good, I'm glad to see you agree that the photo is racist.. that was all you needed to say instead of deflecting away from the racism, thus ignoring it and allowing it to continue. If only everyone would do this, things could possibly even out..
I wasn't deflecting away from the racism, but how could I not love they irony of two presidential monkey pictures? For one President, you've probably posted several, and laughed and laughed!
For another, like Captain Renault, you are shocked, shocked...
wait, you just said it was racist.. so besides enjoying, you're now engaging in that contrast because you understand there really is a difference..
well technically you're playing the "well, you did it 1st" card like that's somehow a defense, but it does keep you from being nailed down to an actual answer doesn't it..
I am not, nor have I defended it. I can see you want me too for some reason though.
never said the Bush photo wasn't insulting, I said it wasn't racist.. the Obama photo is insulting AND racist.. which you've agreed with.. and where have I defended any monkey picture -crowd-, explaining a difference in two objects isn't defending either one, it's explaining the difference in two objects..
So I'm agreeing with you and you are still trying to look for some level of disagreement to fight over. Trying to attach Crowd's "argument" won't help. Frankly, I can barely follow what he's saying. Must be all that Tiger blood of his.
I saw the story on Fox, cnn and msnbc.. I think that qualifies it as a major news story.. and I believe anyone can disagree with Obama on just the issues, but what I also know, which you ignore, is that there are many who disagree with solely on his skin color.. why bury your head? just admit it and maybe this country can get over it..
Fox? Now it's my turn to be "shocked,
shocked!"
Now explain to me why it's a big story. Don't just dangle along at the media deciding for you. Is a county* chairwoman or whatever she is such a big deal that monkey picture emails by her are national news? If so, why?
That national networks cover the story holds no water with me. You should know by now that I hold their ability to edit and determine what is and isn't an important story in low regard. So explain why
you think this is a national story?
* a
county.
that wasn't my question..
this was
If you showed the Bush photo to his daughters what would be their reaction and what impression would they get off it? Would their race enter into their heads?
if you took the Obama photo and showed it to his daughters.. what would their impression be? would you actually look at Obama's daughters and defend this photo as being acceptable and not racist in any way because it was done to GWB also?
and this was
wait, no.... could you even show it to them.. you would be a little embarrassed to show it to Bush's kids I'm sure, but you could do it... would you still just be a 'little embarrassed' to show it to Obama's kids though? or would you more likely be utterly horrified at the thought at being the one to show them?
and I'll add, if you would be more horrified at showing it to Obama's kids... why?
I also asked..
would it be acceptable to teach your own children how to take a class-photo and photo shop all the black kids as apes and then take it to school for show and tell?
and I'll add to that one.. if not acceptable, why?
yes it's serious..
now you can answer them....
I'm curious what I said that made you think these questions had anything to do with what I said?
Nothing. So you can see why I have a hard time thinking these are serious questions. Think about what you are asking me. Would I think it's OK to photoshop all the black kids (I'm assuming you mean the same ones my kids go to school with), as fucking apes to take to school to show them?
What have I said that makes you think that's a legitimate, ore relevant question? I mean really, where exactly is that coming from?
For the Bush/Obama kids question, you're assumption is that the kids being of about the same age, that it would be much worse for Obama's kids as preteens to have a picture of their father morphed as an ape shoved in their faces than it would be for Bush's kids to have the same thing pushed in their faces as preteens. I think you're assuming that Obama's kids are fully informed on all of the history of racist monkeys. I'm thinking they just are not old enough, in their very privileged lives to have come across anything that would make them think "racism." Of course that depends on how well Mom's greivance education is coming. But I doubt it's something they have come across at Sidwell Friends.
