Message #18947

[ekg]

nutty, I agree with what you're saying.  Thru the Bush years I spent so much time railing on this very issue.. only to be told "quit being so hyperbolic, FISA will prevent any corruption because fISA will always approve any request so there's no need to go around them"(like that's any better)..

I was bombarded with 'you're being ekg again on a non-issue, if you follow this to it's logical conclusion(this is my fav argument btw), then you'll see the only thing at the end is stopping terror"..

lilmike,mickey,wrongo,gordo.. even the so-called resident 'libertarian'.. none of them cared and all blamed me for trying to make a big deal out of it...much like the MSM was made into the bad guys for mentioning it during the same years..

my warning was always this "One day it won't be your president who is using these powers and then what?"..

so that day is here... does anyone really care? I don't think so. I think some of us liberals look around and say "I don't like it, but I trust Obama... now if this was Sen Cruz or Dick Cheney well then I'd have to start a war".. and idk if they're wrong.. they're not totally right, but definitely not totally wrong either..we know Obama's an adult who thinks things thru so we say "I trust him".. idiotic I know because what happens when it's not our president, but that's the truth of it I think..

because of the techie world we're going to be living in for the rest of our lives we're going to be fighting these issues.. there is going to have to be a change in the constitution before to long to encompass all the technology that's available now and what will become available.. because think about it, is it really spying if the gov't can turn your cell phone on and listen to you thru you're speaker phone? Is that mentioned in the constitution as being a huge 'no-no'? or has technology surpassed the laws on the books.. sure it might be illegal now that we know about it, but was it then? Was what Rupert Murdoch's son did with his phone-hacking illegal or just immoral.. I'm sure now it's illegal but was it then?

I understand your angst because I had it just as strongly a cpl years ago when it was teh CIA doing all the lying and bullshitting... the problem is nobody cared then and no body cares now.. we've been fed a load of horse-shit for so long that we're fat,lazy, and Un-involved... it doesn't look good for the republic when you look out over the decades.... but maybe somewhere along the way we'll care again and get back what we've freely given away.