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« on: April 24, 2011, 12:44:13 pm »

Do we have the right to vote? Not according to this guy!


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 Minnesota House Speaker Kurt Zellers (R) claimed that voting is "a privilege, it's not a right," according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune.

Said Zellers: "When you go to even a Burger King or a McDonalds and use your debit card, they'll ask you to see your ID. Should we have to do that when we vote, something that is one of the most sacred -- I think it's a privilege, it's not a right. Everybody doesn't get it, because if you go to jail or if you commit some heinous crime your rights are taken away. This is a privilege."
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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2011, 12:58:01 pm »

Do we have the right to vote? Not according to this guy!



It's not a US Constitutional right but it is a right under various state constitutions.
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2011, 05:51:05 pm »

It's not a US Constitutional right but it is a right under various state constitutions.

Really? That's not what was said when he changed his mind!

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The right to vote is explicitly referenced in several constitutional amendments, in addition to the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2011, 07:50:56 pm »


Some people have a problem with showing ID to vote? I don't understand why. Here they have a list and you tell them your name and they mark that you voted, I assume to stop people from voting more than once. I have plenty of problems with the civil liberties situation but I don't feel there's anything wrong with being asked to show ID.
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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2011, 08:10:58 pm »

Some people have a problem with showing ID to vote? I don't understand why. Here they have a list and you tell them your name and they mark that you voted, I assume to stop people from voting more than once. I have plenty of problems with the civil liberties situation but I don't feel there's anything wrong with being asked to show ID.

You don't understand. It's not about showing an ID to vote, that's already done. As you said, we need to provide proof of who we are. What's wanted now is a picture ID with an address within the jurisdiction. There's millions of poor and elderly out there who have never had a picture ID for various reasons, none of which are their fault.

Here in the State of Floriduh, the land of "Keep your gubmint away from me!" the requirements to renew, change, or otherwise get a new driver's license or state ID are bordering on the insane and extremely expensive. How can we expect our poor, elderly and disabled to comply?

Although some on here disagree with me, it's almost the same with college students. Kids live in a town for four, five, or more years to get an education and can't have a say in how that town's run? What about the folks who moved to a new town one, two or a few years ago? Can we tell them they can't vote because they haven't lived here long enough?

How about the military families? Are we going to tell them they can't vote either?

Here's the thing...these laws are solely intended to keep people from voting. 

Extra bonus question: Who do you think these groups normally vote for?
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2011, 09:48:03 pm »

Really? That's not what was said when he changed his mind!


Looks like he changed a correct answer to the wrong answer due to peer pressure!
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2011, 10:28:36 pm »

Looks like he changed a correct answer to the wrong answer due to peer pressure!

Now isn't THAT the Republican way!
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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2011, 05:02:30 pm »

Now isn't THAT the Republican way!

At least this guy is an actual elected official.
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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2011, 08:05:07 pm »

At least this guy is an actual elected official.

Just like that gal!
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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2011, 07:56:24 pm »

Just like that gal!

So did you agree with guy with his first statement, or after he corrected himself?
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2011, 08:02:54 pm »

So did you agree with guy with his first statement, or after he corrected himself?

So you don't think we have a constitutional right to vote?
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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2011, 08:11:44 pm »

So you don't think we have a constitutional right to vote?
Not that I'm aware of.  Educate me.
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