advice or opinions that would help him succeed.. what you'll do is, condemn his every move and then ignore all that when you're in the white house doing the same thing because at this moment in time, in order to restore this country, this is what has to be done..

don't forget, it was a member of your party who started this mess with his tax cuts that cost billions, his wars that cost billions and his medicare part d program.. again billions.. all unpaid for.. and off the books... but now, with Obama, it's on the books and you're shitting yourself.. well sorry, putting the cost iof the GWB presidency on the books isn't socialism ,Marxism  or even Kenyan secular colonialism.. it's just good fucking business..

This is starting to sound like a rebit. You insist that anyone would have to do exactly what Obama did because what he did was the only right way to handle things.  I’d say apparently not.  McCain had plans in his platform that were quite a bit different, and I would argue, better. 
But the idea that it’s inconceivable that there was any other way to handle things than the Obama way…  what can I say?  You have a very limited and rigid ideology and can’t really see beyond it.  Luckily, I understand you guys, WAY better than you can understand me.  I would explain why but that would be a rebit too.

blah blah.. dance monkey... all I know is that you so dearly want to compare to greece and well.. greece went the 'cutting' route and got fucked for it.. so if you want to look at them, look at that and be glad we're not doing what they did and stfu about greece  already..

huh...  I don't  think I've seen anyone who needs validation so badly that every other sentence is some play on "I was right" .. interesting.. wrong and sad.. but interesting

but thanks for giving Howie a new reply when you dodge questions...

"Nevermind, I knew you were lying.. I was just trying to smoke you out"

LOL!  I don’t think Howey needs someone to feed him new insults.  He’s not exactly clever or original in that department, but he keeps plugging away.

[ekg]

It’s not a matter of instant gratification; it’s a matter of recognizing what the problems are and trying to correct those.  I posted on here a couple of weeks ago about the true nature of the recession (as opposed to the financial crisis – two separate, although related, things).   As I had mentioned to ekg, the recovery actually began in Jun 2009, too early for the stimulus to have had much effect, assuming that it could have.  But our recovery has been shitty.  The only other comparison I can make was the Great Depression, when we pursued similar policies.  We’ve had other severe recessions (early 80’s for example) and even depressions like the 1920 one, that we’ve recovered better than  this one. 

What exactly do you think the Republicans could have done to cooperate with Obama that would have made the recovery quicker?

to start.. not scare the shit out of everyone screaming the the Kenyan socialist muslim was changing the very fabric of this country and turning it into some 'European' country.... If we 'pursued similar policies' before than that was simple bullshit meant to make the populous,business and wall street not trust him.. and with all those tightened sphincters, we simply stumbled along until the masses caught on that it was just more scare tatics from the right.... BUt initially all that bullshit scared people and stopped a faster recovery from happening, had they been a little more cooperative and a little less bombastic, who know what things would look like now.

Imagine if the GOP ran as many of the Clint Eastwood GM add type town halls instead of the ones where they didn't correct people insane 'killing grandma' type fears... you have to admit the GOP played into the hands of the paranoid schizo's and let them go do any damge they could.. had they just been a little more "McCain" and corrected the fears of the race-o-phobes (yes, there are those whether you'll admit it or not) and been more "This is America, and while we may have gotten knocked down, we get back up.. it's what we do in this country"  and a little less



(you don't have to watch all, just the first few minutes is sufficient... )

who knows how much better it could have been.. what I am positive about is, that it wouldn't have been any worse..

from moment one, he's been heckled while giving a speech before congress, he was interrupted 48 times in a 20 minute interview with Bill O, Jan Brewer shook her finger at him and then claimed she felt threatened... all the while others were ranting about how he wasn't born here, how he hates this country, how he's really Muslim.. you can't tell me none of that hurt this country..

had the GOP been more like



it would have helped exponentially... there was no rallying cry of unity from them, only screams of raving lunacy and division... for 2 years the stated goal was to make him a one term president, you can't do that and help the country recover and you know it..

and I disagree about us going through this before.. It wasn't just wall street diving, it was home prices and jobs as well.. and it wan't just here it was global.. so yes, it was different  this time.. and until it's recovered globally, it's not going to be back to where it was...

I agree we’re not Greece.   They have an economy the size of Boston.  But I don’t understand what is the basis for thinking that it couldn’t happen here?  No one is going to bail us out you know.

because, we're not greece they have an economy the size of Boston..if Boston 'failed' they have a back up that can bail them out... unlike greece..

Greece doesn't have the ability to monetize their debt, we do.. they have to go thru the ECB, we don't.

our interest rate on 10 year bonds is 1.92 % still historically low..as opposed to Greece's 33.66 %

Greece's debt is 160% of the economy, ours is 75%..

we are a HUGE economy, Greece isn't.. we have a huge earning capacity because of that huge economy, greece? not so much, not to mention we have the dollar, the currency of the world that is managed by a single gov't.. Greece? nope..sot so much

That's why 'greece' can't and won't happen here.. unless and until some other super-power, on the level of us, comes along and knocks the shit out of us and takes over.. "Greece' simply will not happen here... you should trust your country more.

[Howey]

You don't get it ekg. He (and his Steyn comrades)  WANT the country to fail. Just so they can smugly say: "See, we told you so!" It's not about the betterment of our country, it's about bringing the nigger down and putting him in his place!

[uselesslegs]

to start.. not scare the shit out of everyone screaming the the Kenyan socialist muslim was changing the very fabric of this country and turning it into some 'European' country.... If we 'pursued similar policies' before than that was simple bullshit meant to make the populous,business and wall street not trust him.. and with all those tightened sphincters, we simply stumbled along until the masses caught on that it was just more scare tatics from the right.... BUt initially all that bullshit scared people and stopped a faster recovery from happening, had they been a little more cooperative and a little less bombastic, who know what things would look like now.

Imagine if the GOP ran as many of the Clint Eastwood GM add type town halls instead of the ones where they didn't correct people insane 'killing grandma' type fears... you have to admit the GOP played into the hands of the paranoid schizo's and let them go do any damge they could.. had they just been a little more "McCain" and corrected the fears of the race-o-phobes (yes, there are those whether you'll admit it or not) and been more "This is America, and while we may have gotten knocked down, we get back up.. it's what we do in this country"  and a little less



(you don't have to watch all, just the first few minutes is sufficient... )

who knows how much better it could have been.. what I am positive about is, that it wouldn't have been any worse..

from moment one, he's been heckled while giving a speech before congress, he was interrupted 48 times in a 20 minute interview with Bill O, Jan Brewer shook her finger at him and then claimed she felt threatened... all the while others were ranting about how he wasn't born here, how he hates this country, how he's really Muslim.. you can't tell me none of that hurt this country..

had the GOP been more like



it would have helped exponentially... there was no rallying cry of unity from them, only screams of raving lunacy and division... for 2 years the stated goal was to make him a one term president, you can't do that and help the country recover and you know it..

and I disagree about us going through this before.. It wasn't just wall street diving, it was home prices and jobs as well.. and it wan't just here it was global.. so yes, it was different  this time.. and until it's recovered globally, it's not going to be back to where it was...

because, we're not greece they have an economy the size of Boston..if Boston 'failed' they have a back up that can bail them out... unlike greece..

Greece doesn't have the ability to monetize their debt, we do.. they have to go thru the ECB, we don't.

our interest rate on 10 year bonds is 1.92 % still historically low..as opposed to Greece's 33.66 %

Greece's debt is 160% of the economy, ours is 75%..

we are a HUGE economy, Greece isn't.. we have a huge earning capacity because of that huge economy, greece? not so much, not to mention we have the dollar, the currency of the world that is managed by a single gov't.. Greece? nope..sot so much

That's why 'greece' can't and won't happen here.. unless and until some other super-power, on the level of us, comes along and knocks the shit out of us and takes over.. "Greece' simply will not happen here... you should trust your country more.

Very well said.

[Howey]

Very well said.

Woof!
 

[ekg]

Giving credit for things Obama has done right (like UBL and the pirates) is similar to me criticizing the Bush administration for things they did wrong.  I criticized the Bush administration for a lot of things they did, practically their entire domestic agenda, and you seemed to remember it as praise.  On the muche, no matter how many times I responded to your request to criticize Bush administration policies, you never remembered and then the next time it was Groundhog Day all over.  It must be a Bush critic dementia that was associated with Bush Derangement Syndrome.

It’s sort of an opposite thing here.  There have been a lot of things in regards to national security that I’ve praised the Obama administration for.  But you can’t seem to remember that either.  It’s a whole new day with you in that subject too.  Even if you were right – which of course you’re not, how does that equal hate?  I vividly remember your hatred, and hatred that you felt was a righteous hatred totally justified.  How does that compare with anything that I’ve written?  Show me something I’ve written dripping with the hatred you used to display.

show me the praise please..I'm just curious if it was real or if it had a 'but' in it..

as for your Bush criticism... I concede that you criticized him about as much as I've criticized Obama.. but  you never said diddly on a major issue/policy..

You're hatred doesn't come out 'dripping'.. it's backhanded,sneaky,holier than thou,condescending..and most of all, dripping with plausible deniability. You rarely take a hard,only one way to take it, stand on any issue.. in pretty much every opinion you have you leave yourself an 'out' so that you cannot ever be nailed down to that single position... even when asked to answer with a simple 'yes or no' to give the person you are talking to a bona fide answer on your position.. you sneak around the yes/no and somehow 'forget' to give such a hard answer..

this way you can always be right and never have to take a definable stand on any issue..

. 
But the idea that it’s inconceivable that there was any other way to handle things than the Obama way…  what can I say?  You have a very limited and rigid ideology and can’t really see beyond it.  Luckily, I understand you guys, WAY better than you can understand me.  I would explain why but that would be a rebit too.

.

odd, you did the same when it was Bush and wiretapping,torture,war,Pat Act,warrant-less searches and pretty much everything else Bush did... well, with your one exception, medicare part D..

it's inconceivable to me that evolution didn't happen, does that make me wrong or rigid in my ideology or just informed on the issue? your problem is if I say it, I must be wrong.. well, not thin time since I'm pretty sure most economist were with Obama's way.. the only complaints I heard was he didn't do enough, not that what he was doing was wrong..

as for understanding us? you never have a clue and you're pretty much always wrong.. but figuring you out is simple, I take whatever OBama or any liberal says, and apply the opposite and/or watch Fox news and that's exactly where I find you..see, simple.

[lil mike]

to start.. not scare the shit out of everyone screaming the the Kenyan socialist muslim was changing the very fabric of this country and turning it into some 'European' country.... If we 'pursued similar policies' before than that was simple bullshit meant to make the populous,business and wall street not trust him.. and with all those tightened sphincters, we simply stumbled along until the masses caught on that it was just more scare tatics from the right.... BUt initially all that bullshit scared people and stopped a faster recovery from happening, had they been a little more cooperative and a little less bombastic, who know what things would look like now.

Imagine if the GOP ran as many of the Clint Eastwood GM add type town halls instead of the ones where they didn't correct people insane 'killing grandma' type fears... you have to admit the GOP played into the hands of the paranoid schizo's and let them go do any damge they could.. had they just been a little more "McCain" and corrected the fears of the race-o-phobes (yes, there are those whether you'll admit it or not) and been more "This is America, and while we may have gotten knocked down, we get back up.. it's what we do in this country"  and a little less



(you don't have to watch all, just the first few minutes is sufficient... )

who knows how much better it could have been.. what I am positive about is, that it wouldn't have been any worse..

from moment one, he's been heckled while giving a speech before congress, he was interrupted 48 times in a 20 minute interview with Bill O, Jan Brewer shook her finger at him and then claimed she felt threatened... all the while others were ranting about how he wasn't born here, how he hates this country, how he's really Muslim.. you can't tell me none of that hurt this country..

had the GOP been more like



it would have helped exponentially... there was no rallying cry of unity from them, only screams of raving lunacy and division... for 2 years the stated goal was to make him a one term president, you can't do that and help the country recover and you know it..

and I disagree about us going through this before.. It wasn't just wall street diving, it was home prices and jobs as well.. and it wan't just here it was global.. so yes, it was different  this time.. and until it's recovered globally, it's not going to be back to where it was...

because, we're not greece they have an economy the size of Boston..if Boston 'failed' they have a back up that can bail them out... unlike greece..

Greece doesn't have the ability to monetize their debt, we do.. they have to go thru the ECB, we don't.

our interest rate on 10 year bonds is 1.92 % still historically low..as opposed to Greece's 33.66 %

Greece's debt is 160% of the economy, ours is 75%..

we are a HUGE economy, Greece isn't.. we have a huge earning capacity because of that huge economy, greece? not so much, not to mention we have the dollar, the currency of the world that is managed by a single gov't.. Greece? nope..sot so much

That's why 'greece' can't and won't happen here.. unless and until some other super-power, on the level of us, comes along and knocks the shit out of us and takes over.. "Greece' simply will not happen here... you should trust your country more.

Wow, all I have to do is replace GOP with Democrats and it could have been 2006!

Well except for the Kenyan socialist part...

It's amazing to me that you don't see your constant undermining of the war effort as being the same thing. 

And since you guys ran the killing grandma ads, I'm not sure what point you were trying to make with that.  The opposite of what you intended.

But you didn't answer my question by a long shot.  I asked what exactly do you think the Republicans could have done to cooperate with Obama that would have made the recovery quicker?

What policies of Obama's do you think the Republicans should have supported?

And I'll ask a twist on that.  What policies do you think the Democrats should have supported of Bush's during his administration?

[lil mike]

show me the praise please..I'm just curious if it was real or if it had a 'but' in it..

as for your Bush criticism... I concede that you criticized him about as much as I've criticized Obama.. but  you never said diddly on a major issue/policy..

You're hatred doesn't come out 'dripping'.. it's backhanded,sneaky,holier than thou,condescending..and most of all, dripping with plausible deniability. You rarely take a hard,only one way to take it, stand on any issue.. in pretty much every opinion you have you leave yourself an 'out' so that you cannot ever be nailed down to that single position... even when asked to answer with a simple 'yes or no' to give the person you are talking to a bona fide answer on your position.. you sneak around the yes/no and somehow 'forget' to give such a hard answer..

this way you can always be right and never have to take a definable stand on any issue..

odd, you did the same when it was Bush and wiretapping,torture,war,Pat Act,warrant-less searches and pretty much everything else Bush did... well, with your one exception, medicare part D..

it's inconceivable to me that evolution didn't happen, does that make me wrong or rigid in my ideology or just informed on the issue? your problem is if I say it, I must be wrong.. well, not thin time since I'm pretty sure most economist were with Obama's way.. the only complaints I heard was he didn't do enough, not that what he was doing was wrong..

as for understanding us? you never have a clue and you're pretty much always wrong.. but figuring you out is simple, I take whatever OBama or any liberal says, and apply the opposite and/or watch Fox news and that's exactly where I find you..see, simple.

Well clearly I'm an extremely poor writer if you can't find clear positions instead of some sort of hedging, in the political things I've written.  I guess I would like to know what exactly you consider hate towards Obama that I've written?

[ekg]

Wow, all I have to do is replace GOP with Democrats and it could have been 2006!

Well except for the Kenyan socialist part...

It's amazing to me that you don't see your constant undermining of the war effort as being the same thing. 

constant undermining? are you high? each and every thing that came up on the war, dems were right there voting along side repubs passing it.. can't say the same for any GOP support for Obama.. I don't believe Dems said shit about the war until they found out they were lied to.. and you can't fault them for being a little pissed about that.. but there was still support on left when it came down to it..
never-mind..  really, this is stupid. the Dems voted for everything GWB asked for.. war, pat act, pat act II,FISA amendments,NCLB, medicare D..etc etc..

as opposed to zero GOP stimulus votes,zero health care votes,almost zero dodd-frank votes, and almost a whole 8 votes for DADT..etc etc etc..

sure, it was the same..the Dems shut down everything Bush tried to do.. he never had Dem support.. and the GOP has bent over backwards to support Obama,... sure, only  in your delusional bubble..


end of conversation..you're just not rational or truthful enough for this kind of conversation...