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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2011, 05:06:22 pm » |
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Wind, Solar,Bio diesel,natty gas... we've been led to believe they are all to expensive.. well duh, of course they are. Cars used to be expensive too. So were horses and wagons before that. Electricity used to be more expensive than now. Coal heating was a luxury. |
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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2011, 05:54:30 pm » |
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a. It'll be years before any oil we drill is available.
b. Our supplies, current and future, are incapable of handling our insatiable thirst.
a....not if we are sitting on a shit load of light sweet crude b....we have more than enough to sustain ourselves...unless you are one of those who beleive its dino debri...and the supply is limited. now...the maufacturers of the world's goods...they'll have a problem...but thats not us, anymore...is it...haha histories mysteries aren't that mysterious if you pay attention... |
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FooFa
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« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2011, 06:02:14 pm » |
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Also electric cars and such could have been developed with much more enthusiasm but the oil companies bought up all the patents on the batteries. I saw in a documentary that the same principle that shoots the canister to the bank teller can be used for high speed travel such as a long lunch break from LA to NYC but again there's obviously too much strong arming for non oil based ideas and technology. Solar powered homes, I'm glad are getting more practical and affordable.
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« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2011, 06:10:23 pm » |
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a....not if we are sitting on a shit load of light sweet crude
b....we have more than enough to sustain ourselves...unless you are one of those who beleive its dino debri...and the supply is limited.
now...the maufacturers of the world's goods...they'll have a problem...but thats not us, anymore...is it...haha
histories mysteries aren't that mysterious if you pay attention...
Wrong! It's a liberal estimation that it would be a minimum of 3 years before oil in the ground is ready, this is common knowledge. It has nothing to do with belief about the supply. Again, common sense tell's you that there is a limit to any natural resource and that's what has brought several civilizations to their end. |
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Howey
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« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2011, 06:19:40 pm » |
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Also electric cars and such could have been developed with much more enthusiasm but the oil companies bought up all the patents on the batteries. I saw in a documentary that the same principle that shoots the canister to the bank teller can be used for high speed travel such as a long lunch break from LA to NYC but again there's obviously too much strong arming for non oil based ideas and technology. Solar powered homes, I'm glad are getting more practical and affordable.
Please, Matt...what you're saying is partially true and partially not true. What's wrong with oil companies investing in future technologies? Nothing. You're referring to Chevron buying the patents to NiMh batteries, which a. gave them tons of research opportunities, and b. the patents expire in two years. Chevron, believe it or not, is at the forefront of alternative energy research: |
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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2011, 08:37:06 pm » |
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Please, Matt...what you're saying is partially true and partially not true. What's wrong with oil companies investing in future technologies? Nothing. You're referring to Chevron buying the patents to NiMh batteries, which a. gave them tons of research opportunities, and b. the patents expire in two years.
Chevron, believe it or not, is at the forefront of alternative energy research:
I'm all for them doing that but it's largely too little too late as I see it. My frustration with oil has more to do with the environmental disasters even aside from the gulf. Man's preoccupation with profit over people's lives is the bottom line, which for me there is no middle ground with. eta:That's a puff piece of marketing more than much substantial information. I gave you science on the alien which you didn't even acknowledge. tee hee |
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« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2011, 09:00:04 pm » |
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I'm all for them doing that but it's largely too little too late as I see it. My frustration with oil has more to do with the environmental disasters even aside from the gulf. Man's preoccupation with profit over people's lives is the bottom line, which for me there is no middle ground with.
eta:That's a puff piece of marketing more than much substantial information. I gave you science on the alien which you didn't even acknowledge. tee hee
hmm...i seen a video...and claims made....but no science per say and three years is a pretty quick turn over on oil production...plus providing a shit load of jobs... oil is plentyful...don't buy the bullshit...the earth continually generates it...its a natural occurrence |
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« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2011, 09:12:24 pm » |
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science oil is plentyful the earth continually generates it...its a natural occurrence
hmm...i seen claims made....but no science per say
Same here. Oil may be a natural occurrence, but how many millions of years does it make to make it plentiful? Isn't today's oil the product of millions of years of decay and compression of organisms within the ground? Like, shells, dinosaurs, cavemen, alien babies (for FooFa), vegetation, and such? Using your standards, boh, in two hundred years our ancestors will be dead. In fifty million years, our distant ancestors will be able to once again pilot their vehicles with fuel made from our remains. Until then? Let's think ahead and find some alternative sources of energy, ok? |
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« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2011, 09:34:10 pm » |
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Same here.
Oil may be a natural occurrence, but how many millions of years does it make to make it plentiful?
Isn't today's oil the product of millions of years of decay and compression of organisms within the ground? Like, shells, dinosaurs, cavemen, alien babies (for FooFa), vegetation, and such?
Using your standards, boh, in two hundred years our ancestors will be dead. In fifty million years, our distant ancestors will be able to once again pilot their vehicles with fuel made from our remains.
Until then? Let's think ahead and find some alternative sources of energy, ok?
we don't need to find them...we need to make them profitable....
b....we have more than enough to sustain ourselves...unless you are one of those who beleive its dino debri...and the supply is limited.
not my standards....but yours...don't try to lil mike me...i don't buy that bullshit... and i'm not pointing to scientific studies...just expressing my opinion about the issue... besides...the cycle is continuos...everyday new materials get added to the pressure cooker knucklehead... the planet didn't just stop its cycles after the dino's...it continued...and still does today...so i will in time...participate in the process...thats had millions of years of materials to reduce reuse and recycle whether we want it too or not... but you go on beleiving that this is some dino shit if you want...cause after all....thats how you/we have been programmed |
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« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2011, 08:34:01 am » |
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you are one of those who beleive its dino debri...and the supply is limited.
Aside from the fact that I actually said: Isn't today's oil the product of millions of years of decay and compression of organisms within the ground? Like, shells, dinosaurs, cavemen, alien babies (for FooFa), vegetation, and such? which makes you the winner of today's "lilMike Word Twisting Award". There's millions of things going into the creation of fossil fuels (funny how it's called that, huh?  ) Among them, plant life. How much of the plant life of our world has been destroyed in the past two hundred years? Will there be enough decaying plant life to produce fossil fuels for the next 50 million years to consume? See, boh: You're taking the Republican "If it works today..." stance. I'm thinking about tomorrow.... |
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« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2011, 02:18:12 pm » |
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Using your standards, boh, in two hundred years our ancestors will be dead. In fifty million years, our distant ancestors will be able to once again pilot their vehicles with fuel made from our remains.
i suppose this quote through me off a bit...as if you were suggesting no one would be driving until the next batch of oil had been created. as if the process has a off period, when it doesn't... i know...you think we...the lil protons of the planet are going to consume all the oil...its finite... because that is how you/we have been trained to think via propaganda...its bullshit but....thats just my opinion...not a lil mike twist |
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« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2011, 03:17:41 pm » |
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its finite...
Back about 150 years ago when oil was "discovered", the number of people on this earth was far fewer than now. Since that time, oil has been guzzled, guzzled, guzzled at an alarming rate. Believe it or not, the core of Earth is not a sloshing vat of oil. Oil, like diamonds, gold, and countless other minerals is not in infinite supply. Someday we will run out of it, or the cost of exploration for it will be prohibitive and damaging to the environment. I ask again: Why can we not explore alternative fuel sources now while we can? |
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« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2011, 05:48:27 pm » |
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Back about 150 years ago when oil was "discovered", the number of people on this earth was far fewer than now. Since that time, oil has been guzzled, guzzled, guzzled at an alarming rate.
because it is plentiful,der...alarming to who...?...those that have been programmed to accept what they're being told...eh
Believe it or not, the core of Earth is not a sloshing vat of oil. Oil, like diamonds, gold, and countless other minerals is not in infinite supply. Someday we will run out of it, or the cost of exploration for it will be prohibitive and damaging to the environment.
I ask again: Why can we not explore alternative fuel sources now while we can?
someday our sun will lose its power source too...so...lets just scrap the solar energy idea now...wait... thats an alternative energy source...there are alternative energy sources out there...they're just not profitable,yet... and in the future...the ones who will be able to exploit these resources will big oil comanies...who already are heavily invested in the energy markets...cause they'll be able to afford to mass produce whatever alternatives for our consumption... but only after they figure out how to control the technology and profit from it...til then its oil...and its oil because they know it is plentiful...and they have you/us believing its finite...as in will be out next decade or so...and you know deep down in your brain its not true...otherwise we would be drastically changing our patterns of behaviour... sure...a certain amount of change will be caused by the higher fuel prices and its affect on commerce...but thats to control the socio economic groups and to keep the lil people in check...and under the thumb of the elites...i need to stop this...i don't think i'm getting anywhere here... |
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Howey
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« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2011, 06:09:09 pm » |
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i need to stop this...i don't think i'm getting anywhere here...
Thank you....  |
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