Huckabee's "William Ayers"

[FooFa]

I also thought Huckabee made some sense at first back in '08. That looks like a before picture of people waking up to the realities of a heavy diet of fried food and additives. Sometimes kids are better looking than the parents they came from, not that time. I think there's something wrong in society when communicators are praised for being great at giving a speech such as was the case with Reagan. Forgetting the nonsense, bigotry and hatred for a moment of the man he was tauting. Shouldn't the greater point in observing someone you hold in high esteem be their record and actions?

Wouldn't the state's newspapers have a record of at least 80% of the important decisions that he made, budgets, etc...The fact that hard drives were destroyed is the larger issue as I see it. Why would such an upstanding Ward Cleaver have anything to hide?

It's troublesome enough when a young child shows violence to animals. Hanging a dog at 17 is at the very least psychotic if not an indication of a  sociopath. It speaks volumes about the home life at least potentially which is why he would have wanted it covered up.

[Howey]

It's troublesome enough when a young child shows violence to animals. Hanging a dog at 17 is at the very least psychotic if not an indication of a  sociopath. It speaks volumes about the home life at least potentially which is why he would have wanted it covered up.

My God. FaFa gets it and lilMike doesn't! (Then or now...)

[lil mike]

Ummm...since you like to bold/italicize stuff to make your point...I did the same thing in my very first post:


On the next page, although I didn't bold/italicize it, I made my point very clear - both on your stubborn refusal to get the point and on the real point of this conversation:

You continued this obstinate refusal to get the point...

...by naively insuinating that the only type of person who could influence Huckabee is a preacher...

We may or may not have because we didn't know about Obama or Wright (to a great extent) until then. Of course, you always had William Ayers to fall back on.



AHA!

Hold on...

Well go ahead, make the William Ayers case.  Don't just drop the name.  Make your argument.

You know, wow.  Once again, right about Think Progress.  I listened to that video and the comment about listening at gunpoint.  It was a laugh line.  There were laughs after that.  However reading the Think Progress description of the same thing, it wasn't laughs, it was applause.  Keep using TP though.  It makes things so easy for me...

Now, why is this important, because all of you guys were real supporters of Huckabee before this came out?     Huckabee isn't my type of Republican, he's a social/religious conservative and a fiscal liberal, so I didn't support him in 2008 and I wasnt' going to support him in 2012, if he was running, which I can't imagine he would.  He's already responded to that and admits he just couldn't raise that kind of money.  So you can all breath easily.

But I hate for you guys to just causally drop inaccuracies and innuendo for the purpose of smearing someone.  If your info is correct, than go ahead, but I notice accuracy is not a strength on certian lefty websites.  Unfortunately it seems to be the ones you prefer to use.

[ekg]

Finally.  Even though it took 4 pages, you finally told me.  The REAL issue is what Huckabee agreed with this guy about.

OK actually that wasnt' your real issue, it's merely the fall back one.  It's amazing that it took this long, but rather than just being straight, you guys wanted to run round and round, trying to hang on to a false meme.  Even when I agreed with you it just seemed to irritate you more.

I've zero interest in game playing.  If you have an issue, just plainly say what it is.  What I think you wanted the issue to be was to just past this guy off as Huckabee's preacher.  Thats why no one could dare agree with me that he wasn't.

Then the attack was on me for trying to "dodge" the issue.   I just wonder how long you would have repeated this idea about him being Huckabee's preacher if I hadn't called you guys on it.

yeeeaahh, noo..

that's not it at all..

but nice try..

btw, I made my point 3rd post down from  the 1st one..and it was pretty plain..upfront, and unmistakable..

really?

wright's followers said every American should be held hostage, at gun point, and forced to listen to his sermons?

cuz, that's pretty fucking crazy.. and would make anything that a follower of Wright would say, sane..

and since a guy who wants to be president is saying this.. it's past fucking crazy and into scary as hell..

but you were just starting your disagreement with the title and that went on for a few pages.. so I'm sure you missed it..

[lil mike]

yeeeaahh, noo..

that's not it at all..

but nice try..

btw, I made my point 3rd post down from  the 1st one..and it was pretty plain..upfront, and unmistakable..

but you were just starting your disagreement with the title and that went on for a few pages.. so I'm sure you missed it..

You know, wow.  Once again, right about Think Progress.  I listened to that video and the comment about listening at gunpoint.  It was a laugh line.  There were laughs after that.  However reading the Think Progress description of the same thing, it wasn't laughs, it was applause.  Keep using TP though.  It makes things so easy for me...

[ekg]

sure, it just took 5 pages that's all..

HA!

[Howey]

Well go ahead, make the William Ayers case.  Don't just drop the name.  Make your argument.

You know, wow.  Once again, right about Think Progress.  I listened to that video and the comment about listening at gunpoint.  It was a laugh line.  There were laughs after that.  However reading the Think Progress description of the same thing, it wasn't laughs, it was applause.  Keep using TP though.  It makes things so easy for me...

You're kidding, right? I just went back and listened too. There was lots of "enthusiastic applause"! And words of encouragement too, something like "Yeah! That's right!"

The video, btw, came from Right Wing Watch, not TP. Now on to Think Progress...http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/31/mike-huckabee-david-barton/


Oh. I'm glad I went back, though. The last paragraph (the one mentioning applause) had another interesting note:

But those watching the webcast of the event might be shocked to learn of Huckabee’s comments. As the Military Religious Freedom Foundation’s Chris Rodda notes, the webcast of the event edited out the “forced at gunpoint” comments — which, incidentally, received enthusiastic applause.

funny you saw the word "applause" but nothing about the comments being scrubbed, huh?

[FooFa]

Isn't it interesting that back when Trent Lott made a comment about then Senator Strom Thurmond it was so explosive that he had to step down as speaker of the house. He said that we would have been a lot better off all these years if Strom had been elected in 1948.

 http://articles.cnn.com/2002-12-09/politics/lott.comment_1_dixiecrat-party-lott-strom-thurmond?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

And yet Obama's preacher and this case are about things happening in the present and they are practically ignored.

[Howey]

Isn't it interesting that back when Trent Lott made a comment about then Senator Strom Thurmond it was so explosive that he had to step down as speaker of the house. He said that we would have been a lot better off all these years if Strom had been elected in 1948.

 http://articles.cnn.com/2002-12-09/politics/lott.comment_1_dixiecrat-party-lott-strom-thurmond?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

And yet Obama's preacher and this case are about things happening in the present and they are practically ignored.

Barton's a racist? Who woulda thunk? I guess since we're on the Obama=Myers kick, I guess Huckabee's a racist too? (See Below)

Perhaps most alarming, Barton also has had a relationship with the racist and anti-Semitic fringes of the far right. According to Skipp Porteous of the Massachusetts-based Institute for First Amendment Studies, Barton was listed in promotional literature as a "new and special speaker" at a 1991 summer retreat in Colorado sponsored by Scriptures for America, a far-right ministry headed by Pastor Pete Peters. Peters' organization, which is virulently anti-Semitic and racist, spreads hysteria about Jews and homosexuals and has been linked to neo-Nazi groups. (The organization distributes a booklet called Death Penalty For Homosexuals.)

Peters' church is part of the racist "Christian Identity" movement. and three members of The Order, a violent neo-Nazi organization, formerly attended Peters' small congregation in LaPorte, Cole. After members of The Order murdered Denver radio talk show host Alan Berg in the mid 1980s, critics of Peters' ministry in Colorado charged that his hate-filled sermons had spurred the assassination.

well before he was a nationally known political star, Huckabee nurtured a relationship with America's largest white supremacist group, the Council of Conservative Citizens. The extent of Huckabee's interaction with the racist group is unclear, but this much is known: he accepted an invitation to speak at the group's annual conference in 1993 and ultimately delivered a videotaped address that was "extremely well received by the audience."

[ekg]

Isn't it interesting that back when Trent Lott made a comment about then Senator Strom Thurmond it was so explosive that he had to step down as speaker of the house. He said that we would have been a lot better off all these years if Strom had been elected in 1948.

 http://articles.cnn.com/2002-12-09/politics/lott.comment_1_dixiecrat-party-lott-strom-thurmond?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

And yet Obama's preacher and this case are about things happening in the present and they are practically ignored.

people liked Strom..

they don't like Obama and believe what's said about him.. even when it's not him, it's his preacher.. so it's ok and ignored.

they do like Huck, so his wish for America is ignored because one of 2 things would happen.. he'd go down in the polls and have to hide in shame if it was addressed... or worse, and probably the most accurate, he'd go up in polls and scare the fuck out of every non-extremist alive HA! 

it's seriously a crap shoot at this point as to which is the most likely..

[lil mike]

You're kidding, right? I just went back and listened too. There was lots of "enthusiastic applause"! And words of encouragement too, something like "Yeah! That's right!"

The video, btw, came from Right Wing Watch, not TP. Now on to Think Progress...http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/31/mike-huckabee-david-barton/


Oh. I'm glad I went back, though. The last paragraph (the one mentioning applause) had another interesting note:

funny you saw the word "applause" but nothing about the comments being scrubbed, huh?

So you heard no laughter, only applause right after Huckabee made that comment?  Nahh.  Listen again.

The video was on both right wing watch and TP.  At least RWW didn't try to mischaracterize it (other than the obvious!)  Something you already know if you saw the comment about the gun comment being scrubbed, so why are you trying to bullshit me when you already know I saw the comment?

As far as the comment being scrubbed, it may have been scrubbed on the site they were speaking about (although since the TP article stated it, that makes it questionable) but it wasn't scrubbed on the two versions you posted, so why would I mention that?

Now I'm still waiting for the Bill Ayers connection.  I thought you were going to elaborate on that?

[Howey]

So you heard no laughter, only applause right after Huckabee made that comment?  Nahh.  Listen again.

Did I say I didn't hear laughter?

You're kidding, right? I just went back and listened too. There was lots of "enthusiastic applause"! And words of encouragement too, something like "Yeah! That's right!"

I did, however, mention the laughter in my first attempt at a reply to you, which got lost in the webverse. There was a spattering of laughter following his lame jokes...even up to his gun comment. Right after that (1.24?) the applause started.

Now why did you say there wasn't any applause?

As far as the comment being scrubbed, it may have been scrubbed on the site they were speaking about (although since the TP article stated it, that makes it questionable) but it wasn't scrubbed on the two versions you posted, so why would I mention that?

You were the one down there reading all about the laughter, not me. (In all actuality, I think that paragraph was added later.) Anyhow, here's the scrubbed video, direct from Barton's website:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJUQ4xQG064&feature=player_embedded

Of course, we all remember Huck's love of guns and violence. Remember this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8zBYx3RigI&feature=related

[ekg]

scrubbed/mischaracterized/laughing/applause..

it really doesn't matter at this point because John Stewart talked to Huck about this guy and Huck has a total man-crush on him and thinks he's not only 100% historically correct in everything he says, but that he so 'sourced' that it's impossible to find any fault with him..and yes, he want people to hear what the man has to say.. it's love...Huck-style..

[lil mike]

Did I say I didn't hear laughter?

I did, however, mention the laughter in my first attempt at a reply to you, which got lost in the webverse. There was a spattering of laughter following his lame jokes...even up to his gun comment. Right after that (1.24?) the applause started.

So there we have it.  There was laughter, and if you are admitting the obvious, that it was a joke, lame or not, then what difference does it make?  Unless he seriously as a matter of policy wants to have kids taught from this guy at gunpoint, this entire thing is a nonstory, just like I thought.

Now why did you say there wasn't any applause?

You were the one down there reading all about the laughter, not me. (In all actuality, I think that paragraph was added later.) Anyhow, here's the scrubbed video, direct from Barton's website:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJUQ4xQG064&feature=player_embedded

There wasn't any applause after his joke. That was what TP was stating.  Of course they weren't calling it a joke.

Wow, all these pages, and it turned out to be nothing to this story.  Even though everyone seemed to fight all the way to the end, then... poof!

This is a good example of how you guys are so easily manipulated by the press, even this far left version of it.  Can't you do a little critical thinking when you read articles like this?  I mean doesn't this sound too good to be true?  A major Republican wants to hold a gun to the head of every kid to learn history from a kook?  President Huckabee was going to have an Education bill that will provide armed guards to aim weapons at children to make sure they learn history from a nut?

It's kind of scary that you guys fall for this stuff so easily.

Since everything you've claimed about this story has been shown as bullshit, there is still one missing thread to this before we put it to bed:  What is the William Ayers connection?  It must be a big one since the title was edited to that effect.  So I'm curious.  Give me the William Ayers argument.

[Howey]

If you seriously didn't hear applause then I guess this conversation is over.