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« Reply #75 on: February 10, 2012, 11:22:58 am » |
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You guys do remember Obama opted out of the public financing program for the general election in 2008 don't you?
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« Reply #76 on: February 10, 2012, 11:25:20 am » |
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yes... and?
I guess he thinks CU was around back then. His timelines have had a lot of issues lately, ya know... |
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« Reply #77 on: February 10, 2012, 02:59:11 pm » |
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I guess he thinks CU was around back then. His timelines have had a lot of issues lately, ya know...
It's all well and good for someone to want to use public funds only, or not use super-pacs.. but if the other side is using 100's of millions in SP and opting out of public financing then what is the other candidate to do? stand on principal and watch the Rove,Koch,and Friess spend 100's of millions blanketing each market with negative ads and hope for the best? what and wind up like Newt did in FL? I'd love to see Obama say no, but in the post CU world we live in, he'd be stupid to.. |
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« Reply #78 on: February 10, 2012, 07:42:09 pm » |
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I guess he thinks CU was around back then. His timelines have had a lot of issues lately, ya know...
No I don't think CU was around then. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make? |
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« Reply #79 on: February 10, 2012, 08:01:46 pm » |
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No I don't think CU was around then. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make?
My point is obvious. Obama wouldn't have had to embrace the PAC if CU didn't exist. Although it seems your comrades are beginning to realize what a horrible mistake CU was. |
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« Reply #80 on: February 10, 2012, 08:05:39 pm » |
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My point is obvious. Obama wouldn't have had to embrace the PAC if CU didn't exist. Although it seems your comrades are beginning to realize what a horrible mistake CU was.
He abandoned public financing without CU. Really, my "comrades" are abandoning the First Amendment? Boy that amendment has really been taking a beating! |
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« Reply #81 on: February 12, 2012, 01:28:24 pm » |
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He abandoned public financing without CU.
Really, my "comrades" are abandoning the First Amendment? Boy that amendment has really been taking a beating!
I guess so! Republicans celebrated two years ago when the Supreme Court issued a ruling that allowed groups, corporations, unions and individuals to spend unlimited amounts on campaigns, as long as those efforts were not coordinated with the campaigns.
They now realize that the new unregulated money is one of the main reasons, whether for good or bad, that the race continues and remains so unpredictable.
Before that ruling, when a campaign ran out of money, the candidate usually dropped out. Fundraising networks were also the tool by which the establishment bestowed its benediction upon a favorite contender and crowded everyone else out.
The most spectacularly successful example of that strategy in recent years was the one employed in 2000 by George W. Bush and the “Pioneers,” who each committed to raise $100,000 toward his election. They did it the old-fashioned way, by bringing in 100 checks for $1,000 each.
But that kind of money looks like chump change compared with, say, the $11 millionthat Las Vegas casino mogul Sheldon Adelson and his family have donated to a super PAC that supports Newt Gingrich. Without those contributions, it is hard to see how Gingrich’s candidacy would be alive today. |
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« Reply #82 on: February 12, 2012, 07:10:59 pm » |
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Which Republican candidate has denounced CU again? |
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« Reply #83 on: February 12, 2012, 07:30:43 pm » |
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Which Republican candidate has denounced CU again?
John McCain? |
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« Reply #84 on: February 12, 2012, 07:34:25 pm » |
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John McCain?
Breaking news, but John McCain isn't a Republican candidate, for President or anything else this year. But thanks for playing! |
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« Reply #85 on: February 13, 2012, 12:13:55 pm » |
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Breaking news, but John McCain isn't a Republican candidate, for President or anything else this year.
But thanks for playing!
I don't believe you said 2012 candidate, did you? Look around here...there's a thread with Romney complaining about Gingrich using PAC money against him in SC; there's Gingrich complaining about Romney using PAC money against him in Florida. The way the Republican fight for the non-nomination is going, they're all going to fight each other out and run out of money before the brokered convention. Then Obama's PAC will wipe the streets of Tampa with their asses all the way to a sweeping reelection. Even if the pubs don't lose the House (which it's beginning to look like they will), look for bill after bill repealing CU after the election... |
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« Reply #86 on: February 13, 2012, 06:30:59 pm » |
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I don't believe you said 2012 candidate, did you?
Now that's just dumb, even by your standards. There was no CU when he was a candidate. Look around here...there's a thread with Romney complaining about Gingrich using PAC money against him in SC; there's Gingrich complaining about Romney using PAC money against him in Florida.
The way the Republican fight for the non-nomination is going, they're all going to fight each other out and run out of money before the brokered convention. Then Obama's PAC will wipe the streets of Tampa with their asses all the way to a sweeping reelection.
Even if the pubs don't lose the House (which it's beginning to look like they will), look for bill after bill repealing CU after the election...
Romney and Gingrich complaining about being attacked is different than either of them complaining about the Citizens United decision. And in any case, in that other thread, I said even if they did complain about Citizens United... I don't care. The first amendment is bigger than any set of candidates. I care about the constitution more than I care about any set of candidates. Too bad you can't say the same! |
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« Reply #87 on: February 13, 2012, 06:45:05 pm » |
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Now that's just dumb, even by your standards. There was no CU when he was a candidate.
Romney and Gingrich complaining about being attacked is different than either of them complaining about the Citizens United decision. And in any case, in that other thread, I said even if they did complain about Citizens United... I don't care. The first amendment is bigger than any set of candidates. I care about the constitution more than I care about any set of candidates.
Too bad you can't say the same!
Still towing that line, huh? I don't remember either Newt or Mittens bitching about their 1st Amendment rights, but they sure were screaming about those anonymous super PACS! |
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« Reply #88 on: February 13, 2012, 06:48:14 pm » |
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Still towing that line, huh? I don't remember either Newt or Mittens bitching about their 1st Amendment rights, but they sure were screaming about those anonymous super PACS!
Why are you so concerned for Mitt and Newt's feelings when I'm not? Liberty is more important than their egos. |
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« Reply #89 on: February 13, 2012, 06:49:23 pm » |
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Why are you so concerned for Mitt and Newt's feelings when I'm not?
Liberty is more important than their egos.
Thank you, lilPaul. Now scuttle off and write a racist newsletter, mkay? |
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