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« on: June 07, 2012, 06:22:39 pm »

We already know about Rick Scott's recent attempt to purge potential Democrats from voting rolls. Ordered by the DOJ to cease his efforts, and with all 67 county Supervisors of Elections refusing to conduct the purge, Scott has steadfastly refused to stop.

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Gov. Rick Scott's elections chief on Wednesday defiantly refused a federal demand to stop purging noncitizens from Florida's voter rolls, intensifying an election-year confrontation with President Barack Obama's administration as each side accuses the other of breaking federal law.

In a sharply worded letter, Scott's administration claimed the Department of Justice doesn't understand two federal voting laws at the heart of the dispute and was protecting potentially illegal voters more than legal ones.

Florida also accused another federal agency, the Department of Homeland Security, of violating the law by denying Florida access to a federal citizenship database.

Democrat Rep. Alcee Hastings has claimed the voter purge also results in a "backdoor poll tax".
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Democratic U.S. Rep. Alcee Hastings recently appeared at a news conference bashing Gov. Rick Scott's noncitizen voter purge with Bill Internicola, a Brooklyn-born World War II vet who appeared on a list of potential noncitizens.

Before it started, Hastings asked Internicola if the Broward Supervisor of Elections had mailed him a stamped envelope to send back his proof of citizenship.

Internicola, who had voted for decades and is a Democrat from Davie, answered no.

Hastings responded, "There is also a backdoor poll tax. In the letter that he (Internicola) received I asked him a moment ago he did not have a prepaid envelope to send it back meaning he had to buy a stamp. Don’t tell me how little it is -- that stamp is a cost. And the state should not be about the business of emaciating voter rights. They should be in the business of causing people to participate."

Is he right? PolitiFact Florida looked into the claim and ruled it "Half True". In support of Hasting's claim, they contacted experts who said the following:

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• Both disproportionately affected minorities: The poll tax reduced the number of blacks who could vote. Florida’s potential noncitizen voter list was 58 percent Hispanic, 14 percent black and 13 percent white.

"Thus, Rep. Hastings' term, ‘a backdoor poll tax,’ is accurate as it applies to blacks as a group, because still today blacks have a lower median income than whites. Granted, it is not as onerous monetarily as the tax was back in the sixties, but it is still a tax that imposes a heavier burden, proportionally, on blacks than whites," said Chandler Davidson, a sociology professor at Rice University.

• Requiring extra steps for voters is a burden: Voters often had to show their receipt to vote under the poll tax which is analogous to the potential noncitizens having to present documents at elections’ offices in advance of voting.

• Both require at least some voters to pay to vote: In the case of the poll tax, it applied to all men but in reality was a burden for poor blacks and whites. Florida’s recent noncitizen voter purge required some residents to provide proof of citizenship which meant a cost for many to mail in documentation, make copies or drive and possibly pay to park at an elections office. Note this category also includes a difference: The poll tax applied to all while the recent purge applied to few.

But...to determine the differences between a poll tax and the voter purge, concentration was centered around cost:


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• Right to vote: Poor blacks and whites should have had a right to vote. In the current Florida case, noncitizens don’t have the right to vote -- it’s a felony. We haven’t heard anyone argue that noncitizens should get to cast a ballot -- the controversy is that there were errors on the list -- many were citizens. And some critics say that some voters simply didn’t get the letter or would be discouraged from responding. Since the many of those who received the letters didn’t respond to elections officials and the state was working with outdated information, it’s unclear if the majority on the list are citizens or not.

• Every expense associated with voting isn’t a poll tax: Many voters drive to the polls to vote -- the cost of gas isn’t a poll tax. In the noncitizen case, a stamp isn’t the only way to deliver the form -- someone might get a ride from a friend and drop it off.

In conclusion, PolitiFact stated:
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After Broward residents received letters asking them to submit documentation proving their citizenship in order to vote, Hastings described it as a "backdoor poll tax" because they had to buy a stamp to mail in the documents.

Hastings is correct that there are some similarities between the poll tax and Florida’s recent search for noncitizen voters. The most important similarity is that minorities in both cases were disproportionately affected. And in both cases, it added costs and burdens to vote.  

"Any effort to introduce an election procedure that requires some voters to incur financial costs could be thought of as a metaphoric or perhaps real poll tax," Keyssar said.

But there are some important differences including that the poll tax had a far more widespread effect than Florida’s search for noncitizen voters. While poor black sharecroppers couldn’t afford the poll tax, the issue for some of the Florida voters may be more of the inconvenience than the expense.

We rate this claim Half True.

According to the article, PolitiFact forwarded their decision to Rep. Hasting's office and didn't receive a reply.


Well. Here's mine.

There’s an important issue missing in your review of Alcee Hasting’s claim that Rick Scott’s voter purge is a poll tax. An alarming number of older Floridians, many black and hispanic, don’t have birth certificates. For those born at home or through a mid-wife, proving birth is nearly impossible and expensive. For those, estimated to be 7% of the population; who just don’t have a birth certificate, including the poor, students and others who have just lost theirs through the years, the cost is still involved and can be anywhere from $10 - $30, which is a big chunk for many poor - not just the elderly. Then there's the time factor. Many states take up to three months to provide a Certificate of Live Birth; so therefore the requirement is, in fact, excessive, expensive, and in violation of the Voter’s Rights Act.

Taking this in context, your ruling should have been "Mostly True".
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« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2012, 01:08:54 pm »

He is the worst elected official in my lifetime. That is quite an honor considering the amount of dumbasses that have held office.

What gets me is he is so blantant about rigging the election and stealing our tax dollars and still has some support. 
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2012, 03:27:53 pm »

He is the worst elected official in my lifetime. That is quite an honor considering the amount of dumbasses that have held office.

What gets me is he is so blantant about rigging the election and stealing our tax dollars and still has some support. 

With your friends and acquaintances, have you ever had one admit they voted for him?  Out of all the different people I know, when on the rare occasion politics comes up...I swear to God I can't find anyone who says they voted for him, haha.
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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2012, 05:03:33 pm »

With your friends and acquaintances, have you ever had one admit they voted for him?  Out of all the different people I know, when on the rare occasion politics comes up...I swear to God I can't find anyone who says they voted for him, haha.
Lil Mike is the only person I have known that admits to voting for Nosferatu. Lil Mike always prefaced it with the bullshit Citizens Insurance reason.

I have friends that would rather be covered in honey and left tied down in front of fire ant mound for 3 days than vote for Obama. Those friends always change the subject when I bring up Scott.
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2012, 05:49:30 pm »

He is the worst elected official in my lifetime. That is quite an honor considering the amount of dumbasses that have held office.

What gets me is he is so blantant about rigging the election and stealing our tax dollars and still has some support. 

Guess who's behind the voter purge?

The Cock Brothers!

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If there were any lingering questions that Gov. Rick Scott's motivation for purging voters, this should put it to rest. Former Secretary of State Kurt Browning, who worked with Scott on cooking up the purge (and is no stranger to voter suppression, having kicked minority and Democratic voters off the lists in 2008), has close ties to an astroturf group funded by, you guessed it, David and Charles Koch. The guys who have committed hundreds of millions to defeat Barack Obama in November.
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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2012, 08:10:22 pm »

Guess who's behind the voter purge?

The Cock Brothers!


The hundreds of millions they've currently invested in beating Obama.  I look at that and just shake my head.  These same brothers, who in many of their plants employee people just at or below livable wages, could have made those same workers lives some what or much better by sprinkling them with some of that mad jack in a "trickle down" capacity.

But, ya gotta have priorities...and I guess as long as it's "your" money (implying completely earned all by themselves)...I guess they can piss it away as they see fit.

The same goes for Corp donors of Obama, who don't pay their workers much better than the Koch's do.  We really have doubled down on greed...just amazing.
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2012, 11:09:52 pm »

With your friends and acquaintances, have you ever had one admit they voted for him?  Out of all the different people I know, when on the rare occasion politics comes up...I swear to God I can't find anyone who says they voted for him, haha.

Lil Mike admitted to it...

he actually pretended to consider the other candidates too and then voted for the criminal..  but yeah, he's the only one I've ever seen to admit it..

and nutty, why wouldn't he be openly corrupt? We know what he did and still elected him.. he's got no reason to hide anything.. he's corrupt sure, but his corruptions benefits those in his party so they love him for it.. it's their way to 'stick it' to the communist Obama-lovers and the lame-stream media

I blame most of the ills today on Sarah Palin.. she (and her stupid 'get' ) was the one who was too stupid to understand that yes, the VP candidate, while usually the one to be the 'attack dog'.. aren't traditionally retarded,thin-skinned,trailer trash,jersey shore wannabe, fuck-wads who have so little class that can't understand how a 'gentlemen's' disagreement works.. She went full-cunt.. and you never go full-cunt..

and because of her stupid, we're in the shithole we're in now.. Now, the MSM can't even comment on an actual criminal without being label "Liberal Media".. She polarized this country and it's media and has condemned us all to the shit-pile while she laughs her stupid-cunty ass all the way to the bank..

and btw, her new look is hideous..
http://www.examiner.com/video/sarah-palin-sounds-off-on-walker-s-historic-win-wisconsin-obama-s-goose-is-cooked



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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2012, 10:08:00 am »

Lil Mike admitted to it...

Sure he did...but the lil Mike of those days is nothing near to the lil Mike of today...the lil Mike of today would make Iceman or Gryff look rational.

My...how the mighty have fallen...
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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2012, 10:25:39 pm »

Sure he did...but the lil Mike of those days is nothing near to the lil Mike of today...the lil Mike of today would make Iceman or Gryff look rational.

My...how the mighty have fallen...

true..

I hardly recognize him anymore..

it's sad.. I miss (old) him.
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2012, 07:15:28 pm »

Ricky sues the gubmiint:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV0ZKHHr7mc&feature=player_embedded

The gubmint sues Ricky. Can we just lock him up?

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The U.S. Justice Department is suing Florida after the state disregarded the federal government’s request to suspend its voter purge campaign. In a letter to the Florida Secretary of State, Assistant Attorney General Thomas Perez argues that Florida is violating the National Voter Registration Act and the Voting Rights Act. “Please immediately cease this unlawful conduct,” Perez writes. The full text of the letter is available HERE.
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2012, 10:32:26 pm »

oy vey..

we're going to win Maher's 'stupidest state' trophy..

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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2012, 10:39:30 am »

oy vey..

we're going to win Maher's 'stupidest state' trophy..



You mean we haven't already??
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« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2012, 02:20:02 pm »

Since 2000 to 2010, there have been 178 confirmed cases of voter fraud in Florida...178!  That is 17.8 a year, out of MILLIONS...and of those, several or more were deemed "non-fraudulent" in intent and more like "oops" moments.  That brings the number down even lower.  It is utterly insane to keep pretending that this is being done for the sake of upholding or securing the integrity of the vote.  To make sure the voter isn't having their ballot "diluted" by those gazillions of *fakers*.

The way this is being done comes off so corrupt.  I'm tired of the rhetoric behind the bullshit pandemics.  "My Gawd! It's like a plague! We have to get control of this noooowwwww!"

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« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2012, 04:38:26 pm »

I'm tired of the rhetoric behind the bullshit pandemics.  "My Gawd! It's like a plague! We have to get control of this noooowwwww!"



It's not worth it. The people who believe the bullshit are too dumb to realize it isn't that. They hide their stupidity behind "Well, who wants an illegal alien to vote?"
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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2012, 07:31:31 pm »



Well. Here's mine.

There’s an important issue missing in your review of Alcee Hasting’s claim that Rick Scott’s voter purge is a poll tax. An alarming number of older Floridians, many black and hispanic, don’t have birth certificates. For those born at home or through a mid-wife, proving birth is nearly impossible and expensive. For those, estimated to be 7% of the population; who just don’t have a birth certificate, including the poor, students and others who have just lost theirs through the years, the cost is still involved and can be anywhere from $10 - $30, which is a big chunk for many poor - not just the elderly. Then there's the time factor. Many states take up to three months to provide a Certificate of Live Birth; so therefore the requirement is, in fact, excessive, expensive, and in violation of the Voter’s Rights Act.

Taking this in context, your ruling should have been "Mostly True".


LOOKIE!

http://www.politifact.com/florida/article/2012/jul/26/mailbag-you-are-shills-vicious-fascist-governor/
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