Howie said I could-Mainstream reports FBI's dity hands

[FooFa]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?_r=2&fb_source=message

[Howey]

Why not?

[ekg]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opinion/sunday/terrorist-plots-helped-along-by-the-fbi.html?_r=2&fb_source=message

why are their hands dirty?

I mean, say I'm dealing drugs and someone hears me say "Damn that Sean Hannity, I wish someone would blow the Fox News building up"...of course I'm just angry and venting and not serious at all.

well a few days later a new 'friend' pops up saying stuff like "man, I can get my hands on some ANFO, wanna party?".. I'm  going to walk very slowly out the door and probably call 911.. because I was only kidding when I said that about Hannity. Was just venting and nothing more.. BUT, the person who is seriously wanting to level Fox News, is going make that new 'friend' his best friend..

entrapment is a bitch...but I think most every time, that you've got to be making some pretty cut and dry decisions on your own during the 'sting', like actually pushing the button on the dummy bomb... and that's where you're no longer being 'entrapped'..

but that's not to say entrapment doesn't happen.. it would have to be looked at on a case by case basis I think..

I just don't think that news piece laid out any innocent bystanders tho.. so, why are their hands dirty?

[Howey]

why are their hands dirty?

I mean, say I'm dealing drugs and someone hears me say "Damn that Sean Hannity, I wish someone would blow the Fox News building up"...of course I'm just angry and venting and not serious at all.

well a few days later a new 'friend' pops up saying stuff like "man, I can get my hands on some ANFO, wanna party?".. I'm  going to walk very slowly out the door and probably call 911.. because I was only kidding when I said that about Hannity. Was just venting and nothing more.. BUT, the person who is seriously wanting to level Fox News, is going make that new 'friend' his best friend..

entrapment is a bitch...but I think most every time, that you've got to be making some pretty cut and dry decisions on your own during the 'sting', like actually pushing the button on the dummy bomb... and that's where you're no longer being 'entrapped'..

but that's not to say entrapment doesn't happen.. it would have to be looked at on a case by case basis I think..

I just don't think that news piece laid out any innocent bystanders tho.. so, why are their hands dirty?

When the intent is there it's ok. Would we rather these terrorists buy the weapons from us or Habib at the corner weapons factory?

btw - After what ekg and I have seen at lilMike's new home, good ol' FaFa and his conspiracies are downright sane!

[ekg]

When the intent is there it's ok. Would we rather these terrorists buy the weapons from us or Habib at the corner weapons factory?

btw - After what ekg and I have seen at lilMike's new home, good ol' FaFa and his conspiracies are downright sane!

HA!!!!!!!!! yep

[Howey]

HA!!!!!!!!! yep

http://popculturedoneright.smfforfree.com/index.php/topic,1331.0.html

[FooFa]

I respect your question ekg and there is certainly a time and place for isolated sting ops. However it's admitted information that the underwear bomber was put on the plane by fbi witnessed by Kurt Haskel, lawyer and whistle blower who is now running for congress because of the incident.



Just one example of absolute power corrupting absolutely ie toiling away at scenarios for setting up stings and unfortunately much worse.

Michael Chertof is of course the owner of the company who had already began manufacturing full body scanners before the underwear bomber which have been found to be very inefficient(http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/03/scanners-part3/0).

[FooFa]

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/fbi-informant-shaquille-azir-756123

[ekg]

I respect your question ekg and there is certainly a time and place for isolated sting ops. However it's admitted information that the underwear bomber was put on the plane by fbi witnessed by Kurt Haskel, lawyer and whistle blower who is now running for congress because of the incident.



Just one example of absolute power corrupting absolutely ie toiling away at scenarios for setting up stings and unfortunately much worse.

Michael Chertof is of course the owner of the company who had already began manufacturing full body scanners before the underwear bomber which have been found to be very inefficient(http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/03/scanners-part3/0).

Did the FBI make him light his panties on fire too?

see, that's where you lose me.. yea ok, maybe he wouldn't have designed the bomb, maybe he wouldn't have bough the supplies, maybe he wouldn't have stitched it all together, maybe he wouldn't have undressed, then redressed himself with the bomb,maybe he wouldn't have gotten into the car and driven to the airport,maybe he wouldn't have waited in line to check in, maybe he wouldn't have waited in the terminal for the plane to board, maybe he wouldn't have boarded,put on his seat belt, and waited for the plane to take off.. maybe he wouldn't have done any of that without the FBI there with the obvious gun to his head making him do all  those things on his own, but he did try and blow the panties up on his own.. and that's no longer 'collusion' or 'entrapment'..

you want to see big brother everywhere.. fine, but you haven't demonstrated it in this case.. yelling entrapment only gets you so far.. but when you've done 95% of it on you're own, it really doesn't get you anywhere..

as for the idea that the FBI put him up to it? Tell that to Al Qieda..

Detroit terror attack: al-Qaeda regional group claims responsibility
A regional wing of al-Qaeda, known as al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, has claimed responsibility for the failed Christmas Day attack on a US-bound passenger plane.

http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworldnews%2Fnorthamerica%2Fusa%2F6901918%2FDetroit-terror-attack-al-Qaeda-regional-group-claims-responsibility.html+&date=2010-01-16

frankly, I wouldn't have let you put this story out in the open since we both know you're going to make conspiracy laced statements, backed up by more conspiracy websites..because you see conspiracy everywhere, even when there isn't any there.. but it's Howie's board and he must have been bored when he let it fly.. LOL

[FooFa]

Yeah the same al qaeda that Brezinski talked about creating in a book in 1979. And the same al qaeda that was put in charge of Libya...

[FooFa]

US support to the Mujahideen initiated during the Carter administration led to the pumping of "billions of dollars into the Afghan cause and thousands of Islamic zealots were given specialist training in the US and Britain." (Review of John Cooley’s Unholy Wars - Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism, http://www.neue-einheit.com/mixed/terror/bookreview.htm ):

"In the United States they experienced tough courses in endurance, weapons use, sabotage, and killing techniques, communications and other skills. They were required to impart these skills to the scores of thousands of fighters who formed the centre and the base of the pyramid of holy war." (John K. Cooley, Unholy Wars - Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism, London Pluto Press, 1999, p. 81.)

General Zia ul-Haq was a protégé of both the Carter and Reagan administrations. His government played a key role in the recruitment and training of the Mujahideen:

The CIA became the grand coordinator: purchasing or arranging the manufacture of Soviet-style weapons from Egypt, China, Poland, Israel and elsewhere, or supplying their own; arranging for military training by Americans, Egyptians, Chinese and Iranians; hitting up Middle-Eastern countries for donations, notably Saudi Arabia which gave many hundreds of millions of dollars in aid each year, totaling probably more than a billion; pressuring and bribing Pakistan -- with whom recent American relations had been very poor -- to rent out its country as a military staging area and sanctuary; putting the Pakistani Director of Military Operations, Brigadier Mian Mohammad Afzal, onto the CIA payroll to ensure Pakistani cooperation. (Phil Gasper, Afghanistan, the CIA, bin Laden, and the Taliban International Socialist Review, November-December 2001, http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Afghanistan/Afghanistan_CIA_Taliban.html )

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO210B.html