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« on: December 29, 2013, 06:11:26 pm »

Turns out they were wrongo. Again...

Months of investigation by The New York Times, centered on extensive interviews with Libyans in Benghazi who had direct knowledge of the attack there and its context, turned up no evidence that Al Qaeda or other international terrorist groups had any role in the assault. The attack was led, instead, by fighters who had benefited directly from NATO’s extensive air power and logistics support during the uprising against Colonel Qaddafi. And contrary to claims by some members of Congress, it was fueled in large part by anger at an American-made video denigrating Islam.

A fuller accounting of the attacks suggests lessons for the United States that go well beyond Libya. It shows the risks of expecting American aid in a time of desperation to buy durable loyalty, and the difficulty of discerning friends from allies of convenience in a culture shaped by decades of anti-Western sentiment. Both are challenges now hanging over the American involvement in Syria’s civil conflict.

The attack also suggests that, as the threats from local militants around the region have multiplied, an intensive focus on combating Al Qaeda may distract from safeguarding American interests.

In this case, a central figure in the attack was an eccentric, malcontent militia leader, Ahmed Abu Khattala, according to numerous Libyans present at the time. American officials briefed on the American criminal investigation into the killings call him a prime suspect. Mr. Abu Khattala declared openly and often that he placed the United States not far behind Colonel Qaddafi on his list of infidel enemies. But he had no known affiliations with terrorist groups, and he had escaped scrutiny from the 20-person C.I.A. station in Benghazi that was set up to monitor the local situation.

Mr. Abu Khattala, who denies participating in the attack, was firmly embedded in the network of Benghazi militias before and afterward. Many other Islamist leaders consider him an erratic extremist. But he was never more than a step removed from the most influential commanders who dominated Benghazi and who befriended the Americans. They were his neighbors, his fellow inmates and his comrades on the front lines in the fight against Colonel Qaddafi.

To this day, some militia leaders offer alibis for Mr. Abu Khattala. All resist quiet American pressure to turn him over to face prosecution. Last spring, one of Libya’s most influential militia leaders sought to make him a kind of local judge.

Fifteen months after Mr. Stevens’s death, the question of responsibility remains a searing issue in Washington, framed by two contradictory story lines.

One has it that the video, which was posted on YouTube, inspired spontaneous street protests that got out of hand. This version, based on early intelligence reports, was initially offered publicly by Susan E. Rice, who is now Mr. Obama’s national security adviser.

The other, favored by Republicans, holds that Mr. Stevens died in a carefully planned assault by Al Qaeda to mark the anniversary of its strike on the United States 11 years before. Republicans have accused the Obama administration of covering up evidence of Al Qaeda’s role to avoid undermining the president’s claim that the group has been decimated, in part because of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden.

The investigation by The Times shows that the reality in Benghazi was different, and murkier, than either of those story lines suggests. Benghazi was not infiltrated by Al Qaeda, but nonetheless contained grave local threats to American interests. The attack does not appear to have been meticulously planned, but neither was it spontaneous or without warning signs.

Mr. Abu Khattala had become well known in Benghazi for his role in the killing of a rebel general, and then for declaring that his fellow Islamists were insufficiently committed to theocracy. He made no secret of his readiness to use violence against Western interests. One of his allies, the leader of Benghazi’s most overtly anti-Western militia, Ansar al-Shariah, boasted a few months before the attack that his fighters could “flatten” the American Mission. Surveillance of the American compound appears to have been underway at least 12 hours before the assault started.

The violence, though, also had spontaneous elements. Anger at the video motivated the initial attack. Dozens of people joined in, some of them provoked by the video and others responding to fast-spreading false rumors that guards inside the American compound had shot Libyan protesters. Looters and arsonists, without any sign of a plan, were the ones who ravaged the compound after the initial attack, according to more than a dozen Libyan witnesses as well as many American officials who have viewed the footage from security cameras.
The C.I.A. Annex

A 20-person team from the Central Intelligence Agency is in the compound known as the Annex, about a half-mile from the mission, where the security officers Tyrone S. Woods and Glen A. Doherty are later killed.

The Benghazi-based C.I.A. team had briefed Mr. McFarland and Mr. Stevens as recently as the day before the attack. But the American intelligence efforts in Libya concentrated on the agendas of the biggest militia leaders and the handful of Libyans with suspected ties to Al Qaeda, several officials who received the briefings said. Like virtually all briefings over that period, the one that day made no mention of Mr. Abu Khattala, Ansar al-Shariah or the video ridiculing Islam, even though Egyptian satellite television networks popular in Benghazi were already spewing outrage against it.

Members of the local militia groups that the Americans called on for help proved unreliable, even hostile. The fixation on Al Qaeda might have distracted experts from more imminent threats. Those now look like intelligence failures.

More broadly, Mr. Stevens, like his bosses in Washington, believed that the United States could turn a critical mass of the fighters it helped oust Colonel Qaddafi into reliable friends. He died trying.
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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2013, 07:08:41 pm »

*Copy and pasted from a Huffpo thread. I can't find anything inaccurate as this point."

Of course anything that goes against the cleverly stage managed narrative that is short of only a few things, those being facts, will raise the hackles of Mike Rogers, the make believe conspiracy theory, no matter how convoluted and no matter how much has to be changed to allow it to fit into a framework of believability, is the truth. The whole made up truth so help them whoever.

There are interviews with people who attended meetings on the day of the assault on the compound, where they warned that an assault due to the incendiary nature of that video being broadcast on News networks throughout the Middle East and Northern Africa would have consequences.

There were 13 embassies under siege on the same day worldwide not counting Benghazi.

There were 24 mass protests about that video that were staged throughout European the Middle East and Asia.

Hundreds of local security forces lost their lives protecting embassies in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Indonesia, the Philippines, keeping Americans safe from the consequences of that video.

The ambassador to Egypt apologized and pleaded for calmness ahead of the riots and protests worldwide before what happened in Benghazi.

Protests had broken out throughout the day outside the compound over that video and the security wall was breached as people came and went taking photo’s and video’s but none of that fits the narrative.

Marines were deployed before the mortar assaults and one marine received the Silver Star medal for his bravery during the assault but according to the narrative they were told to stand down.

The entire narrative was beaten up to give Mitt Romney a wedge issue to eke out an electoral win, the original narrative was that the president didn’t call it an act of terror but Candy Crowley wouldn’t allow such nonsense then please proceed Mitt fell apart.

Then it became a cover-up, stand down orders, the video had nothing to do with it and it was Al Qaeda or any combination that proved useful.

When in fact the original version was as close to the truth as has been proven and everything else is a conspiracy built on other conspiracies without a base foundation in reality.

You’ve all been caught out lying for political gain and using the lives of the fallen as political footballs.

Shame on all of you, our heroes have been defiled by you for cheap politics.
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2013, 07:47:32 pm »

Funny thing is i read this yesterday but not a conservative anywhere said anything.
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2013, 07:54:37 pm »

I noticed this as well.  The one thing I see making the rounds is that this is among the first attempts to whitewash Hillary's role....oi.
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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2013, 01:58:26 pm »

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Shortly after the convoy arrived around 5 a.m., the C.I.A. Annex came under a new attack: the mortar rounds the guards had feared. Within 90 seconds, five had landed, the last three hitting the roof of the main building.

Almost all of the Libyan fighters who had insisted on accompanying the Americans from the airport fled immediately.

Two American security guards, Tyrone S. Woods and Glen A. Doherty, were killed by the mortar shells. Mr. Stevens and Sean Smith, an information officer, suffocated in the burning of the main villa in the diplomatic compound.



Fox has always said, along with the GOP'ers on the various shows.. that the two American security guards, were killed at the compound with Stevens..  but they weren't, they did make it to the CIA annex and were attacked (again) there hours after the initial attack on the diplomatic compound...

also.. Chuck.. the only thing of 'question' in your copied post is this part

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Marines were deployed before the mortar assaults and one marine received the Silver Star medal for his bravery during the assault but according to the narrative they were told to stand down.

This article doesn't mention marines, but says instead a 'security officers/team' of 7, that was sent from Tripoli

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Back in Tripoli, American diplomats scrambled to make sense of the news out of Benghazi. Many learned of Ansar al-Shariah’s existence from social media during the attack. They sent seven security officers to Benghazi in a borrowed Libyan cargo jet.

of course that could be marines, but they don't make it sound like it was..and they weren't told to 'stand down' which we all knew was 'Fox hates HRC' bullshit.. but they were held up, but by Libyan leaders.. not American.. They were held up for 4hrs it looks like..for a damn photo-op..

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Embassy officials had arranged for the team to be met by Fathi al-Obeidi, a trusted lieutenant of Mr. Bin Hamid of Libya Shield. But when the jet landed around 1 a.m., seemingly every commander in Benghazi was competing for the honor of escorting the Americans, even those who did nothing to stop the attack, including Mr. Bin Hamid himself.

A group from the Preventive Security Brigade, led that night by Mr. Abu Khattala’s old friend Mr. Bargathi, insisted on coming, and held the team up for hours on the tarmac, Mr. Obeidi said. And instead of the low-profile escort the Americans had sought, a parade of nearly a dozen pickup trucks ultimately joined them.

Shortly after the convoy arrived around 5 a.m., the C.I.A. Annex came under a new attack: the mortar rounds the guards had feared. Within 90 seconds, five had landed, the last three hitting the roof of the main building

the security team got to the airport a 1am.. but were made to wait 4 hrs because of Libyan bullshit-'look who I'm escorting' politicians..

sure don't see Fox news reporting that..





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also.. Chuck.. the only thing of 'question' in your copied post is this part





LOL... I'm not nitpicking... I just know how the 'opposition' thinks.. if one thing is misspoken then it's of course all lies..
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LOL... I'm not nitpicking... I just know how the 'opposition' thinks.. if one thing is misspoken then it's of course all lies..

I never assumed you were. If you caught something I missed, feel free to correct away!
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2013, 07:14:58 pm »

I noticed this as well.  The one thing I see making the rounds is that this is among the first attempts to whitewash Hillary's role....oi.

OH! It's more than that!

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/one-misguided-theory-deserves-another

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Given how much Republicans have invested in Benghazi conspiracy theories, it’s hardly surprising to see some pushback against the New York Times’ comprehensive report over the weekend. Indeed, the coverage leaves GOP arguments completely discredited, making criticism of the report inevitable.
 
But GOP lawmakers will have to do better than this.

Rep. Lynn Westmoreland (R-GA), a member of the House Intelligence Committee, on Monday accused the New York Times of using its investigation into the Benghazi attack as a way to boost a potential 2016 run for former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
 
“Of course Secretary Clinton was in charge at the time, and you know there are just now a lot of rumors going and pushing about her running for president in 2016,” he said on Fox News, as recorded by the Hill. “So I think they are already laying the groundwork.”
 
Westmoreland, who disputed the report, said that the Times could only have written such a piece due to political motivations.
When a conspiracy theory is debunked, its proponents have a few options to consider. They can look for additional evidence to bolster their argument; they can reevaluate their theory in light of the new information; they can even accept reality and move on to something else.
 
But Westmoreland has adopted a far sillier posture: as one conspiracy theory is discredited, his idea is to raise the specter of an even grander conspiracy theory.
 
Yes, in the eyes of the Georgia congressman, the New York Times’ comprehensive report was published, not to provide the public with accurate information, but as part of an elaborate scheme to help advance Hillary Clinton’s national ambitions.
 
“We are not quite as used to this kind of political machine as the president and the Clinton’s have, and so I think they are just laying the groundwork and trying to absolve [Clinton] from the lack of security that was sent over there, the number of requests for security that was turned down,” Westmoreland said.
 
It’s not entirely clear who the Republican was referring to with “they.” It could refer to Clinton and her allies, the New York Times, or both. (As conspiracy theories get more elaborate, keeping track of details like these necessarily gets more complicated.)
 
It’s worth noting, of course, that Westmoreland – a sitting member of the House Intelligence Committee – has no evidence to substantiate any of this. He simply decided to go on national television and accuse one of the world’s preeminent news organizations of lying to the public as part of a broader scheme to influence a presidential election three years in advance.
 
What’s more, it’s not clear that Westmoreland actually read the Times piece he disapproves of. Indeed, the article isn’t exactly a gift to Hillary Clinton – sure, it leaves Republican arguments looking silly, but as we discussed this morning, it also paints an unflattering picture of State Department decision-making in the period leading up to the deadly 2012 attack.
 
If the newspaper were engaged in a deliberate effort to “absolve” the former Secretary of State, why would the NYT’s report cast Clinton’s State Department in a negative light? It wouldn’t.
 
Maybe the right should take a moment to reevaluate. When Republicans feel the need to embrace conspiracy theories as part of a defense of a conspiracy theory, it’s just not healthy. When this is the preferred course for members of the House Intelligence Committee, it’s rather alarming.
 
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