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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2011, 08:12:40 pm » |
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I didn't want this to get lost in the above.
Why don't we place income limits on persons receiving social security and medicare?
because they participated in the system,so they have a right to it also...irregardless of their financial sitituation
It pisses me off that John McCain, with his billions of dollars, draws a social security check every month.
you don't know what john does with that money...don't begrudge him...he paid a heavy price for his country
Do you really think that money means a hill of beans to him or any other rich person?
doesn't matter...much like their opinion of anyone else collecting
Do you really think he or any other rich person is going to go to their nearest Doctor that handles Medicare patients and sit in the lobby with fifty other old people waiting to be seen?
of course not...but again...that doesn't make them wrong or stealing or cheating...
Hell no!
By setting an income limit, our government should have lots left over to take care of everyone who needs health care! As far as Medicaid's concerned, we won't need it anymore!
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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2011, 09:26:30 pm » |
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I didn't want this to get lost in the above.
Why don't we place income limits on persons receiving social security and medicare? It pisses me off that John McCain, with his billions of dollars, draws a social security check every month.
Do you really think that money means a hill of beans to him or any other rich person? Do you really think he or any other rich person is going to go to their nearest Doctor that handles Medicare patients and sit in the lobby with fifty other old people waiting to be seen?
Hell no!
By setting an income limit, our government should have lots left over to take care of everyone who needs health care! As far as Medicaid's concerned, we won't need it anymore!
Basically what you are talking about is means testing. John McCain isn't the only rich guy on the government dole. I'm basically in agreement with the general idea of means testing. I don't know how much money it would save but it's a start. |
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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2011, 07:04:56 am » |
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Basically what you are talking about is means testing. John McCain isn't the only rich guy on the government dole. I'm basically in agreement with the general idea of means testing. I don't know how much money it would save but it's a start.
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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2011, 07:29:16 am » |
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only if the limit is the sky....
because they participated in the system,so they have a right to it also...irregardless of their financial sitituation So you're saying he's entitled to it? What about the millions of others (including you, depending on your age) who are facing the Republican assault on social security, Medicare, and Medicaid? you don't know what john does with that money...don't begrudge him...he paid a heavy price for his country Oy...we went through this on the muche years ago! McCain gets VA disability for his "heavy price for his country". Of course, if Michele Bachmann has her way, he won't. doesn't matter...much like their opinion of anyone else collecting One could argue, quite successfully, that it was the actions (and inactions) of the rich and privileged that got our country in the situation it is today... of course not...but again...that doesn't make them wrong or stealing or cheating... I never said they were...but in today's environment of "Everyone's gotta make a sacrifice; everyone's got to suffer", why not let the rich suffer their "fair share"? According to the Republicans in the House and Senate, everyone but the rich has to buckle up and make sacrifices. The rich, however, get tax breaks far exceeding those given to the poor and middle class. |
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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2011, 10:18:42 am » |
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Then moving Medicaid to managed care state-wide? Hell...the four-county experiment has proven to be a disaster! But I'm sure he'lll be able to pad those pockets a little more will all the increased traffic to Solantic!!
that's the scariest part in all of this.. do people really trust Scott to bring 'managed' care to this state and it work out for the better? of all people, he's the one to change our health care.. wtf? 1.7 BILLION dollars!! This guy was fined 1.7 BILLION dollars because of his management over his 'managed' care company.. how much did he have to steal to be changed with almost a 2 BILLION dollar fine? Obviously not enough to stop idiots from giving him their wallets to do it all again! Holy shit this state is in trouble... |
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« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2011, 12:37:24 pm » |
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that's the scariest part in all of this.. do people really trust Scott to bring 'managed' care to this state and it work out for the better?
of all people, he's the one to change our health care..
wtf?
1.7 BILLION dollars!! This guy was fined 1.7 BILLION dollars because of his management over his 'managed' care company.. how much did he have to steal to be changed with almost a 2 BILLION dollar fine? Obviously not enough to stop idiots from giving him their wallets to do it all again!
Holy shit this state is in trouble...
We're not even close to the bottom of the barrel, just skimming the fraud top. Gov. Binks' decision to put tracking of pill mill clinics on hold with the support of legislators who previously supported the tracking system (which is fully funded by donations and wouldn’t cost the state a dime) is raising lots of eyebrows, even among some of his supporters. This was voted into law by us, the citizens of Florida, btw. I wonder how long it is until we find out the companies involved with the lawsuit over this (which, by the way, claims the law violates their 1st Amendment rights) are somehow intrinsically involved with the Governor’s businesses. Of course, if asked he’d plead the Fifth. |
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« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2011, 03:21:22 pm » |
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the denial of a prescription data base is a strong inicator of bink's loyalties...
this state is about to take its greatest fucking it had ever had...
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« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2011, 03:46:16 pm » |
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the denial of a prescription data base is a strong inicator of bink's loyalties...
this state is about to take its greatest fucking it had ever had...
And dammit! we'll have to go outside to have our after-sex smoke! 50 feet from the building please, sir! |
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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2011, 06:33:59 pm » |
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Jobs derailed: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/os-scott-rejects-rail-money-20110216,0,2863027.storyFlorida's congressional delegation, state officials and Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer are pushing back against Gov. Rick Scott's decision Wednesday to reject $2.4 billion in federal stimulus money to build a high-speed train between Orlando and Tampa.
"This is a century-type decision that needs to be vetted," Dyer said. "I don't think it was given a fair hearing."
U.S. Department of Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood intends to meet either in person or by phone Friday with Florida elected officials, likely including Democratic U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson and Reps. John Mica, R-Winter Park, and Corrine Brown, D-Jacksonville, to discuss ways of keeping the project alive even as California, New York and Washington state offered to take some of the money.
And some officials were bitterly critical of Scott for pulling the plug even before bids had gone out to build the 84-mile system. Eight consortia of companies from 11 countries had indicated they would be willing to put up some or all of the state's $280 million share of the project, while the bid terms would have required them to absorb cost overruns and any operating losses for 20 years.
"Without letting the private sector come to the table, we really don't know how viable it is," said Sen. Thad Altman, R-Viera. "There's no rational reason at all not to allow that to happen -- unless you're afraid of what you might hear. We might hear that this thing will work." Here's the thing...High speed rail may not be the answer today. But in the future? Are we going to wait until the interstates are so full nobody goes anywhere? (Well, they probably won't. Everyone in the state will be unemployed if Scott sticks around.) How many thousands of jobs will be lost by him turning down this money? Does he have jobs out there to cover? Maybe with his pill mill buddies? Too many Republicans are so short-sighted they only look at today and have no comprehension what tomorrow will bring. I’m glad Scott wasn’t around during the Eisenhower years. We wouldn’t have any interstates today.  |
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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2011, 08:50:49 pm » |
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Jobs derailed: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/os-scott-rejects-rail-money-20110216,0,2863027.storyHere's the thing...High speed rail may not be the answer today. But in the future? Are we going to wait until the interstates are so full nobody goes anywhere? (Well, they probably won't. Everyone in the state will be unemployed if Scott sticks around.) How many thousands of jobs will be lost by him turning down this money? Does he have jobs out there to cover? Maybe with his pill mill buddies? Too many Republicans are so short-sighted they only look at today and have no comprehension what tomorrow will bring. I’m glad Scott wasn’t around during the Eisenhower years. We wouldn’t have any interstates today. It's a boondoggle. If you are concerned about public transportation, more busses is an affordable answer. High Speed rail? As Chris Christie said, it's budget candy. It's not a serious project. |
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« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2011, 09:06:02 pm » |
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It's a boondoggle. If you are concerned about public transportation, more busses is an affordable answer.
High Speed rail? As Chris Christie said, it's budget candy. It's not a serious project.
60 years ago the interstates were considered a "boondoggle". Do you really think commuters, et al., that would ride a high speed rail would take a bus? Any idea how long it takes Greyhound to go from Point A to Point B? Chris Christie is an idiot. After Scott made his announcement, the congressional delegation from New Jersey was the first out there to say "Give it to us, we'll take it!" I'm sure many other states will follow. |
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« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2011, 09:25:01 am » |
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It's a boondoggle. If you are concerned about public transportation, more busses is an affordable answer.
High Speed rail? As Chris Christie said, it's budget candy. It's not a serious project.
Jobs derailed: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/os-scott-rejects-rail-money-20110216,0,2863027.storyHere's the thing...High speed rail may not be the answer today. But in the future? Are we going to wait until the interstates are so full nobody goes anywhere? (Well, they probably won't. Everyone in the state will be unemployed if Scott sticks around.) How many thousands of jobs will be lost by him turning down this money? Does he have jobs out there to cover? Maybe with his pill mill buddies? Too many Republicans are so short-sighted they only look at today and have no comprehension what tomorrow will bring. I’m glad Scott wasn’t around during the Eisenhower years. We wouldn’t have any interstates today. (Contains an amazing video!) Glad to see the WSJ was as short-sighted back then as they are today... Congress seemed to turn against the program, as representatives began to make speeches on the floor blaming a shortage of government funds on unnecessarily wasteful highway budgets. The Wall Street Journal was quoted in 1960 as describing the interstate highway system as “[a] vast program thrown together, imperfectly conceived and grossly mismanaged, and in due course becoming a veritable playground for extravagance, waste and corruption.” |
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« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2011, 04:07:52 pm » |
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60 years ago the interstates were considered a "boondoggle".
Do you really think commuters, et al., that would ride a high speed rail would take a bus? Any idea how long it takes Greyhound to go from Point A to Point B?
Chris Christie is an idiot. After Scott made his announcement, the congressional delegation from New Jersey was the first out there to say "Give it to us, we'll take it!" I'm sure many other states will follow.
is that true? |
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« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2011, 07:04:33 pm » |
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is that true?
Hah. No. It was New York. They all look alike.  Meanwhile... http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/02/17/2072075/scott-rebuked-by-26-senators-over.htmlA veto-proof majority of the Florida Senate rebuked Gov. Rick Scott on Thursday in a letter that urged the federal government to give the state $2.4 billion in high-speed rail money that Scott wants to reject.
“Politics should have no place in the future of Florida’s transportation, as evidenced by this letter of bipartisan support,” said the letter, signed by 26 members of the Republican-controlled Florida Senate.
“This project would create real jobs, cleaner and smarter transportation and true economic development for Floridians,” said the letter written to U.S. Department of Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood.
The letter was partly authored by one of Scott’s first senate backers, Republican Paula Dockery of Lakeland, who argued that the newly created Florida Rail Enterprise could act independently of Scott because the state’s share of the rail money -- $300 million – was already approved last year by a previous governor, Charlie Crist. I think I'm gonna have a party when this assholes kicked to the curb. |
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