Don't worry, at this point, I don't expect better of you.
Howey brought up the charitable donations. Now you're turning it around and making it my issue? You guys can dish it, but when it comes to taking it, you freak out.
what? where did Howie bring up charitable donations?
you made this line of talk your issue with your
"You don't know the history of the 2008 election very well. Hillary was for the individual mandate and Obama opposed it. Obama only signed on after Congress wrote the bill for him. Are you getting more ill informed as time goes on? You were on top of these issues in 2008."CLASS act? Puhleeze! you didn't bring that up for quite a few posts after your non-relavant post above.. you had no intention of anything other than starting shit, you had no intentions of starting a conversation with that.. so it's hilarious that you would accuse me being unable to talk policy when you're the one throwing shit in the room and laughing about it.. you are the one can never,ever 'take it' when it's dished to you..
And you are incorrect. The GOP wasn't for mandates, then suddenly Obama got behind them and the Republicans tossed it overboard. Gingrich is for mandates, but he's not representative on that issue. When were Republicans supporting a mandate last? 1994? The idea that Republicans supported mandates until Obama got behind them is ridiculous. Really going off the rails there...
here are those rails.. hold on..
The concept of the individual health insurance mandate originated in 1989 at the conservative Heritage Foundation. In 1993, Republicans twice introduced health care bills that contained an individual health insurance mandate. Advocates for those bills included prominent Republicans who today oppose the mandate including Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Charles Grassley (R-IA), Robert Bennett (R-UT), and Christopher Bond (R-MO). In 2007, Democrats and Republicans introduced a bi-partisan bill containing the mandate.
http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=0041821. Nov. 20, 1993
(date introduced) Consumer Choice Health Security Act (SB 1743) (624 KB) Sponsored by Senator Don Nickles (R-OK) & 24 Republican cosponsors
2. Nov. 23, 1993
(date introduced) Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act (SB 1770) (1.6 MB) Sponsored by Senator John H. Chafee (R-RI) & 20 cosponsors (2-D, 18-R)
that's more than just Newt right there.. That's a lot more.. in fact, that last one was the GOP's universal healthcare bill
"Subtitle F: Universal Coverage - Requires each citizen or lawful permanent resident to be covered under a qualified health plan or equivalent health care program by January 1, 2005. Provides an exception for any individual who is opposed for religious reasons to health plan coverage, including those who rely on healing using spiritual means through prayer alone.
Holy shit would you look at that.. Uni Healthcare a GOP idea... well, until Obama wanted it.
3. Jan. 18, 2007
(date introduced) Healthy Americans Act (SB 334) (427 KB) Sponsored by Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) & 17 cosponsors (7-D, 1-I, 9-R)
4. Feb. 5, 2009
(date introduced) Healthy Americans Act (SB 391) (394 KB) Sponsored by Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) & 14 cosponsors (8-D, 1-I, 5-R)
all the way up until Obama
5. Dec. 24, 2009
(date passed) Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (HR 3590) (2.2 MB) No sponsors. Bill re-written by Senate Democrats. No Republican Senator voted for the bill.
No republican's then..
so how in the hell am I incorrect,ridiculous or going off the rails?
answer? I'm not... you forgot to look into the issue and it shows with your inaccurate ranting..
also, when I said "The individual mandate was around before Hillarycare, it was what the GOP was going to 'counter' her idea with.. "
I was correct there also..
This tells you something about why Republican party leaders have had such a hard time addressing health policy issues over the last few years. Rather than make a prolonged case for health policy that does not involve endless expansion of entitlements and insurance subsidies, the GOP has instead focused primarily on reacting to Democratic proposals.
The individual mandate was an attempt to beat Democrats at the universal coverage game and preempt the what would become HillaryCare. http://reason.com/blog/2011/10/20/democrats-learned-about-obamac You were too busy ranting that Republicans supported mandates until Obama became President!
rant would seem to suggest that I was wrong... clearly, I wasn't..
care to apologize now?
bone up on your facts next time...
