Benghazigate

[Howey]

Ahh...Joe McCarthy would be so proud!

http://www.hulu.com/watch/488109

[ekg]

stewart had a great clip last night that kinda sums it all up at the end..

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-8-2013/the-big-benghazi-theory----if-

[Howey]

stewart had a great clip last night that kinda sums it all up at the end..

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-8-2013/the-big-benghazi-theory----if-

That's what I posted. 

[uselesslegs]

What the posers never, ever figure out, is that news is news...not what you make up.

They're always crying, "Well the liberal media won't cover it!"  But, beyond a *conspiracy to keep it from the public* they never question why if something was so damning, so replete with incredulous information...why ALL media, except for that in the conservative sphere, doesn't *cover it*...?  They want to imagine a cabal, somehow super connected throughout the entire world, that keeps even the foreign press in line with *liberal media propaganda.*  That's one hell of a fucking cabal man. 

Scandal, real scandal...and intrigue, real intrigue is, regardless of political affiliation, up for grabs by all *news.*  These assholes are crazy if they think some young or hungry investigative journalist wouldn't sell his grandma down the river for the story of the decade, or century.  Look. MSNBC or NBC might try to put a wedge between something huge and how it would reflect on "their guy, or girl" but not the kind of wedge that completely ignores any truth, just a deflective one...and other media isn't bound by any secret liberal pact.  That's bullshit...and I think even the conspiracy righters know that, but to make their conspiracy work...they have to at least act like it's plausible that the entire United States Media, and world media, are in on it...otherwise...the shit doesn't fly.

The first rule to any good conspiracy, is that there can be no limits placed on the amount of individuals or logistics involved in order to make the conspiracy work. If all astronauts, hollywood special effects crews, still photographers, NASA engineers, governmental personnel, hundreds of scientists directly or indirectly involved with the study and examination of moon rocks...must all be in collusion in order to make the moon landing fake...then by God...do it...and do it without batting an eye.

Fuck'in nutters.

[ekg]

What the posers never, ever figure out, is that news is news...not what you make up.

They're always crying, "Well the liberal media won't cover it!"  But, beyond a *conspiracy to keep it from the public* they never question why if something was so damning, so replete with incredulous information...why ALL media, except for that in the conservative sphere, doesn't *cover it*...?  They want to imagine a cabal, somehow super connected throughout the entire world, that keeps even the foreign press in line with *liberal media propaganda.*  That's one hell of a fucking cabal man. 

Scandal, real scandal...and intrigue, real intrigue is, regardless of political affiliation, up for grabs by all *news.*  These assholes are crazy if they think some young or hungry investigative journalist wouldn't sell his grandma down the river for the story of the decade, or century.  Look. MSNBC or NBC might try to put a wedge between something huge and how it would reflect on "their guy, or girl" but not the kind of wedge that completely ignores any truth, just a deflective one...and other media isn't bound by any secret liberal pact.  That's bullshit...and I think even the conspiracy righters know that, but to make their conspiracy work...they have to at least act like it's plausible that the entire United States Media, and world media, are in on it...otherwise...the shit doesn't fly.

The first rule to any good conspiracy, is that there can be no limits placed on the amount of individuals or logistics involved in order to make the conspiracy work. If all astronauts, hollywood special effects crews, still photographers, NASA engineers, governmental personnel, hundreds of scientists directly or indirectly involved with the study and examination of moon rocks...must all be in collusion in order to make the moon landing fake...then by God...do it...and do it without batting an eye.

Fuck'in nutters.

you make a good point..

the fact that our news media will harp on a story, taking it to the fucking nth degree of detail.. should be some kind of indicator as to what this whole 'Benghazi' thing really is. Seriously, I've seen neighbors of someone's uncle who met Jodi Arias when she was 7 interviewed.. accountants that worked in the same firm  12 years before Joe Blow came into to drink from the water fountain interviewed after Joe Blow blew up a soccer mom's suv..(that of course didn't happen, just showing the lengths of idiocy we'll go to to report any 'new' detail of a hot story).. WE've seen holograms,re-enactments,charts,bells,whistles... when the story is valid there is no length our media deems too far to go to get something 'new' on the story so they can be rating-champ of the week..

when its 'real' news and not 'taylor-made' rumor.. every news/entertainment outlet from Brian Williams to John Stewart to the TMZ will mention it,investigate it,delve into the intricacies.. or in the case of HLN and Jodi Arias, create entirely new programming to focus on just that story..

today on Foxnews.com there is this ranting about how everyone.. everyone.. is simply ignoring Obama and Clinton's murder of 4 people..

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/05/09/liberal-media-spin-benghazi-scandal-to-protect-team-obama/

they have about 12 major media sources on their list of conspirators... twelve.. entire media corporations all in colludes with each other to propagate a conspiracy.. the idea that every single one of the major media conglomerates are actively ignoring this story.. when we all know any one of them would club a pack of baby seals to get the scoop on a story 'larger than watergate and iran contra combined'.. is completely irrational and some kind of fucked up,polarizing,paranoia.. and when you put it on the larger,worldwide scale.. where not even the TMZ of British,Italian, or Russian media is touching this ignorant witch hunt.. the level of conspiracy/paranoia this would have to encompass, makes me wonder wtf is the water to make people this fucking terrified..



and that's what makes it so fucking brilliant... because it's working. Because of all the 'conspiracy' cries more and more outlets are talking about it just to prove there isn't a conspiracy.. which then gives credence to the whole myth to begin with.. even tho these outlets aren't reporting that there was a cover-up.. just the opposite. but just the mention of it on a reputable outlet gives the bullshit rumor more of a 'real story' standing.. and when you add in the real story that Darryll Issa, who is ringleader of the conspiracy charge, actually did do something(by voting no) to hamper security in Benghazi right before the attack is completely ignored becuase of all the 'fake' story being put out there.. well,I gotta give it them, it's a thing of beauty

here's a clue.. if you're the only media outlet, for months.. and after many,many,many hearings and investigations.. the only outlet reporting 'conspiracy'..it's not because you're the leader of the pack with a scoop the size of RRR's ego.. it's because you're the fucking National Enquirer and no body believes your bullshit anymore..

[reverend_darth]

it's because you're the fucking National Enquirer and no body believes your bullshit anymore..

Fuckin millions of low domes do.

[uselesslegs]

Fuckin millions of low domes do.

Therein lies the shit your pants factor. *Millions* of people are swallowing this crap, like it's the most well put together, well executed investigative story, showing all the *facts* in glaring neon, that any Senate hearing could possibly ask for.......and.....it's not.

What this is showing (has shown) is what security budget cuts, incompetence, CIA story shifting and the immediate expectations of the average citizen who sees conspiracy, look like as a big ball of fuck. I see people across the web, doing exactly what John Stewart pointed out, offering *what ifs* as absolute fact. And should you point out how *what if fact* number one doesn't jive as anything related to any kind of conspiracy...never fear...they have *what if fact* number two thru infinity ready to club you over the head with.

They can't understand, or won't...that the truth can be very convoluted or something short and sweet. But in both instances, the truth of a matter always end up in as perfect of a circle as humans beings can make. Sometimes a big circle, sometime a small one, but in either instance, as perfect of one that can be made. Meaning that seemingly innocuous (sometimes crazy) items and obvious ones discovered, once put in the proper order, always converge to make sense of one another as they relate to the truth of an investigation. And that the items that point towards and work together in determining those truths, have a finite end point of their offerings, as it relates to the truth being sought. 

Oh, but not to conspiracy jack offs.  EVERYTHING is part of the truth, even including all the items and offerings previously thought to help establish truth, that later are proven to derail it, gets to stay in the mix. Why? Who the fuck knows.  You'd think any reasonable person trying to establish x, y, and z as contributing factors to their overall assertion, would run like hell from anything that is proven to be a non-contribution or factually devastating to their search or claims. But these fuckers are positive they're going to make that square peg fit into that round hole, even if they have to pound that shit in there.  Here's the golden part. While they're pounding the shit out of that peg, to make it fit, they change and morph the rest of their claims and it becomes a never ending game of step on the hump in the rug. As soon as you push one down, another pops up. While information or many items can all end up interconnecting to arrive at a certain point, even in a seemingly disjointed manner until the interconnection reveals it's not as jumbled as initially perceived, conspiracy jack offs don't seem to possess the ability of knowing when to discard or regard something that contributes too or hurts their assertion.  Their perfect circle, is circular logic. A points to B, that disproves C, that seemingly proves D, that disproves A, that points to B, that disproves C, that seemingly proves D, that disproves fuck'in A!

[Howey]

Oh...this is going to drive Issa and his buddies absolutely more nuts!

The “whistleblowers” at today’s House Oversight Committee hearing on what really happened in Benghazi, Libya last September were supposed to break the dam that would lead to President Obama’s eventual downfall, in the eyes of conservatives. Instead, these witness actually served to debunk several theories that the right-wing has pushed on Benghazi, leaving the hearing a fizzle for the GOP:

1. F-16s could have been sent to Benghazi

Part of the prevailing theory surrounding the events the night of the Benghazi attacks is that the Obama administration did not do enough militarily to respond to the crisis. Gregory Hicks — a Foreign Service Officer and the former Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy in Libya — claimed during his pre-hearing testimony that fighter jets could have been flown over Benghazi, preventing the second wave of the attack from occurring.

Ranking Member Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) questioned that statement, asking Hicks whether he disagreed with Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff Gen Martin Dempsey’s assessment that no air assets were in range the night of the attack. Hicks didn’t disagree, saying he was “speaking from [his] perspective” and what “veteran Libyan revolutionaries” told him, rather than Pentagon assessments.

2. Hillary Clinton signed cables denying additional security to Benghazi

House Republicans came to the conclusion in their interim report on Benghazi that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton lied to them about what she knew and when during her testimony this January. This includes her statement that at no time was she aware of requests for additional security at the diplomatic facility in Benghazi prior to the attack.

Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) used her time to take issue with this claim, asking all three witnesses about standard protocol for cables leaving the State Department. All three agreed with Maloney, that the Secretary of State’s name is placed at the bottom of all outgoing cables and telegrams from Foggy Bottom, whether the Secretary has viewed them or not, shooting down the GOP claim.

3. A Special Forces Team that could have saved lives was told to stand down

One of the most shocking reveals in the lead-up to today’s hearing was that a team of Special Forces in Tripoli were told not to deploy to Benghazi during the attack. That decision has led to an uproar on the right, including claims of dereliction of duty towards Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey for not taking actions that could have saved lives.

During questioning, Hicks confirmed that the team was ready to be deployed — not to join the fighting at the CIA annex — but “to secure the airport for the withdrawal of our personnel from Benghazi after the mortar attack.” Hicks also confirmed that it was the second such team to be readied for deployment, with the first having proceeded to Benghazi earlier. Despite the second team not deploying, the staff was all evacuated first to Tripoli, then to Germany, within 18 hours of the attack taking place.

4. The State Department’s Accountability Review Board isn’t legitimate

Republicans have been attacking the State Department’s official in-house review of the shortcomings seen before, during, and after the assault in Benghazi. That criticism prompted House Republicans to write their own report. When asked point blank about the recommendations of the Board, however, the witnesses didn’t cooperate with the GOP narrative. “Absolutely,” Eric Nordstrom, the Regional Security Officer for Libya prior to the assault in Benghazi, answered when asked if he believes implementing the recommendations would improve security. “I had an opportunity to review that along with other two committee reports. I think taken altogether, they’re fairly comprehensive and reasonable.” Hicks, when questioned, said that while he had some issues with the process by which the Board gathered its information, he demurred on criticizing the report itself.

[ekg]

1. F-16s could have been sent to Benghazi

Part of the prevailing theory surrounding the events the night of the Benghazi attacks is that the Obama administration did not do enough militarily to respond to the crisis. Gregory Hicks — a Foreign Service Officer and the former Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy in Libya — claimed during his pre-hearing testimony that fighter jets could have been flown over Benghazi, preventing the second wave of the attack from occurring.

Ranking Member Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) questioned that statement, asking Hicks whether he disagreed with Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff Gen Martin Dempsey’s assessment that no air assets were in range the night of the attack. Hicks didn’t disagree, saying he was “speaking from [his] perspective” and what “veteran Libyan revolutionaries” told him, rather than Pentagon assessments.

what the fuck?

read that again...

notice it?

Gregory "whistleblower" Hicks  made FoxNews cum on their shoes by saying in 'pretrial' that f-16's could have saved everyone if Obama had just deployed them..OHhhhh they finally had it. They finally had that single peice that would end the Obama presidency. After months and months  they had their vindication with this 'whistle-blower'..


....but under sworn testimony.. when asked if he disagreed with with  the fucking Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff that no, no planes were available.. he, this 'whistle-blower' who just last week regaled Hannity,Beck,Rush et al with his 'inside,whistle blowing' knowledge said "Uh, no I don't disagree.. I was just saying I thought there could be planes because I know planes fly in the air ya know.. I've seen them.. so I uh, figured there could have been planes.. besides, a local Libyan guy agreed with me.. So uh, did I blow the whistle loud enough Mr. Issa?"..


asking Hicks whether he disagreed with Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff Gen Martin Dempsey’s assessment that no air assets were in range the night of the attack. Hicks didn’t disagree, saying he was “speaking from [his] perspective” and what “veteran Libyan revolutionaries” told him, rather than Pentagon assessments.


Holy-shit-fuck-balls... are you kidding me? This.. THIS is what we're down to now? Some fucking guy who wasn't even there until after the fact, who doesn't know shit and instead knowing any thing more than the Pentagon, just inserts his own opinion and the opinion of a local "Veteran" Libyan militia guy IE Goat herder....That's who is going to bring down the Obama presidency for it's worse than water-gate and iran-contra conspiracy?

we should be so fucking ashamed of ourselves right now..

[uselesslegs]

what the fuck?

we should be so fucking ashamed of ourselves right now..

This should make the people at Fox and their viewers bury themselves under 10 tons of ignorant shame...but it won't.  So what if science and strata layering prove there was no world wide flood, you can't prove it didn't happen the way the bible says.  WT everliving F?

You couldn't prove to the fake moon landers that we did in fact land on the moon, even if you took them there and showed them the foot prints, old buggy and landing pod equipment.  Doesn't matter. 

It's a crusade in the guise of a conspiracy. Because if they called it for what it really was which is one of many conspiratorial crusades to annihilate someone, namely President Obama...and also a potential candidate Hillary...it's exposed for exactly what people deny their interests are in it.

Every single "what if" will be treated as if it were peer reviewed or solidly vetted evidence.

A points to B, that disproves C, that seemingly proves D, that disproves A.  Praise Jebuz.

[ekg]

It's a crusade in the guise of a conspiracy. Because if they called it for what it really was which is one of many conspiratorial crusades to annihilate someone, namely President Obama...and also a potential candidate Hillary...it's exposed for exactly what people deny their interests are in it.

FF to 1:02




HA!

[Howey]

Nah...they're not politicizing it!

[ekg]

so why has Benghazi been scrubbed from Drudge?

Here's everything on his site today..

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what about Fox news.com?

http://www.foxnews.com/trending/

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wha? what? I mean isn't this iran-contra and watergate combined? aren't Obama and Clinton covering up... um, well we don't know what they are covering up yet because there haven't been enough investigation to find out what they're hiding.. but isn't this the biggest scandal to hit any president of the united states, like ever? shouldn't we be impeaching him over this yet? where is the MSM outrage? why isn't anyone covering this other than rebel-journalist like Fox, Drudge,Limbaugh?

and wait? I thought abc news had sources feeding them damning emails proving Obama and Clinton's coverup? I mean, that was the exclusive,red siren story this week wasn't it?

Exclusive: Benghazi Talking Points Underwent 12 Revisions, Scrubbed of Terror Reference

It's a damning piece of investigative journalism proving Obama, in collusion with Clinton, washed each others hands in trying to get Obama re-elected by lying to us on the talking points about Benghazi (yeah I know that makes no fucking sense 'scandal-wize' but it is what the right is losing their fucking minds over).. abc news finally had proof that would not only impeach Obama,but prevent HRC from ever holding any office again.. you can read the abc.com report  HERE<--


or was it?

The Benghazi attack is a political controversy. Republicans claim the administration watered down the facts in talking points given to U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice for television appearances while Obama was running for re-election. Republicans on Capitol Hill claimed they found proof in White House emails that they leaked to reporters last week. It turns out some of the quotes were wrong.

Republicans have charged that the State Department under Hillary Clinton was trying to protect itself from criticism. The White House released the real emails late Wednesday. Here's what we found when we compared them to the quotes that had been provided by Republicans.

One email was written by deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes.

On Friday, Republicans leaked what they said was a quote from Rhodes: "We must make sure that the talking points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department, and we don't want to undermine the FBI investigation."

But it turns out that in the actual email, Rhodes did not mention the State Department.

It read: "We need to resolve this in a way that respects all of the relevant equities, particularly the investigation."

Republicans also provided what they said was a quote from an email written by State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland.

The Republican version quotes Nuland discussing, "The penultimate point is a paragraph talking about all the previous warnings provided by the Agency (CIA) about al-Qaeda's presence and activities of al-Qaeda."

The actual email from Nuland says: "The penultimate point could be abused by members to beat the State Department for not paying attention to Agency warnings."

The CIA agreed with the concerns raised by the State Department and revised the talking points to make them less specific than the CIA's original version, eliminating references to al Qaeda and affiliates and earlier security warnings. There is no evidence that the White House orchestrated the changes.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57584947/wh-benghazi-emails-have-different-quotes-than-earlier-reported/

so wtf actually happened?

well, ABC news implied it read WH emails than they received for an anonymous source..

ABC News has obtained 12 different versions of the talking points that show they were extensively edited as they evolved from the drafts first written entirely by the CIA to the final version distributed to Congress and to U.S.

and

White House emails reviewed by ABC News suggest the edits were made with extensive input from the State Department.


the problem is, they didn't have the emails like they claimed.. they had a GOP staffers notes on the emails..get that? Notes taken by a Republican staffer.. not the emails, but the notes someone took of the emails. and then leaked to ABC News as damning evidence miraculously after the 'whistleblower' bombshells turned out to be duds that only reinforced Obama/Clinton/State and CIA....  and in those notes, certain phrases and words were added to 'conversations' to make the WH look like they and the State Dept were in collusion with each other to defraud the country of information on the attacks..

abc news, salivating at becoming the news Foxnews.. just decided to call the GOP staffer-notes actual emails...because they never expected the WH to release the actual emails... turns out, that gamble just blew up in their face..

the atlantic has narrowed down who abc's source could be..

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/05/so-who-lied-abc-news-about-benghazi-emails/65350/

The report says Rice "was informed that the talking points were created for Congressional members, and modified to protect State Department equities and the FBI investigation." The phrase "State Department equities" is awfully close to the language of the summaries provided to ABC's Jonathan Karl, as well as the justification of the summaries. Only House Intelligence Committee chair Mike Rogers was both on the committee that saw the emails and signed the House report, but obviously the report, and the "equities" line, could be based on the emails of many representatives' staffers.

But to make such a bold statement calling someone out without any facts, would lessen the integrity of a news corporation..something ABC is finding out about this weekend..

LOL.. the GOP forging emails now.. who would have thought they'd stoop to that.

[uselesslegs]

Here's the difference.

Whether we liked it or not. Whether it caused our respective private parts to fall off. Whether it was the most distasteful, bitter, shit-tasting piece of reality we ever had to swallow...if all this panned out to be true...WE, would force that fucker down. We'd hate it. But if that's what actual reality was...we'd accept it for what it was (begrudgingly) and prepare for the onslaught of, "HAHA LEFTY! WE TOLD YOU OBUMMER WAS THE ANTI-CHRIST!!!, AAAHAHAHAHAHA!"

Now reverse it.  Benghazi isn't/hasn't panned out to be the conspiracy ridden shadow of shame the fringe have been going balls to the wall over, as if it were indeed reality...before they even knew if it was reality.  So what do we get? Crickets.  Not a word. Utter silence.

The IRS debacle? It's been portrayed as a Dem *policy*, replete, once again, with intrigue and manipulation/involvement at the *highest levels*, with (once again) the conclusion before...the conclusion.  As it's starting to already lose some legs and they quickly switch gears into linking the IRS and...Obamacare (oi)...what about the previous on-fire insinuation of *highest level* involvement?  Not a peep. Not one single fart about, "well, guess the finger pointing we were/are engaging in...ummm...is turning out to be off the mark...a bit" Shhhhhhh.

They (the fringe) by and large, are incapable of parting their lips and swallowing even an ounce of the reality, that turns out to be...the actual reality...and not the one they prefer.  They can't. It's impossible for them. The rare apology, is laden with so much back hand, that the apology isn't even an attempt...it's just some fucked up idea of effort to seem honorable in light of the prevailing reality.  Fuck, Jeoffery does a better job of seeming sincere. For the other 99 percent of the fringe? Ain't gonna happen.  Nope. You cooked the eggs wrong bitch, you had every bit of that fist to your fucking face coming.

[Howey]

Who's Jeoffrey?

It's not just the fringe, Chuck, it's all of them. Boehner's yelling for impeachment and jail time.