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So one president worked with other nations in a consensual military action intended to prevent the slaughter of thousands of people, an act that has resulted in 0 US casualities and worldwide acclaim.
Another president, acting on his own, ignored the wishes of his fellow nations and invaded a nation of people based on lies resulting in the senseless deaths of thousands of young Americans and hundreds of thousands of men, women and children in the country he invaded.
Thanks. I'm with the first guy who bypassed probably months of obstruction from a House whose majority didn't care about the possible deaths of thousands more men, women and children as long as they were able to disagree with the president.
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The
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Under the act, the President can only send combat troops into battle or into areas where ''imminent'' hostilities are likely, for 60 days without either a declaration of war by Congress or a specific Congressional mandate.
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The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
For Immediate Release
March 21, 2011
Letter from the President regarding the commencement of operations in Libya
TEXT OF A LETTER FROM THE PRESIDENT TO THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE OF THE SENATE
March 21, 2011
Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President:)
At approximately 3:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, on March 19, 2011, at my direction, U.S. military forces commenced operations to assist an international effort authorized by the United Nations (U.N.) Security Council and undertaken with the support of European allies and Arab partners, to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe and address the threat posed to international peace and security by the crisis in Libya. As part of the multilateral response authorized under U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973, U.S. military forces, under the command of Commander, U.S. Africa Command, began a series of strikes against air defense systems and military airfields for the purposes of preparing a no-fly zone. These strikes will be limited in their nature, duration, and scope. Their purpose is to support an international coalition as it takes all necessary measures to enforce the terms of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973. These limited U.S. actions will set the stage for further action by other coalition partners.
United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 authorized Member States, under Chapter VII of the U.N. Charter, to take all necessary measures to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in Libya, including the establishment and enforcement of a "no-fly zone" in the airspace of Libya. United States military efforts are discrete and focused on employing unique U.S. military capabilities to set the conditions for our European allies and Arab partners to carry out the measures authorized by the U.N. Security Council Resolution.
Muammar Qadhafi was provided a very clear message that a cease-fire must be implemented immediately. The international community made clear that all attacks against civilians had to stop; Qadhafi had to stop his forces from advancing on Benghazi; pull them back from Ajdabiya, Misrata, and Zawiya; and establish water, electricity, and gas supplies to all areas. Finally, humanitarian assistance had to be allowed to reach the people of Libya.
Although Qadhafi's Foreign Minister announced an immediate cease-fire, Qadhafi and his forces made no attempt to implement such a cease-fire, and instead continued attacks on Misrata and advanced on Benghazi. Qadhafi's continued attacks and threats against civilians and civilian populated areas are of grave concern to neighboring Arab nations and, as expressly stated in U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973, constitute a threat to the region and to international peace and security. His illegitimate use of force not only is causing the deaths of substantial numbers of civilians among his own people, but also is forcing many others to flee to neighboring countries, thereby destabilizing the peace and security of the region. Left unaddressed, the growing instability in Libya could ignite wider instability in the Middle East, with dangerous consequences to the national security interests of the United States. Qadhafi's defiance of the Arab League, as well as the broader international community moreover, represents a lawless challenge to the authority of the Security Council and its efforts to preserve stability in the region. Qadhafi has forfeited his responsibility to protect his own citizens and created a serious need for immediate humanitarian assistance and protection, with any delay only putting more civilians at risk.
The United States has not deployed ground forces into Libya. United States forces are conducting a limited and well-defined mission in support of international efforts to protect civilians and prevent a humanitarian disaster. Accordingly, U.S. forces have targeted the Qadhafi regime's air defense systems, command and control structures, and other capabilities of Qadhafi's armed forces used to attack civilians and civilian populated areas. We will seek a rapid, but responsible, transition of operations to coalition, regional, or international organizations that are postured to continue activities as may be necessary to realize the objectives of U.N. Security Council Resolutions 1970 and 1973.
For these purposes, I have directed these actions, which are in the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States, pursuant to my constitutional authority to conduct U.S. foreign relations and as Commander in Chief and Chief Executive.
I am providing this report as part of my efforts to keep the Congress fully informed, consistent with the War Powers Resolution. I appreciate the support of the Congress in this action.
BARACK OBAMA
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Quote from: Howey on April 12, 2011, 10:26:03 pm
So one president worked with other nations in a consensual military action intended to prevent the slaughter of thousands of people, an act that has resulted in 0 US casualities and worldwide acclaim.
Another president, acting on his own, ignored the wishes of his fellow nations and invaded a nation of people based on lies resulting in the senseless deaths of thousands of young Americans and hundreds of thousands of men, women and children in the country he invaded.
Thanks. I'm with the first guy who bypassed probably months of obstruction from a House whose majority didn't care about the possible deaths of thousands more men, women and children as long as they were able to disagree with the president.
If you recall my blog, I agreed that Obama was within the constitutional authority of his office to involve us in military action in Libya. I just get a kick that all you libs and Obama 2007 edition didn't think it was constitutional!
Now? It's Obama 2011 edition so it's constitutional!
You guys base your interpetation of the constitution on your crushes! I love it!
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Quote from: lil mike on April 13, 2011, 10:22:11 pm
If you recall my blog, I agreed that Obama was within the constitutional authority of his office to involve us in military action in Libya. I just get a kick that all you libs and Obama 2007 edition didn't think it was constitutional!
Now? It's Obama 2011 edition so it's constitutional!
You guys base your interpetation of the constitution on your crushes! I love it!
Aside from the fact that your quote from 2007 referred to a specific answer to bombing Iranian nuclear plants without consent from anyone, is it really wrong that the President changed his position on this one issue*?
If it is, you better hope Romney doesn't run for president.
*Wow. A statment without snark! You should try that sometime!
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Quote from: lil mike on April 13, 2011, 10:22:11 pm
If you recall my blog, I agreed that Obama was within the constitutional authority of his office to involve us in military action in Libya. I just get a kick that all you libs and Obama 2007 edition didn't think it was constitutional!
Now? It's Obama 2011 edition so it's constitutional!
You guys base your interpetation of the constitution on your crushes! I love it!
Not true, the Libya war is a waste of money. I have admitted as such. Iraq is becoming a huge money sink but we are kind of stuck their due to the crazies in the region. Iraq was better stategically for the US with Saddam still in power. He kept Iran in check. The current enviroment over there, the people would have rose up anyway. Now we are stuck, somehow can't find billions of dollars and giving out no bid contracts. 3 fucking wars, now I am left hoping for change.
At least Obama speech last nite, show he is getting some of his nuts back.
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Quote from: 44nutman on April 14, 2011, 11:13:38 am
Not true, the Libya war is a waste of money. I have admitted as such. Iraq is becoming a huge money sink but we are kind of stuck their due to the crazies in the region. Iraq was better stategically for the US with Saddam still in power. He kept Iran in check. The current enviroment over there, the people would have rose up anyway. Now we are stuck, somehow can't find billions of dollars and giving out no bid contracts. 3 fucking wars, now I am left hoping for change.
At least Obama speech last nite, show he is getting some of his nuts back.
And I've said before I'd rather see us in Libya than Iraq. If we got all the way out of Iraq, and Afghanistan, nothing will change. They'll still be killing each other off.
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They told me if I voted for John McCain...
... we would have a President who uses signing statements to avoid laws he doesn't like.
And they were right!
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/04/president-obama-issues-signing-statement-indicating-he-wont-abide-by-provision-in-budget-bill.html
President Obama Issues “Signing Statement” Indicating He Won’t Abide by Provision in Budget Bill
...One rider – Section 2262 -- de-funds certain White House adviser positions – or “czars.” The president in his signing statement declares that he will not abide by it.
...Therefore, the president wrote, “the executive branch will construe section 2262 not to abrogate these Presidential prerogatives.”
During his presidential campaign, then-Senator Obama was quite critical of the Bush administration’s uses of signing statements telling the Boston Globe in 2007 that the “problem” with the Bush administration “is that it has attached signing statements to legislation in an effort to change the meaning of the legislation, to avoid enforcing certain provisions of the legislation that the President does not like, and to raise implausible or dubious constitutional objections to the legislation.”
Then-Sen. Obama said he would “not use signing statements to nullify or undermine congressional instructions as enacted into law.”
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I knew you wouldn't have much to complain about if your bitching about the fucking czars!
hahahhahah!
Watch out.
Obama and the dems have grown some ballz.
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Quote from: Howey on April 18, 2011, 06:11:12 pm
I knew you wouldn't have much to complain about if your bitching about the fucking czars!
hahahhahah!
Watch out.
Obama and the dems have grown some ballz.
A dem with ballz? Scary!
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They told me if I voted for John McCain...
http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/157399-obama-administration-asks-supreme-court-to-uphold-fccs-indecency-policy
Administration asks Supreme Court to uphold FCC's indecency policy
The Obama administration is asking the Supreme Court to overturn a court ruling that greatly diminished the Federal Communications Commission's (FCC) ability to police the airwaves for indecency.
Acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal filed a certiorari petition ahead of Thursday's deadline after previously filing for two extensions. The administration is asking the Supreme Court to overturn the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals decision that struck down the FCC's indecency policy last July.
Going for the evangelical vote?
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They told me if I voted for John McCain...
We'd have Dick Cheney praising the President for using Cheney's assassination squad, Seal Team 6!
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dick-cheney-osama-bin-ladens-death-obama-deserves/story?id=13509547
Dick Cheney Says 'Obama Deserves Credit' for Osama Bin Laden's Death
Former Vice President Dick Cheney praised President Obama for the success of the mission against Osama bin Laden, but in an exclusive interview with ABC News warned that it would be "a tragedy" to spend so much time "patting ourselves on the back" that we miss the next attack.
"The administration clearly deserves credit for the success of the operation," Cheney told ABC News, adding that getting bin Laden has long been "the ultimate goal, the ultimate objective" of the U.S. counterterrorism program.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/05/02/hersh_olbermann_called_bin_laden_seal_team_assassination_ring_in_2009.html
Hersh, Olbermann Called Bin Laden SEAL Team "Assassination Ring" In 2009
Hersh then went on to describe a second area of extra-legal operations: the Joint Special Operations Command. "It is a special wing of our special operations community that is set up independently," he explained. "They do not report to anybody, except in the Bush-Cheney days, they reported directly to the Cheney office. ... Congress has no oversight of it."
"It's an executive assassination ring essentially, and it's been going on and on and on," Hersh stated. "Under President Bush's authority, they've been going into countries, not talking to the ambassador or the CIA station chief, and finding people on a list and executing them and leaving. That's been going on, in the name of all of us."
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