Burkha Burkha Burkha!

[FooFa]

France arrests Muslim women as full-face veil ban begins

It kind of relates to my personal Face rule as well . If you want to live in society you have to show your face. You're making a spectacle of yourself in the attempt to be humble before God. It's wrong. People should be allowed to do whatever they want in their place of worship or in their homes if it's not harming anyone but not in public. And even though I believe(know)there was a lot more to 911, I've not heard much if any outcry from Muslims trying to set the record straight about fundamentalism and themselves. I think it's because if they take the Koran completely to heart, it does call for violence against non believers.

Every religion almost, changes through the years or decades even centuries. I don't think any such thing has ever occurred with Muslims which is a big part of the problem. Like in mine, pagans used to do animal and possibly human sacrifices, we're talking before the copper age, before Jesus but if any of that is still going on it's probably satanists and not pagans. Everything I've found on it in the modern day and the people I know who follow earth centered religion, do all of that stuff symbolically.

[clc]

France arrests Muslim women as full-face veil ban begins

I stuck this here because I consider that religion to be as crazy as Mormons. It kind of relates to my personal Face rule as well . If you want to live in society you have to show your face. You're making a spectacle of yourself in the attempt to be humble before God. It's wrong. People should be allowed to do whatever they want in their place of worship or in their homes if it's not harming anyone but not in public. And even though I believe(know)there was a lot more to 911, I've not heard much if any outcry from Muslims trying to set the record straight about fundamentalism and themselves. I think it's because if they take the Koran completely to heart, it does call for violence against non believers.

Every religion almost, changes through the years or decades even centuries. I don't think any such thing has ever occurred with Muslims which is a big part of the problem. Like in mine, pagans used to do animal and possibly human sacrifices, we're talking before the copper age, before Jesus but if any of that is still going on it's probably satanists and not pagans. Everything I've found on it in the modern day and the people I know who follow earth centered religion, do all of that stuff symbolically.

I headcover. Not daily or 24-hours a day, but quite frequently. My head coverings vary from a wide cloth headband to a veil that completely covers my hair, to scarfs inbetween. I've worn a scarf tied hijabi style in the winter. It's a deeply personal decision for me.

Why should I care if someone thinks, like you, that I'm making a spectacle of myself? If a woman is veiling or covering by choice, she is doing to not make a spectacle of herself before GOD. Why should she care what other people think? How can it be wrong for a woman to wish to humble herself before God? How does a woman wearing a headscarf harm anyone?

It's such a disgusting flaunt of a society that is becoming increasingly ethno-exclusive (as most of Europe is, and now apparently us after the anti-Sheria laws started passing) to ban a woman the right of humbling herself before her creator, as well as following a tradition of her culture.

Muslim headcovering is a branch off of Christian headcovering. Check out paintings from the early Dark ages--the women are wearing "muslim" headcoverings. In fact, most women in the western world wore some form of a headcovering until the early 1900's.

[FooFa]

I see what you're saying Puff and I realize my opinion about that stuff is in error. I was thinking only of the black covering where you sometimes can't even make out what the eyes look like.

[clc]

I see what you're saying Puff and I realize my opinion about that stuff is in error. I was thinking only of the black covering where you sometimes can't even make out what the eyes look like.

So what?

So what if she wants to cover herself in a black cloth that completely hides the eyes from view? What does it matter to you, or the government of France? Are we gonna stop women from wearing tacky shirts with spray painted wolves on them? I think that's a spectacle. Or men with tits on their shirts? I think thats a spectacle too. Also, I really fucking hate the way leggings look on a woman, especially fat women---should we stop them from wearing those?

[FooFa]

It's just my personal opinion about the eye thing because it could be dangerous for various reasons, I don't however think it should be law.

[lil mike]

France arrests Muslim women as full-face veil ban begins

I stuck this here because I consider that religion to be as crazy as Mormons. It kind of relates to my personal Face rule as well . If you want to live in society you have to show your face. You're making a spectacle of yourself in the attempt to be humble before God. It's wrong. People should be allowed to do whatever they want in their place of worship or in their homes if it's not harming anyone but not in public. And even though I believe(know)there was a lot more to 911, I've not heard much if any outcry from Muslims trying to set the record straight about fundamentalism and themselves. I think it's because if they take the Koran completely to heart, it does call for violence against non believers.

Every religion almost, changes through the years or decades even centuries. I don't think any such thing has ever occurred with Muslims which is a big part of the problem. Like in mine, pagans used to do animal and possibly human sacrifices, we're talking before the copper age, before Jesus but if any of that is still going on it's probably satanists and not pagans. Everything I've found on it in the modern day and the people I know who follow earth centered religion, do all of that stuff symbolically.

I'm against France's law simply on freedom of religion principles.  Of course, it's France so my 1st amendment doesn't apply there.  But I don't see a problem with women of whatever religion walking around with a veil.  I do draw the line with driver's license pictures and so forth.  And a bank can probably keep you from entering if your face is covered up.  My Credit Union doesn't allow sunglasses inside.

[FooFa]

You make it sound like someone asked what time it was and I told them how not to build a clock 

[44nutman]

If you make the decision to go full burkah, then it comes with some limtations. If you want to go into a business, they have the right to tell you to remove it or leave. The DMV, airports and law enforcement have the right to ask you to remove it for security reasons.
I think the burkha is just another tool to suppress women. It is an outdated ideas and we have progressed as a society.

[Howey]

If you make the decision to go full burkah, then it comes with some limtations. If you want to go into a business, they have the right to tell you to remove it or leave. The DMV, airports and law enforcement have the right to ask you to remove it for security reasons.
I think the burkha is just another tool to suppress women. It is an outdated ideas and we have progressed as a society.

Agreed. If I owned a business it would be my rules, unless they break the law.

[FooFa]

If you make the decision to go full burkah, then it comes with some limtations. If you want to go into a business, they have the right to tell you to remove it or leave. The DMV, airports and law enforcement have the right to ask you to remove it for security reasons.
I think the burkha is just another tool to suppress women. It is an outdated ideas and we have progressed as a society.

Part of me agrees with that but I think it's more of a white male thing, ethnocentric. As Puffy mentioned for some women it's a personal choice and not blind obedience to paraphrase. I think pat of the action being taken against Muslims specifically is because of their sheer numbers and the influence that they will yield in the years to come. This, from Reuters, flat out dispels that view that Muslim birth rates are threatening.

[Howey]

Part of me agrees with that but I think it's more of a white male thing, ethnocentric. As Puffy mentioned for some women it's a personal choice and not blind obedience to paraphrase. I think pat of the action being taken against Muslims specifically is because of their sheer numbers and the influence that they will yield in the years to come. This, from Reuters, flat out dispels that view that Muslim birth rates are threatening.

My virus scanner wouldn't let me open that site so I went to the original Reuters source. From the article:

Continued migration will swell the ranks of Europe's Muslim minorities by one-third by 2030, to 8 percent of the region's inhabitants from 6 percent, it said.

Muslims in France will rise to 6.9 million, or 10.3 percent of the population, from 4.7 million (7.5 percent), in Britain to 5.6 million (8.2 percent) from 2.9 million and in Germany to 5.5 million (7.1 percent) from 4.1 million (5 percent).

The Muslim share of the U.S. population will grow from 0.8 percent in 2010 to 1.7 percent in 2030, "making Muslims roughly as numerous as Jews or Episcopalians are in the United States today," the study said.