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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2011, 09:42:25 am » |
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They can. Which seems to make one of my points. Thanks.
Ahhhhh...I see where you're coming from. Barbour's right because somewhere out there there is a welfare recipient driving an old beat up BMW drawing benefits and such. So, concievably, it is possible that person could possibly drive up to a pharmacy window and complain about not paying their co-pay. But that's still not definitive. Barbour's statement is a statement of fact: "We have people pull up at the pharmacy window in a BMW and say they can't afford their co-payment." So where's his proof of that fact? As I said... Given the regularity of pharmacies being robbed, wouldn't that pharmacy window have a camera? Wouldn't that camera be taking a picture of the welfare queen in her shiny new Bimmer while she's whining she can't afford her co-payment?
Wouldn't whomever passed this little gem of information along to Barbour (unless it was his speechwriter remembering the good ol' days when Barbour worked for Reagan) have had the tape of the welfare queen in her shiny new Bimmer whining she can't afford her co-payment? Until that shows up, Barbour's words will be lumped in with the lies of his fellow candidate, Gov. Mike. |
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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2011, 11:55:21 am » |
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Many people live above their means and when they make more they end up in the same shape as before. I'm not as invested in the bmw statement but it sounds like a simple point which is that you generally wouldn't think of someone driving one to be in dire financial straits.
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« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2011, 08:35:02 pm » |
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Ahhhhh...I see where you're coming from. Barbour's right because somewhere out there there is a welfare recipient driving an old beat up BMW drawing benefits and such.
So, concievably, it is possible that person could possibly drive up to a pharmacy window and complain about not paying their co-pay.
But that's still not definitive. Barbour's statement is a statement of fact:
So where's his proof of that fact? As I said...
Until that shows up, Barbour's words will be lumped in with the lies of his fellow candidate, Gov. Mike.
If, accepting your proposition, that Barbour's comment is a "statement of fact" then you would need a statement of fact to disprove it. All you are saying is that Barbour hasn't proven his statement, but neither have you. That doesn't make Barbour correct but it doesn't make him a liar. Particularly since we don't know what the origin of that statement is. You guys on the left really misuse the word lie. It's like you really don't know what it means. |
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« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2011, 08:48:57 pm » |
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it is odd...
while he admits it is possible...
he still maintains the statement is an out right lie...
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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2011, 09:19:01 am » |
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If, accepting your proposition, that Barbour's comment is a "statement of fact" then you would need a statement of fact to disprove it. All you are saying is that Barbour hasn't proven his statement, but neither have you. That doesn't make Barbour correct but it doesn't make him a liar. Particularly since we don't know what the origin of that statement is.
You guys on the left really misuse the word lie. It's like you really don't know what it means.
it is odd...
while he admits it is possible...
he still maintains the statement is an out right lie...
Statement of Fact
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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2011, 03:01:14 pm » |
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A statement of fact...
there was an article written....fact...
it exposed no lie....fact...
lets examine it this way....howie
lets say you relate an expirence you had...i can't disprove it...nor can you prove it,
to the standards you are holding others too...should i just dismiss your attempt
to share your life experience with me based on your own view of how something is judged true or not ?
if so...is it fair to you...when you know in your heart it is the truth...just because you can't back it up with a photograph or audio recording...or even a witness ?
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« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2011, 04:01:14 pm » |
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A statement of fact...
there was an article written....fact...
it exposed no lie....fact...
lets examine it this way....howie
lets say you relate an expirence you had...i can't disprove it...nor can you prove it,
to the standards you are holding others too...should i just dismiss your attempt
to share your life experience with me based on your own view of how something is judged true or not ?
if so...is it fair to you...when you know in your heart it is the truth...just because you can't back it up with a photograph or audio recording...or even a witness ?
I understand and even agree with you in part.. but that's not what this is.. The comment he made..
"We have people pull up at the pharmacy window in a BMW and say they can't afford their co-payment."he used as a fact and the reason why the states are so over budget and why they need new regulation.. So to ask him to prove this statement of fact that he made, is acceptable.. the actual context.. Last month, the nation's Republican governors wrote to the president and congressional leaders, asking for those rules to be removed. They revived the issue with their fellow governors. "I had to come up with $540 million to plug the Medicaid hole. I think we have gotten way too liberal with eligibility," Iowa Gov. Terry Brandstad (R) said. "The federal government, with the maintenance of effort, has really tied our hands."
Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour (R) said states should also be free, for instance, to compel Medicaid patients to pay for part of their medicine, saying, "We have people pull up at the pharmacy window in a BMW and say they can't afford their co-payment." he states this as a fact and a reason for wanting legislation.... and yet cannot be questioned on it? I disagree.. of course there could be 100 valid and non-nefarious reasons for this person to be in a bmw and have no copay money.. but he's not talking about those reasons, by using the example the way he did,he saying there isn't a valid reason and he's asking for legislation in return.. and that's the difference here.. had he just said it, then fine.. but he's using them as the reason he should be allowed to do something.. well prove they exist and maybe we'll give you what you ask for..if they are in such an overwhelming majority as to be driving entire states budget into the ground, there should be some proof... yeah.. he totally deserves questioning on this.. and the label given to him for not being able to prove his fact.. |
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« Reply #23 on: March 14, 2011, 03:43:00 pm » |
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Barbour doesn't have an iPhone? Snap a pick of that shit or better yet...walk up to the person in question and ask them where they got a sweet deal, like paying 25 bucks for a Beamer and then ask them how the fuck they pay for insurance. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Barbour saw no such thing, or personally knows of no such thing...but I wasn't there, so "if" wins by a slim margin.
There will ALWAYS be people, in ANY entitlement program, that probably shouldn't be there. Don't starve the rest to punish the assholes. I'm all for removing fraud and non-means based participants.
I just recently had to prove I was all crippled up to keep receiving my cat food meatloaf allotment. I don't mind jumping through stupid f'in hoops, if it keeps the playing field honest. All I ask is that they pass the hoop over me as I'm flopping out of my chair.
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« Reply #24 on: March 14, 2011, 03:58:28 pm » |
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There will ALWAYS be people, in ANY entitlement program, that probably shouldn't be there. Don't starve the rest to punish the assholes. I'm all for removing fraud and non-means based participants.
Just think what it would be like if everyone had to live up to the Republican standard. We'd all be philandering, closeted, smoking, fake-tanned liars. |
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