Don't Do It, Barack

[Howey]

Please don't give in to the teabaggers...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/debt-limit-republicans_n_4077954.html

WASHINGTON -- Republican House leaders Thursday offered the president and Senate far less than they want in the ongoing financial standoff, presenting a six-week hike of the debt limit, but no deal to reopen the shuttered federal government.

President Barack Obama and Senate Democrats have repeatedly argued that they will not negotiate with the GOP on the budget until the government is reopened and the House stops using the $16.7 trillion debt limit as a lever to extract concessions. The limit is expected to be reached Oct. 17, but the House bill would push the debt ceiling back to around Thanksgiving.

"What we want to do is offer the president today the ability to move a temporary increase in the debt ceiling, an agreement to go to conference on the budget, for his willingness to sit down and discuss with us a way forward to reopen the government, and start to deal with America's pressing problems," House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) told reporters on Capitol Hill.

"I would hope that the president will look at this as an opportunity and a good-faith effort on our part to move halfway, halfway to what he's demanding in order to have these conversations," he continued.

BULLFUCKINSHIT!

[Susie Chutzpah]

He's an awful President and a failure of a leader.

I would be embarrassed to support such a small, hateful little person.

[ekg]

He's an awful President and a failure of a leader.

I would be embarrassed to support such a small, hateful little person.

you should be embarrassed for your lack of sanity instead...

I'm not saying BHO is the best President we've ever had.. I'm not saying he's the best leader we've ever had.. but he damn sure isn't 'awful' and neither is he lacking in leadership abilities..

When it comes to homeland security he's been a stellar leader.. surprisingly so in fact.. But when it comes to domestic issues, he's done what any moderate (yes I said moderate) President should do (even to the chagrin of his own party)... He's tried to include everyone from every party no matter how minority they are and he's left their issues up to them to fix. This whole mess going on right now has nothing, not a fucking thing to do with anything other than Tea Party politics... That's not something Obama can fix unless you want him to be the real dictator he's been labeled as an just executive order and 14th amendment shit to get the ball rolling.. would that be the kind of leader you want him to be.?


would I like him to be  a little more forceful and less 'bending'? absolutely.. but I'm not as moderate (yes I said moderate again) as he is.. and I don't have a country full of left,right,far-left,far-right and center to work for..

So far he's stood his ground on this issue, after being burned by the GOP last time... and the GOP has caved. No longer are the railing about defunding Obamacare.. like that was going happen... Now they're trying to pivot away from that argument..

I don't know what you call it when someone forces the other side to retreat from their threatened position... but I call it good leadership.

be angry at the idiot GOP.. it's them who have fucked up this time and no amount of Obama-hating is going to change that.. on another issue you may have a point.. this one? nope, just delusional Fox news ideology..

[uselesslegs]

Here's the reality we're working with...he's the stepchild.  The bad will always overshadow the good. Oh wait, I forgot...he's President Obama...there is no *good.*  Let me display here how extreme it gets.

NSA...Baaaddd.

Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending...Didn't know, don't care, baaaddd.

IRS...Baaaddd.

Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices...Didn't know, don't care, baaaddd.

A real control freak about allowing journalists access to Oval Office...baaaddd.

Making more loans available to small businesses...Didn't know, don't care, baaaddd.

I could do this for awhile...but do you see the pattern?  There are items where the President can be called out legitimately and their are items that are either purposely or ignorantly ignored or dismissed altogether, that would put some checks in the *good* column.  You know why? Because then the illusion needed to support the legitimacy of the hate and loathing, would then have to shift into the bit more complicated arena of reality of nuance.  He's done things we like and things we don't...and their can't be absolutes with that silly bit of reality in the mix, tisk, tisk.

We can debate policy all day...but the conclusion the he's the "worst President in United States history" (and what actually qualifies a statement like that)...is an opinion at best. And not anything even remotely collaborated by Presidential historians.

[paddymcdougall]

Here's the reality we're working with...he's the stepchild.  The bad will always overshadow the good. Oh wait, I forgot...he's President Obama...there is no *good.*  Let me display here how extreme it gets.

NSA...Baaaddd.

Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending...Didn't know, don't care, baaaddd.

IRS...Baaaddd.

Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices...Didn't know, don't care, baaaddd.

A real control freak about allowing journalists access to Oval Office...baaaddd.

Making more loans available to small businesses...Didn't know, don't care, baaaddd.

I could do this for awhile...but do you see the pattern?  There are items where the President can be called out legitimately and their are items that are either purposely or ignorantly ignored or dismissed altogether, that would put some checks in the *good* column.  You know why? Because then the illusion needed to support the legitimacy of the hate and loathing, would then have to shift into the bit more complicated arena of reality of nuance.  He's done things we like and things we don't...and their can't be absolutes with that silly bit of reality in the mix, tisk, tisk.

We can debate policy all day...but the conclusion the he's the "worst President in United States history" (and what actually qualifies a statement like that)...is an opinion at best. And not anything even remotely collaborated by Presidential historians.

applause to you and to EKG. Well said, both of you.

On another msg board (not JPP), someone keeps calling Pres. Obama "the occupier" even though we point out he got over 50% of the popular vote - twice. He's one of those that just screams he's awful no matter what he does.

And you know what? It really discredits any comments from him when he does that.

[ekg]

applause to you and to EKG. Well said, both of you.

On another msg board (not JPP), someone keeps calling Pres. Obama "the occupier" even though we point out he got over 50% of the popular vote - twice. He's one of those that just screams he's awful no matter what he does.

And you know what? It really discredits any comments from him when he does that.

exactly..

Like Chuck said... we have many 'bones' we could happily pick with the President.. but when we've had to spend what 6 years now arguing that Yes, he was born in the US.. and No, he's not Kenyan.. it gets to the point where the 'other' side is so fucking retarded in their arguments that we don't have the time to argue real issues we have with him..