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This is America. What the hell is wrong with our country? Since when has peaceful protest been outlawed?
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Wow...
http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2011/10/26/oakland-police-love-kittens-teargas/
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Last night I was following along with the #occupyoakland tweets from some folks who were at the protest in Northern California. One attendee—a journo-cartoonist (yes, that is a thing, yes, it is awesome) I've edited in the past named Susie Cagle—even tweeted as she was being teargassed and later posted a short video:
Funny enough, this morning the Post's print coverage of the events last night amounted to an AP picture of your friendly local Oakland police officer petting a kitten and a headline which read: "Protesters Wearing Out Their Welcome Nationwide."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lbbWAgBy7E&feature=player_embedded
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It's an over reaction, a bad over reaction by the city not quite sure what to make of all these "rabble rousers" who are participating in civil disobedience.
The rumors are already fast at work that this is REALLY a "secretly backed agenda", the old go to Soros aside, NOW it seems David Duke has his fingers in this, as well as other nefarious characters...what? College kids are bussed in by the thousands!...huh?
It would be funny, if I didn't see things things coming out of the mouths of people that I consider generally middle of the road...that echoed what I've said, and even more. I just sit slack jawed.
It stung, it stung really bad when many in the Tea party, who "genuinely" felt they were highlighting their "concerns" passionately in a "grassroots" capacity, found out the Koch Brothers and Karl Rove (among several others) had their fingers deep in *their* "movement" (ewwwww, doodie!) from the very beginning. So, in turn, OWS just HAS to be something other than what it appears to be. It just HAS to be an agenda'ed show, secretly organized by Soros and a host of other super villains...intent on destabilizing the country!
False equivalencies are all ready fast at work and the right (as OWS continues to grow) will demonize this to the inth degree...it's not only payback, for what they felt was egregious treatment and labeling of the TP'ers...but OWS is a direct assault on Capitalism. And as we all know, Capitalism, is to NEVER be questioned. It is a concept that has been given substance and deified. Any attempt, ANY effort to talk about disparity is summarily dismissed and viewed as a Communist, Socialist, Marxist, Totalitarian plot.
Never mind that between 1996-2007, the top 1 percents income grew 275 percent, the middle income (60 percent of the population) saw their income grow 40 percent and the working poor saw their income grow 18 percent. The working poor and middle class aren't looking to become millionaires (contrary to the non-stop cries of *envy*, *jealousy*, and *wanting something for nothing*)...they're just looking for an economic system that enables all to participate *fairly* within it...and not a system that continues to grow (for some and shrink for the rest) and cater to a specific minority at the expense of majority. The economy is heading more and more towards facilitating a small minority, to be able to function within it. It is growing exclusionary, instead of inclusive, for reasons that were (and are) legislatively manipulated. We are disenfranchising more and more Americans every single day and there's zero signs that this will be seriously addressed. We're heading towards a complete meltdown, it can't be avoided...because it won't be entertained.
And mark my words, once we finally go over the edge completely...it will be, once again, the fault of the laborers, illegal immigrants, the elderly, the very poor, the disabled and bloated Government. Not one single glance towards the profiteers who destabilized the GLOBAL economy now, AND THEN, will be allowed as part of serious discourse.
It's coming kids...no way around it.
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Quote from: uselesslegs on October 26, 2011, 03:11:46 pm
It's an over reaction, a bad over reaction by the city not quite sure what to make of all these "rabble rousers" who are participating in civil disobedience.
The rumors are already fast at work that this is REALLY a "secretly backed agenda", the old go to Soros aside, NOW it seems David Duke has his fingers in this, as well as other nefarious characters...what? College kids are bussed in by the thousands!...huh?
It would be funny, if I didn't see things things coming out of the mouths of people that I consider generally middle of the road...that echoed what I've said, and even more. I just sit slack jawed.
It stung, it stung really bad when many in the Tea party, who "genuinely" felt they were highlighting their "concerns" passionately in a "grassroots" capacity, found out the Koch Brothers and Karl Rove (among several others) had their fingers deep in *their* "movement" (ewwwww, doodie!) from the very beginning. So, in turn, OWS just HAS to be something other than what it appears to be. It just HAS to be an agenda'ed show, secretly organized by Soros and a host of other super villains...intent on destabilizing the country!
False equivalencies are all ready fast at work and the right (as OWS continues to grow) will demonize this to the inth degree...it's not only payback, for what they felt was egregious treatment and labeling of the TP'ers...but OWS is a direct assault on Capitalism. And as we all know, Capitalism, is to NEVER be questioned. It is a concept that has been given substance and deified. Any attempt, ANY effort to talk about disparity is summarily dismissed and viewed as a Communist, Socialist, Marxist, Totalitarian plot.
Never mind that between 1996-2007, the top 1 percents income grew 275 percent, the middle income (60 percent of the population) saw their income grow 40 percent and the working poor saw their income grow 18 percent. The working poor and middle class aren't looking to become millionaires (contrary to the non-stop cries of *envy*, *jealousy*, and *wanting something for nothing*)...they're just looking for an economic system that enables all to participate *fairly* within it...and not a system that continues to grow (for some and shrink for the rest) and cater to a specific minority at the expense of majority. The economy is heading more and more towards facilitating a small minority, to be able to function within it. It is growing exclusionary, instead of inclusive, for reasons that were (and are) legislatively manipulated. We are disenfranchising more and more Americans every single day and there's zero signs that this will be seriously addressed. We're heading towards a complete meltdown, it can't be avoided...because it won't be entertained.
And mark my words, once we finally go over the edge completely...it will be, once again, the fault of the laborers, illegal immigrants, the elderly, the very poor, the disabled and bloated Government. Not one single glance towards the profiteers who destabilized the GLOBAL economy now, AND THEN, will be allowed as part of serious discourse.
It's coming kids...no way around it.
I'd like to borrow the above for my blog. You make your point far more succintly than I.
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Quote from: Howey on October 26, 2011, 04:53:54 pm
I'd like to borrow the above for my blog. You make your point far more succintly than I.
A correction, I'd like to submit, would be to the numbers that came out today...it was 60 percent have gone up 60 percent, not 40 percent. Doesn't change the horrible disparity. Here's the chart.
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Business/ht_cbo_household_income_cc_111026_wmain.jpg
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Quote from: uselesslegs on October 26, 2011, 10:00:14 pm
A correction, I'd like to submit, would be to the numbers that came out today...it was 60 percent have gone up 60 percent, not 40 percent. Doesn't change the horrible disparity. Here's the chart.
http://abcnews.go.com/images/Business/ht_cbo_household_income_cc_111026_wmain.jpg
I had already seen those figures. They came from the horribly biased, socialistic Congressional Budget Office. You know, the same guys the pubs use all the time.
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/27/video-shows-scott-olsen-marine-wounded-in-oakland-before-police-violence/
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Quote from: Howey on October 27, 2011, 02:36:21 am
I had already seen those figures. They came from the horribly biased, socialistic Congressional Budget Office. You know, the same guys the pubs use all the time.
Ah, so you suspect we got fudged numbers? Given the world today, I can believe it.
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Quote from: uselesslegs on October 27, 2011, 01:06:35 pm
Ah, so you suspect we got fudged numbers? Given the world today, I can believe it.
No. That's not what I meant. I meant the Republicans, at one time, used the CBO to back up their proposals. Now that the CBO is calling them out and proving them wrong, it's a whole new story.
Sarcasm, my friend...
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Quote from: Howey on October 28, 2011, 12:41:30 pm
No. That's not what I meant. I meant the Republicans, at one time, used the CBO to back up their proposals. Now that the CBO is calling them out and proving them wrong, it's a whole new story.
Sarcasm, my friend...
I figured that out finally. I'm a bit slow on the uptake these days it seems.
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