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« on: May 13, 2011, 11:48:30 am »

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-people-vs-goldman-sachs-20110511?page=1

Unbelievable, and the sad part is those involved now work for the government.

I hope this makes people realize it doesn't matter who you elect. They are all beholden to their corporate masters.
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2011, 02:52:15 pm »

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-people-vs-goldman-sachs-20110511?page=1

Unbelievable, and the sad part is those involved now work for the government.

I hope this makes people realize it doesn't matter who you elect. They are all beholden to their corporate masters.

One of the best descriptions, of anything, ever written..

Defenders of Goldman have been quick to insist that while the bank may have had a few ethical slips here and there, its only real offense was being too good at making money. We now know, unequivocally, that this is bullshit. Goldman isn't a pudgy housewife who broke her diet with a few Nilla Wafers between meals — it's an advanced-stage, 1,100-pound medical emergency who hasn't left his apartment in six years, and is found by paramedics buried up to his eyes in cupcake wrappers and pizza boxes.



RE your sig pic.. back during the scott peterson trial a board I was on called Gloria Allred "Glo-ho"... guess that nick-name takes on a whole new meaning now .. LOL
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2011, 03:25:43 pm »

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[Goldman was like a car dealership that realized it had a whole lot full of cars with faulty brakes. Instead of announcing a recall, it surged ahead with a two-fold plan to make a fortune: first, by dumping the dangerous products on other people, and second, by taking out life insurance against the fools who bought the deadly cars.


well isn't that nice of them..

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The day he received the Sparks memo, Viniar seconded the plan in a gleeful cheerleading e-mail. "Let's be aggressive distributing things," he wrote, "because there will be very good opportunities as the markets [go] into what is likely to be even greater distress, and we want to be in a position to take advantage of them." Translation: Let's find as many suckers as we can as fast as we can, because we'll only make more money as more and more shit hits the fan.

uh, and they're not in jail because...?


this is the part that kills me... how is this legal?

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By February 2007, two months after the Sparks memo, Goldman had gone from betting $6 billion on mortgages to betting $10 billion against them — a shift of $16 billion

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It is worth pointing out here that Goldman's behavior in the Hudson scam makes a mockery of standards in the underwriting business. Courts have held that "the relationship between the underwriter and its customer implicitly involves a favorable recommendation of the issued security." The SEC, meanwhile, requires that broker-dealers like Goldman disclose "material adverse facts," which among other things includes "adverse interests." Former prosecutors and regulators I interviewed point to these areas as potential avenues for prosecution; you can judge for yourself if a $2 billion bet against clients qualifies as an "adverse interest" that should have been disclosed.

How can they sell the same product they bet against?



again, why isn't anyone in jail?

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Goldman's huge bet against the deal meant that the worse Hudson performed, the more money Goldman made. After all, the entire point of the transaction was to screw its own clients so Goldman could "clean its books." The crime was far from victimless: Morgan Stanley alone lost nearly $960 million on the Hudson deal, which admittedly doesn't do much to tug the heartstrings. Except that quickly after Goldman dumped this near-billion-dollar loss on Morgan Stanley, Morgan Stanley turned around and dumped it on taxpayers, who within a year were spending $10 billion bailing out the sucker bank through the TARP program.

I can see maybe.. maybe MorStan ppl aren't in jail.. they were duped as well.. but where are the Goldman people?


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To recap: Goldman, to get $1.2 billion in crap off its books, dumps a huge lot of deadly mortgages on its clients, lies about where that crap came from and claims it believes in the product even as it's betting $2 billion against it. When its victims try to run out of the burning house, Goldman stands in the doorway, blasts them all with gasoline before they can escape, and then has the balls to send a bill overcharging its victims for the pleasure of getting fried.

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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2011, 04:11:18 pm »

There are very few and I mean very few things that frustrate me or gnaw at me...but this...this makes me want to punch a wall...with a bulldozer.

Saying this boggles the mind is an understatement of unbelievable proportions.
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2011, 04:32:03 pm »

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When its victims try to run out of the burning house, Goldman stands in the doorway, blasts them all with gasoline before they can escape, and then has the balls to send a bill overcharging its victims for the pleasure of getting fried

heh...true story...

When I was in Germany I had an old Fiat 500 sedan. Engine in the back.

I was driving up a hill one evening and the engine caught fire. I jumped out and the car slowly rolled back and rested against a brick wall leading to some rich German's mansion. He came out with a small fire extinguisher and put the fire out while the Polezei were hollering for him to get the hell out of the way.

The next month I got a bill (through my commanding officer) for a new fire extinguisher.
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2011, 10:20:23 am »

Here is what gets me, GS executives(employees) perjured themselves in front of Congress. The proof is there, but when Roger Clemens did it, Congressman/woman were coming out of the woodworks to prosecute him. I guess the moral of the story is Roger Clemens should have donated more money to Congress/President. GS was one of the biggest donators to Obama's campaign and CEO Blankfein has been to the White House 10 times since Obama was elected. If Blankfein won the Cy Young he would be in jail, but money keeps him free.
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2011, 12:39:48 pm »

Here is what gets me, GS executives(employees) perjured themselves in front of Congress. The proof is there, but when Roger Clemens did it, Congressman/woman were coming out of the woodworks to prosecute him. I guess the moral of the story is Roger Clemens should have donated more money to Congress/President. GS was one of the biggest donators to Obama's campaign and CEO Blankfein has been to the White House 10 times since Obama was elected. If Blankfein won the Cy Young he would be in jail, but money keeps him free.

Justice IS literally blind...when you get to dictate what it sees.

And you're absolutely right.  Tainting sports is evidently far, far worse...than helping to, or being one of the primary culprits behind, tanking the American economy...for profit.

IF any people go down for this at all, it will be sacrificial lambs, not the wolves.
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