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Today's winner of the BizarroAmerika2011 (we can only hope there will be no BizarroAmerika2012) award for CRAZIEST BILL EVER!: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/23/antiabortion-georgia-lawm_n_827340.html?fbwallAre lawmakers from the "women are chattel" set having some sort of nation-wide competition to see who can get the most sick-minded anti-abortion law enacted? Sure seems that way! Last week, a public outcry forced South Dakota lawmakers to shelve a bill that opened the possibility that abortion providers would be endangered by people who believed that killing them was a justifiable homicide. Today comes word that Georgia state Representative Bobby Franklin is shopping a bill that wouldn't just make abortion illegal in Georgia, it would criminalize miscarriages to boot.
Jen Phillips of Mother Jones -- which has of late been America's premier harbinger of this sort of cockamamie legislation -- has the details of a law that she terms "the apex...of woman-hating craziness":
I doubt that a bill that makes a legal medical procedure liable for the death penalty will pass.
Oh, wait, sorry! Did I forget to mention that the death penalty is involved here? My bad. That's precisely the sort of thing that you read about and do not want to believe it so fervently that, at first, your brain rejects it outright, as if it were some alien tissue grafted onto your medulla oblongata. Here's the relevant portion of the law itself:
'Prenatal murder' means the intentional removal of a fetus from a woman with an intention other than to produce a live birth or to remove a dead fetus; provided, however, that if a physician makes a medically justified effort to save the lives of both the mother and the fetus and the fetus does not survive, such action shall not be prenatal murder. Such term does not include a naturally occurring expulsion of a fetus known medically as a 'spontaneous abortion' and popularly as a 'miscarriage' so long as there is no human involvement whatsoever in the causation of such event.
(c) The act of prenatal murder is contrary to the health and well-being of the citizens of this state and to the state itself and is illegal in this state in all instances.
(d) Any person committing prenatal murder in this state shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction, shall be punished as provided in subsection (d) of Code Section 16-5-1...
As Phillips points out, the law also basically radically redefines personhood back to the zygote stage. So remember, in America, the optimal way of exercising your legal rights as a "person," it is best that you go straight from the womb to being a multimillion dollar, rent-seeking corporation.
(Just to review, the way this game is played is that a legislator will conceive of an absolutely insane anti-woman law, stoke outrage, then make a big show of relenting on the crazy part of the law in order to get what they want -- making abortion illegal -- enacted. They will then aver that this is the result of "negotiations" in which "all sides" have been "heard out" resulting in a "compromise.") |
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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2011, 09:46:43 pm » |
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there is something wrong with people..
this bill would force hospitals to 'report' to police any and all miscarriages so the police could investigate it..
what?
you say you want gov't to stay out of your life? but you want them to stop me and other strangers from having medical procedures AND investigate us all if we suffer from an medical emergency?
what is a matter with people..
I guess it's not them I should think un-kindly of, this guy is just doing what he promised he'd to once elected.. it's the fuck-nuts who elected him that I should really fear..
I want a bumper sticker that says "Oh yeah! well my big government only wants your money! Yours wants to police my bedroom,body and hospital visits!"
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2011, 10:32:34 am » |
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there is something wrong with people..
this bill would force hospitals to 'report' to police any and all miscarriages so the police could investigate it..
what?
you say you want gov't to stay out of your life? but you want them to stop me and other strangers from having medical procedures AND investigate us all if we suffer from an medical emergency?
what is a matter with people..
I guess it's not them I should think un-kindly of, this guy is just doing what he promised he'd to once elected.. it's the fuck-nuts who elected him that I should really fear..
I want a bumper sticker that says "Oh yeah! well my big government only wants your money! Yours wants to police my bedroom,body and hospital visits!"
Mass hysteria...(I hate this comparison and I'm sure lilMike will chime in, but it rings true) Much like Nazi Germany when Hitler convinced the people about the Jews. Simple, god-fearing, loving, people gone mad.... |
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2011, 10:12:27 pm » |
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Mass hysteria...(I hate this comparison and I'm sure lilMike will chime in, but it rings true)
Much like Nazi Germany when Hitler convinced the people about the Jews. Simple, god-fearing, loving, people gone mad....
How could I not chime in to yet another Hitler reference from you? What happened to that new age of civility we were all supposed to be swimming in? |
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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2011, 09:55:19 am » |
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How could I not chime in to yet another Hitler reference from you?
What happened to that new age of civility we were all supposed to be swimming in?
We're still civil, other than a lie from you here and there.... Can you explain the reason for the mass hysteria of the right wing, particularly teabaggers? I, for one, see a correlation to a political leader enraging the masses to levels of action previously unknown in the sane world to accomplish a goal. Perhaps I should have used Jim Jones as an example? |
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2011, 03:03:19 pm » |
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We're still civil, other than a lie from you here and there....
Can you explain the reason for the mass hysteria of the right wing, particularly teabaggers? I, for one, see a correlation to a political leader enraging the masses to levels of action previously unknown in the sane world to accomplish a goal.
Perhaps I should have used Jim Jones as an example?
That particular law has been critized by the right as well. Boortz spent a good part of last week talking about it. Somehow, I think downgrading a comparison from Hitler to Jim Jones is about as civil as you get! |
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2011, 06:20:20 pm » |
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Somehow, I think downgrading a comparison from Hitler to Jim Jones is about as civil as you get!
See? I looked and I looked and I looked. I found nothing from the conservative side of the fence criticizing this bill. I found a couple of sites mentioning Boortz mentioning the bill. Both refer back to each other as a source. I've seen the National Review and the above sites proclaim the bill a "Democratic plant", if that's any help to ya. Nowhere do I see condemnation from Fox, any of it's contributors (Palin, Huckabee, et al) or any Republican "front-runner". |
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2011, 08:17:14 pm » |
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See?
I looked and I looked and I looked. I found nothing from the conservative side of the fence criticizing this bill. I found a couple of sites mentioning Boortz mentioning the bill. Both refer back to each other as a source. I've seen the National Review and the above sites proclaim the bill a "Democratic plant", if that's any help to ya.
Nowhere do I see condemnation from Fox, any of it's contributors (Palin, Huckabee, et al) or any Republican "front-runner".
I didn't see the National Review article, but if they think the bill is a "democratic plant" that should tell you where they stand on the bill. |
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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2011, 09:42:19 am » |
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I didn't see the National Review article, but if they think the bill is a "democratic plant" that should tell you where they stand on the bill.
Sheesh! That's all ya got? You would think if the right wing would want to distance themselves from a crazy bill like this they'd be tossing on their three-pointed hats and screaming it from a pulpit somewhere! As opposed to passing it off as a "democratic plant", ya know... Silence. Deafening silence... |
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« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2011, 04:41:59 pm » |
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Sheesh! That's all ya got? You would think if the right wing would want to distance themselves from a crazy bill like this they'd be tossing on their three-pointed hats and screaming it from a pulpit somewhere! As opposed to passing it off as a "democratic plant", ya know...
Silence. Deafening silence...
You seem to think that every national Republican has to take a stand on a local bill. It seems that it's already gotten more national response than it deserves. Should you have to defend every crazy ordinance that San Franciso or Berkley? Please say yes... |
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« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2011, 04:49:09 pm » |
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You seem to think that every national Republican has to take a stand on a local bill. It seems that it's already gotten more national response than it deserves.
Should you have to defend every crazy ordinance that San Franciso or Berkley?
Please say yes...
No. There's a big difference between a city-wide ordinance in towns known for their craziness as opposed to a state-wide law in Georg................................................ Wait. nevermind! |
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