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Never? (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/orange_co_goper_my_obama-as-chimp_pic_was_just_a_birther_joke_meant_for_my_friends.php?ref=fpi)

Ever heard of Amos and Andy...

She's sorry it's drawn negative attention...any other time spent in sorryville is done with disdain.  Some of her first response was ""Oh, come on! Everybody who knows me knows that I am not a racist. It was a joke. I have friends who are black. Besides, I only sent it to a few people--mostly people I didn't think would be upset by it."  If ANYONE on her select list was black, I'd like to know that.

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2011/04/racist_orange_county_republica.php (http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2011/04/racist_orange_county_republica.php)

The existence of Amos and Andy and others portraying blacks stereotypically, or blacks portrayed in stereotype, in a time of mainstream acceptance...doesn't change that is was wrong.

Ever heard of slavery...


Oh! Oh!

Watch Happy Endings on ABC Wednesday night! Finally a show that doesn't portray a stereotype!

If only Mike and Molly and Outsourced were the same...

I agree that for an official to do that sort of thing is wrong.

Racism is "just a joke" pretty much all the time.  It is the mainstay of the almost every stand up in the country-- notably the Def Comedy Jam tour which is just, pretty much, bagging on white people and how uptight they are.  It happens. 

The question of right really only gets into play when and if it becomes public consumption.  Now comics have no one to answer to except the people who pay to get into see them.  Polictians?  Dicier. 

I don't think that the joke, in and of itself, is wrong.  It's not in great taste, per say.  Or even, for that matter, particuarlly inventive.  The problem with racial jokes is that they are almost never clever and pander to the lowest and dullest instincts of the people telling or hearing them.  They play to viciousness and fear and misunderstanding.  So, stupid people laughing at stupid stuff.

If that's how you want to play your politics (or comedy), so be it.  I mean, I don't want to, but some people also find Andrew Dice Clay funny.  I, um, don't. 

What this mostly does is offer insight into the sender-- who basically apologized only because people that she didn't intend to see it, saw it.  And even in that she took a dig and, basically, reinforced that she thought Obama's characater was related to poo flinging chimps. 

OK.  Good to know, lady.  I mean, you didn't have my joke  vote in the first place but now you really don't have it. 

But, what's that you say?  You have all those OTHER votes?  And they think just like you?  Oh, cool.  I guess.

She has black friends, so she is not racist. She only meant for the email to be seen by racists who would get a kick out of it. I will probaly forward it to Drunkys, Uncle Randy.

But

But

But...

She's a Republican. Republican's aren't racist. Just ask them!

She's a Teabagger. Teabagger's aren't racist. Just ask them!

Plus Obama's ears are bigger than that.

I do hear that about two or three times a week on the Monsters.

Luckily they have black friends so it's cool.

The difference between comics and elected officials is the comics try to be funny.

Elected officials?

The difference between comics and elected officials is the comics try to be funny. Elected officials can often be unintentionally funny. As with their supporters.

Yes?

So she is an elected official?

Anyway, I'm shocked, shocked I say, that anyone would ever think to depict the President as a simian.  It's clearly never been done before.

Yes, a new low.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_w-By2Dsk4Us/Sw0mXS5SwnI/AAAAAAAAA64/k5cC2_PHh-c/s200/bush_chimp.gif)

(http://drivelocity.com/images/misc/bush_job_chimp.jpg)

I wanted to like that show but after around 5 episodes I realized that it's not as good as Community or The Office. I think the portrayal of Americans having so much disposable income that they would keep that business going is inaccurate in 2011 but could have been funny. The actors representing India are just like us compared to actual Indians so the premise is kind of effed all around. I think The Office is also very inconsistent with being funny such as the ep recently where Michael had completed his film. That wasn't even potentially funny and would have better been a 2 minute show opener than entire episode. The Dinner Party and The Deposition are two that come to mind as being outstanding. Those were both with Jan and the combination of writers and producers on those eps should have been capitalized on. I think they have too many cooks on that one.

Actually...that is the problem with the show. Just the other way around.  ;)

We did it to ourselves.  When you subjugate a race for hundreds of years and use stereotypes throughout as "funny, because it's true" and even use stereotypes as a form of "education about" the group in question...you don't get to cry foul or downplay an instance when an item that is specifically linked to a stereotypes derogatory nature for group A, is used to depict someone from the group that did the subjugating and were prolific spreading the stereotypes to begin with.

It does not carry the same, or any, of the long held malicious associations.  Perhaps one day, in the distant future, you can depict someone who's black as a chimp and have only the buffoonery associated with a chimp be the only attachment anyone thinks of while viewing the satire, as was done with GW...but that time isn't now, nor will it be anytime soon. 

Does that mean something or is it a joke. Comradery and inside jokes or things intended as the general area of ribbing are great and maybe people that stayed in touch with you while I was gone understand that stuff but I don't. As I previously asked about the crowd quote and still didn't understand which you didn't clarify, I still have no idea what it means.

As long as we know we are keeping separate standards...

I noticed that Darth posted this story on the muche, and crowd posted the same Bush/Chimp pic I did.

I thought they didn't want these kind of monkeyshines on the muche?

I saw that. Glad to see he's visiting us!  :D


Did you take your meds today, Mr. Paranoia?

I was replying to this:


The actors on the show act like us because they are like us. The show doesn't represent them, or other Indians, in any kind of reality other than what they want you to see on TV.

The stereotypes are lame and misinformed, the banter is ridiculous, and the depiction of Indian culture is far from real.

Hell, we've been keeping separate standards for yearrrssss.

Did you take your meds today, Mr. Paranoia?

FooFa Operator's Manual Addendum A Subsection C4
_{He may at times for no specific reason randomly combine something from the past into a current issue. The recipient of this is supposed to make all the necessary connections of what he is thinking and why.}

There is no inside joke. This isn't one of those forums where there's secret secret sections where the kool kids can talk about others and snicker.

I'm sorry you took my joke as a joke.

As far as the quote, I thought I explained that to you? He was using a metaphor to compare here with there to indicate Kelly had made her choice.

We don't do choices here. Everyone's free to go here or elsewhere.

If you need further clarification regarding the quote, ask him.

There are no separate standards.

This is a black/white issue (see what I did there?). Centuries old comparisons of the black man to the ape denigrated the black man and classified his being as closer to an ape than a white man:


Not only close to those making the comparison (after all...weren't the slaves considered "inferior"?)  In 1868, Ernst Haeckel’s Natürliche Schöpfungsgeschichte was published with this drawing depicting the black man waaay down the chain, and a white man at the top.  btw - The white man, described as the "perfect", was not Greek, but German like the author.


So...yeah. It is racism. At it's worst.

Although one could argue that Bush is closer to an ape on the intelligence scale.  ;D


Poor guy will nevah live that picture down!

When they conduct studies with kids regarding color they favor lighter skin. That should not be equated to racism because natural selection also favors lighter skin. There are bigger fish to fry than worrying about the past and slavery wherein there were also black slave owners. If it wasn't such a hot button topic it wouldn't still stir people up after all these years. When I used to watch Bill Maher he would frequently make jokes about Obama with some of age old stereotypes that ares still funny at times to me. They're funny because it's not how most of the audience feels but to think that are practically whole generations who did feel that way and judge someone immediately was tragic but still humorous in retrospect. When I think of Chris Rock's early stuff, when he used to be funny, he was essentially a racist himself by using his color as an excuse to make jokes that a white person wouldn't have been able to get away with. There's not really any absolutes with comedy, art or political cartoons. I personally feel that as a society we should be passed the need to keep going to that reservoir for comedy. And when a comedian or cartoonist are still doing it in 2011 it doesn't say much for their imagination, creativity or sensibilities.

racism will never die because smart people will always ignore it when it's  done to their benefit. .. The right will refuse this or any other blatant racism because to admit it, in their minds, would say something about them as a whole.. Borg-like thought remember? If it's one, it's all..  so never admit that it could be just the one and then you can pretend it doesn't exist for the whole.

and besides, it makes Obama look bad... and insults him on a base-level and in a way that they can snicker and wink to themselves.. so it's more or less a triple-word-score for the Right...

This pic is a great example.... anyone with a brain can see why it would be considered racist, whether it was done to Bush or not doesn't matter since he's white and it simply is different  when used against a white....  There shouldn't be any argument at all on this... Blacks and apes/monkey's have been compared to each other for generations.. Hello? Porch Monkey, Yard ape, Jungle bunny anyone?  What? If I said that about a white dude, it would mean the same as if I said it to the black dude right?

well sure, if you're playing by GOP rules that is..


Mike, let me ask you something..  If you showed the Bush photo to his daughters what would be their reaction and what impression would they get off it? Would their race enter into their heads?

if you took the Obama photo and showed it to his daughters.. what would their impression be? would you actually look at Obama's daughters and defend this photo as being acceptable and not racist in any way because it was done to GWB also?

wait, no....   could you even show it to them..  you would be a little embarrassed to show it to Bush's kids I'm sure, but  you could do it...  would you still just be a 'little embarrassed' to show it to Obama's kids though? or would you more likely be utterly horrified at the thought at being the one to show them?

would it be acceptable to teach your own children how to take a class-photo and photo shop all the black kids as apes and then take it to school for show and tell?

I mean, it's not racist right? so you'd be ok with that... right?

I'm not arguing that the picture isn't racist, although I do enjoy the contrast of Presidential monkey pictures.  I guess that's a thing now huh?

And of course I enjoy  the left's defense of Bush monkey pictures by saying, "well they're not racist."  No, they were insulting.  Just as the monkey picture of Obama is insulting.  It's not as if they are equally insulting, but I doubt the difference in offense is so great as you imagine it.  I don't defend any monkey pictures, but you will defend some of them.

But once again, you regard this email from some lowly official, not an elected official like Howey claimed, as a major news story, when it's really not.  You think it's significant because you think one email indicts the entire Republican party/the tea party, and roughly half the country because as I've come to realize, you really can't imagine a reason to oppose Obama without it being racist. 

So of course it would be terrible to show Obama monkey pictures to his daughters.  Is that even a serious question?  Just as it would have been terrible to show Bush monkey pictures to his daughters at the age that Obama's daughters are now.

Don't you think both sets of daughters would be hurt by that?

good, I'm glad to see you agree that the photo is racist..  that was all you needed to say instead of deflecting away from the racism, thus ignoring it and allowing it to continue. If only everyone would do this, things could possibly even out..



wait, you just said it was racist.. so besides enjoying, you're now engaging in that contrast because you understand there really is a difference..

well technically you're playing the "well, you did it 1st" card like that's somehow a defense, but it does keep you from being nailed down to an actual answer doesn't it..


never said the Bush photo wasn't insulting, I said it wasn't racist.. the Obama photo is insulting AND racist.. which you've agreed with..  and where have I defended any monkey picture -crowd-, explaining a difference in two objects isn't defending either one, it's explaining the difference in two objects..



I saw the story on Fox, cnn and msnbc.. I think that qualifies it as a major news story.. and I believe anyone can disagree with Obama on just the issues, but what I also know, which you ignore, is that there are many who disagree with solely on his skin color.. why bury your head? just admit it and maybe this country can get over it..



that wasn't my question..
this was


and this was



and I'll add, if you would be more horrified at showing it to Obama's kids... why?

I also asked..



and I'll add to that one.. if not acceptable, why?

yes it's serious..

now you can answer them....

I used to wonder how the Bush twins felt about the cartoons. I've read that when John Jr was in college parties and what have you;if Sympathy for The Devil came on he would walk out of the room.
"Who killed the Kennedys..." The famous child of sorts, McCain's daughter, sounds very level headed when I've heard her speak.

I wasn't deflecting away from the racism, but how could I not love they irony of two presidential monkey pictures?  For one President, you've probably posted several, and laughed and laughed!

For another, like Captain Renault, you are shocked, shocked...



I am not, nor have I defended it.  I can see you want me too for some reason though.



So I'm agreeing  with you and you are still trying to look for some level of disagreement to fight over.  Trying to attach Crowd's "argument" won't help.  Frankly, I can barely follow what he's saying.  Must be all that Tiger blood of his.


Fox?  Now it's my turn to be "shocked, shocked!"

Now explain to me why it's a big story.  Don't just dangle along at the media deciding for you.  Is a county* chairwoman or whatever she is such a big deal that monkey picture emails by her are national news?  If so, why?

That national networks cover the story holds no water with me.  You should know by now that I hold their ability to edit and determine what is and isn't an important story in low regard.  So explain why you think this is a national story?


* a county.










I'm curious what I said that made you think these questions had anything to do with what I said?

Nothing.  So you can see why I have a hard time thinking these are serious questions.  Think about what you are asking me.  Would I think it's OK to photoshop all the  black kids (I'm assuming you mean the same ones my kids go to school with), as fucking apes to take to school to show them?

What have I said that makes you think that's a legitimate, ore relevant question?  I mean really, where exactly is that coming from?

For the Bush/Obama kids question, you're assumption is that the kids being of about the same age, that it would be much worse for Obama's kids as preteens to have a picture of their father morphed as an ape shoved in their faces than it would be for Bush's kids to have the same thing pushed in their faces as preteens.  I think you're assuming that Obama's kids are fully informed on all of the history of racist monkeys.  I'm thinking  they just are not old enough, in their very privileged lives to have come across anything that would make them think "racism."  Of course that depends on how well Mom's greivance education is coming.  But I doubt it's something they have come across at Sidwell Friends.

Barely? Gotta give you credit for that. FaFa's being more coherent.  ::)


Ya know...I was going to go back and change elected official to placate you like I did in the Huckabee thread...but wtf. You'd just find something else.

This woman is what? the Chairperson of the Republican Party in Orange County*, California. With a population of 3,026,786, it's not a little borough.

Orange County* is also the home of Tricky Dick, so you know there's a whole lot of credibility going on there. Republicans in the county* are an overwhelming majority so that's a whole hell of a lot of racist post cards and emails going out in the mail on party time.

So, yeah. It's a big deal.

I don't find either 'funny'.. not my style.. but the shock came from the blatant racism in the one, and then people like you excusing it by using the other one as a shield..


deflecting away from.. excusing.. ignoring..  using the 'you did it 1st' defense with the Bush/monkey photo.. all the same thing..


then you might try re-reading what you said to help you through this..

I don't defend any monkey pictures, but you will defend some of them.

I haven't defended any either.. I haven't used one to excuse the other either, like some people in this conversation have.. all I've done is explain the difference in the two.. you, like -crowd- , equate that explanation with a defense of.. uh, nope.. wrong.. not winning!


Because it seems to be becoming a running theme with your party.. watermelon patches, Michelle's ape ancestors,a collage of Presidents with Obama just being a black box with eyes,a email about a dog who is "black, unemployed, lazy, can't speak English and has no frigging clue who his Daddy is" seeking welfare benefits, or emails about "How can 2,000,000 blacks get into Washington, DC in 1 day in sub zero temps when 200,000 couldn't get out of New Orleans in 85 degree temps with four days notice?".. etc etc etc

not to mention the whole 'birther' issue.. that a great percentage of your party simply can't seem to let go of..

and this theme is playing out over and over and over again.. and yet, you bury your head instead of confronting it head on and helping to end it..

it's ok tho.. even the mighty McCain got tired of trying.. but atleast he did try that once, with that one old lady..

then hey, you're one guy.. what difference can you make?  Guess we'll never know will we..




that.. uh

doesn't look like an answer to my questions.. that looks like a deflection, again.

see you're the one who used the 'shocked, shocked i tell ya' Bush monkey photo as an excuse to roll your eyes at any 'racism' charge given on the  Obama/monkey photo.. so that's why you're asked those questions.. to see if you could discern the difference in the two photos..

but hey, I'm shocked, shocked I tell ya that you dodged the questions again and instead, insulted Michelle and her mothering.. while being condescending about the girls 'privilege' and  education..

way to go skippy.

Racism may be ages old, older than this country, older than recorded history...but we elevated it to an art form.

And while we spent countless generations developing and honing our particular unique interpretations, we made sure to never leave out the fundamentals.

Least of which is our ability to conveniently diminish our handy work when we need an equivalency that helps us ignore the canvas we've been painting on for hundreds of years.

 

HEY! You talkin' 'bout moi?

Let me tell you what I think...


Photoshopping Obama's face on an ape is an insult to blacks everywhere. Photoshopping Bush's face on an ape is an insult to apes everywhere.

It's not your style?  Are you telling me you never, not even once, posted a Bush-monkey image?

An again, I'm not excusing it.  You really really need me to for some reason though.



Wow, you really have a need to fight me on this for some reason.  Although you did do it first, I just pointed it out for the irony of it.  A point that I've already made.


Are you sure you have not defended Bush monkey pictures?  I mean, are you really sure?

I've not used one to excuse the other.  You keep insisting that I'm defending this woman's monkey picture.  Maybe I was tired when I wrote that, so please point out where I'm defending her monkey picture.


Lord the irony!  From the party that defended a senator who was a grand whatever in the KKK. 

I could almost, almost see tolerating him since he has so much power, but it wasn't enough to tolerate, you guys protected and praised him.  His funeral was a revolting display of praise to someone who was truly a foul person.  You can't even now find someone in your party to apoligize for that.  We both know that for your party, racism isn't an evil, it's a tool.  That's why this thread was posted in the first place.


I don't think I insulted Michelle's mothering.  She is probably a good mom for all I know.  Rather I was insulting Michelle directly.  She gave herself away during the campaign, and although I applaud the administration for keeping her yap pretty well shut except for speaking about obesity and veterans issues (typical 1st lady causes), I know who she is.

I'm not trying to deflect from the questions, rather I answered them in ways that I thought actually applied to  the topic.  You seem to have an agenda with them, and since I don't know where you are going with this  I guess I won't give you the answers you are looking for because I don't know what you are looking for.  So I'll just say I've answered enough.

You've gone to a great deal of effort to fight about a subject that we are already about 98% in agreement.  But we disagree greatly on what I would consider far more important issues. Why are you more interested in monkey pictures than the very real differences between Republicans and Democrats on the 2012 budget, the debt ceiling, taxes, or the future of medicare?

Thanks!

If you'll notice, in the News header, I've apologized to the apes of the world for ever comparing them to Bush.


You're defending this woman by comparing her to a bigot that was in the KKK decades ago????


How 'bout a reply to this?

Aside from the obvious disrespect and hate for our First Lady, you have a knack for showing disrespect to women in general, ya know? Should Michelle just stay in the kitchen instead of speaking out about any issues? It's amazing that in this day and age you and the Republican party are soooo terrorized of women. Unless, of course, they're pretty and dumb like Sarah and Michelle. But they're both the Party's token female politicians, so what do you care?

And, really? Bringing up the "proud to be an American" thing again? Two and a half years later?

Just how many people, including yourself, have indicated they're not proud to be Americans lately in their words and actions?

that's no more than I expected.. we'll never get you down firmly on one side or the other will we...


cuz this topic wasn't about those things?

Aren't those issues being discussed elsewhere on here? Let's just leave this thread about Obama being a monkey born in Africa of a Socialist baboon and a Hawaiian whore who then proceeded to create with their infant son the ultimate plan to take over the world with a Marxist socialist society where everyone gets government freebies?

Meanwhile...why not quit the Kazz-bot routine with ekg and actually answer some of the questions others have posed here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdoGVgj1MtY

And again I say, thanks!


Nope.  I'm not defending her at all.  Great job mister stretchy-so-far-to-make-a-point-that-your-point-becomes-meaningless.

You and ekg really need me to defend her for some reason, and when I don't, it's like you just can't accept it.


Don't go changin', to try to please me.  I didn't want you to change the thread title, I wanted you to explain it.  Then you changed it.  And then I tried to get you to explain your change and you wouldn't explain that either.

I don't know what exactly you want me to reply to.  I've already said I thought a county chairman was kind of a low level and not really a national news story.  You do.  So what's there to reply to?

Otherwise a story about a fomer KKK and current Democrat in a Florida mayor's race would have been national news.

http://winterhaven.wtsp.com/news/news/former-kkk-leader-mayoral-candidate-speaks/49273 (http://winterhaven.wtsp.com/news/news/former-kkk-leader-mayoral-candidate-speaks/49273)

  I don't hate our First Lady although I don't like her or trust her.  So what?   Should I?  So how do you get disrespect for women in general from this?    I'm not keeping her "in the kitchen"  the White House is.  If you want her out and about more talking about national policy and current issues I'm not the guy to bitch too.

And yes I'm bringing up the "proud" comment.  Most people can say a lot of dumb things that don't really mean, but that comment sounded to me like she meant what she said.  And I think the Obama campaign and later the administration did too since she has been on mommy duty ever since.  Believe me, I anxiously await the day she's let out of cage the administration is keeping her in and she goes around the country talking about the issues.

Let Michelle be Michelle!

I am proud to be American, so I don't know what you're talking about.  Where have I indicated that I'm not proud to be an American?

But...as I've already shown you, she the county* chairperson wasn't a "kind of a low level". She's the leader of what is arguably one of the largest Republican bastions in the country...


Oh. And let's clear up this little "elected" bit right now, too.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-17/news/29464933_1_racist-e-mail-president-obama-central-committee


Hope you're having Humble Pie for Easter.  ;D

http://www.ocgop.org/ocgop_bylaws.pdf

Sorry, that is not an elected official.  You know better than that, or worse, you don't.


Frankly you should be chowing down on that humble pie for even trying to pass her off as an elected official.

OMFG!

Handle it ekg!

yeah right... like he'll listen to me.

I love how he's literal when he wants to be, but when he's called out the literal goes flying out the window.

It's not me being called out, it's a matter of you being wrong.  Being "elected" a chairperson of a county political party is not being an "elected official."  You know that.  Don't you ever wonder why you make it so difficult for me to take you seriously?  And I really try.

That makes one of us.

how did she get her job?

Thought I'd go back to a point I missed:


The irony of you comparing an elected official of the Republican Party (there? Is that better?) in one of the largest counties in the nation with a population of 3,026,786 - that's MILLIONS ripe with racist Republicans to the village of Winter Haven, Florida, with its population of 32,577 - that's THOUSANDS (est. 2007) (most likely also ripe with racist Republicans, but that's another thread...) with a non-elected official - merely a candidate for mayor - simply amazes me!

The fact that you think that one is "not really a national news story" when it's dealing with (again) an elected official of the Republican Party (there? Is that better?) in one of the largest counties in the nation with a population of 3,026,786 - that's MILLIONS, yet you think that the one who's a mayoral candidate in East Podunck, Floriduh with its population of 32,577 - that's THOUSANDS should be considered "a national news story" simply amazes me even more!

See the point is the GOP partisan hacks can't admit it is racism. It destroys the whole we hate Obama for his policies not his race shit, they trot out all the time.
The sad part is the partisan hacks have basically gift wrapped the election to Obama with all their other crap. I was on another forum and read a thread about Obama not celebrating Easter but celebrating Muslim holidays. This is a national forum which a year or two ago the thread would have gotten a lot of support. Now most of the moderates are like,"Shut the fuck up about this shit" The GOP hacks have beaten the horse so much, the middle are starting to feel bad for the horse. The spin is now back-firing. The GOP have gone to the personal attacks on Obama well so much it is now dry.

Frankly, I'm surprised lilMike hasn't brought that one up yet. It was front page center on Drudge. If Sam was here, I'm sure he would have though.

The claim that was made? Big fucking deal! (http://mediamatters.org/blog/201104260011)

Well see...it's different because...well, ummmm...IT JUST IS!...GOSH!!!

good point..

that was Drudge's headline yesterday..

no, really  these three were all in order together all day yesterday..


Obama skips statement on Easter; has commemorated all Muslim holidays... *
Obama's Easter pastor equated Limbaugh with KKK... *
VIDEO: Carney laughs off questions, mocks reporters... *

hey, is that Rick Flair in your sig pic?

To be the man you have to beat the man. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Yep that is him.

hahahhahahhahahhahahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

I swear. I didn't even look at Drudge yesterday. Too busy. But when I saw that story I just knew that when it turned up on here I could post:

Are you guys telling me that in Orange Co. California, the Republican Party chairman is actually elected on a county wide ballot of registered Republicans?
You may be shocked to know that usually county wide chairman are elected at convention with maybe hundreds of attendees.
I bet most Orange County Republicans couldn’t have named her, or knew when she was elected, until this email came out. 
I bet there were a hell of a lot more people voting in East Podunck, Floriduh than at that country convention.  By thousands. 
You guys are really tolerant of klanners for some reason.

how did she get her job?

What did I just say?

1)How did she get her job.

Are you guys telling me that in Orange Co. California, the Republican Party chairman is actually elected on a county wide ballot of registered Republicans?--Not an answer



2)How did she get her job.

You may be shocked to know that usually county wide chairman are elected at convention with maybe hundreds of attendees.--Not an answer



3)How did she get her job.

I bet most Orange County Republicans couldn’t have named her, or knew when she was elected, until this email came out.--Not an answer



4)How did she get her job. 

I bet there were a hell of a lot more people voting in East Podunck, Floriduh than at that country convention. --Not an answer




5)How did she get her job.

By thousands. --Not an answer


6)How did she get her job.

You guys are really tolerant of klanners for some reason.--Not an answer



not a single answer actually answers the question you were asked.. you hint,hem,haw.. but never give an answer.. you came close with number 2, but it's still not an actual answer..since we're not talking 'usually'... I'm asking directly, specifically, how did this woman, who you claim is not 'elected' get her job...


btw, no one here is "shocked" at anything other than your refusal to answer how this woman got her job and this idea that a candidate for mayor in a small, small town in FL deserves the same kind of press as an actual working member of your party in one on the largest districts in the country..  This 'tit for tat' you are trying to invoke is beneath intelligent discourse.. For Christ's sake, stop it already. You look like a fucking fool picking lint out of your butt and trying to use it to take the heat off the wall of shit someone in your party just got caught dumping.. a someone who means nothing in the world at all to you.. Jesus, imagine if it had been someone you actually care about.. The mind reels at the level you will stoop to to deflect away from their error....

just look at what she did, call it out and move the fuck on. This vendetta of yours to prove somehow she wasn't a 'real' official, or this no-name candidate from a no-name town should garner the same press to deflect away from a mistake made by someone with (R) after their name is retarded..

you are really tying my patience with this line of Kaz-bot, right at all costs, bullshit you can't seem to shake.. wake the fuck up already.

Here's why he never answered the question, even though the answer was posted on here already. He just couldn't take off the blinders long enough to read it, see where he was wrong, and admit to his error.




Mike better be glad this is here and not elsewhere...I recall being banned before for having to apologize for something when I wasn't wrong (several times, actually).

So. Apologize, Mike.

It's amazing to me that you both want to actually fight over the the term, "elected official."  My entire life that has meant someone elected to a government position by the people.  City Councilman, mayor, state representative, governor, Congressman, Senator, and President.  So here we are, and you guys are going to the mat over your brand new, most broadest possible definition of "elected offical."  Now we all know that a county political party chairman isn't an "elected official" by the usual definitions, although this GOP chairwoman is elected and she is an official.  Is that what you are hanging by a thread on?

The real question is, why is this so important to you when you both know in the most common venacular, she isn't one.  She isn't elected by voters, but by a small clique of party insiders, just like every other county party chairman.  Have you ever gone to the ballot and seen party chairman on your ballot?  You already know the answer. 

So I'm really not sure what point you are trying to prove.  Orange County registered Republicans never voted for her on any ballot, so she never ran on a campaign of "vote for me and an Obama monkey photo in every inbox."

So no, I'm not going to apologize.  My recommendation is that you both stop embarressing yourselves trying to make a non existent point.

You won't do it of course, you will continue posting this idiocy, which works out great for me because I love to have threads like this saved!  They make great reminders for the future.

And Howey, I don't like to be threatened with a ban.  Recent experiences have made that rub me the wrong way.  If you want to ban me, just do it.  Although I suspect you need me here more than I need to be here.

But just remember why you are doing it.  Because you tried to make a really stupid point, and you thought through repetition you could bore me enough to throw up my hands.  Well you have succeeded in boring me, that's true, however you insane insistence on an idiotic point is  worth a couple more pages of this to me.