Osama Bin Dead

[FooFa]

http://thenewsbomb.com/2011/04/15/years-of-deceit-united-states-openly-admits-bin-laden-long-dead/

[Howey]

Those outlets questioning it are really making fools of themselves. How desperate are they for a clue...I have plenty of questions about foreign policy, etc...But the administration is not going to announce bin Laden's death as a rouse, ffs.

FOUR minutes later...

http://thenewsbomb.com/2011/04/15/years-of-deceit-united-states-openly-admits-bin-laden-long-dead/

*sigh*


I give up.

Oh. That was the worst photoshop I've ever seen. I've seen better jib jabs

[Howey]

First video from inside the compound.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-dead-abbottabad-mansion_n_856206.html

[Howey]

Only FOX could display this level of dumb. But I'm sure it's just a joke...

[ekg]

(CNN) -- The decision by President Barack Obama to launch the assault that killed Osama bin Laden was one of the "gutsiest" calls by any president in recent memory, Obama's top counterterrorism adviser said Monday.

John Brennan, assistant to the president for homeland security and counterterrorism, said that despite intelligence indicating that bin Laden was in the compound in Pakistan, there was no certainty the al Qaeda leader was actually there.

Obama "made what I believe was one of the ... gutsiest calls of any president in recent memory," Brennan said.

"It was probably one of the most anxiety-filled periods of time I think in the lives of the people who were assembled here yesterday," Brennan said, referring to the officials involved in overseeing the operation. "The minutes passed like days and the president was very concerned about the security of our personnel.

"When we finally were informed that those individuals who were able to go on that compound had found an individual that they believed was bin Laden there was a tremendous sigh of relief that what we believed and who we believed was in that compound actually was in that compound and was found. And the president was relieved once we had our people and those remains off target."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/02/bin.laden.dead/index.html?hpt=T1

you can almost feel the eyes rolling from the GOP can't you..

Look, I don't presume to give Obama all the credit since he didn't pull the trigger, but he did keep his word about going into Pakistan when he damn well felt like it if he found out OBL was there.. and it sounds as if while they were pretty sure it was OBL before they went, they weren't certain until they got there.. and that is pretty ballsy IMO.. 

But it also goes along with his entire presidency of higher  terrorists deaths..

so like him/love him/hate him just because.. he deserves his kudos in this..

I heard someone on some channel say this morning (not an exact quote) something along this of (with my own words added to his)

"I'm glad this wasn't a 'bombing' or a 'drone' attack, I'm glad that OBL got to hear the helicopters coming and got to know they were coming for him. I'm glad he got to hear and understand the automatic weapons fire was coming for him, I'm glad that he got to hear English being spoken by US Navy SEALS along with that gunfire. I'm glad he heard it,saw it and knew the US had finally caught him."

gave me goosebumps just typing it out...

[Howey]

It's not about a birth certificate anymore, it's about a death certificate. Just from the wording you can tell the implication that he's not dead without proof!

I must be psychic. Thanks, Breitbart!

The free world, particularly the United States, has a right to make sure Osama bin Laden is really dead. Every American has a right to walk right up to bin Laden’s corpse and view it. We are entitled to know for a fact that the witch is dead. No shroud for dignity’s sake, please – bin Laden’s naked, bullet-riddled corpse should be put on display in lower Manhattan for all the world to see. The entire body should be digitally scanned, inside and out – and made available for everyone to take his or her own picture

[Howey]

you can almost feel the eyes rolling from the GOP can't you..

You do know why, don't you?

They could trot out Jesus to run against Obama next year and end up with a landslide loss! Last time around, McCain was the sacrificial lamb, who will it be in 2012?

[ekg]

Love me some HRC

"You cannot wait us out, you cannot defeat us, but you can make the choice to abandon al Qaeda and participate in a peaceful, political process."

Clinton added that America will continue "relentlessly pursuing the murderers who target innocent people."

"The fight continues and we will never waver," she said. "Now I know there are some who doubted this day would ever come. Who questioned our resolve and our reach. But let us remind ourselves this is America. We rise to the challenge. We persevere. And we get the job done."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20058839-503544.html

 

[Howey]

Love me some HRC

"You cannot wait us out, you cannot defeat us, but you can make the choice to abandon al Qaeda and participate in a peaceful, political process."

Clinton added that America will continue "relentlessly pursuing the murderers who target innocent people."

"The fight continues and we will never waver," she said. "Now I know there are some who doubted this day would ever come. Who questioned our resolve and our reach. But let us remind ourselves this is America. We rise to the challenge. We persevere. And we get the job done."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20058839-503544.html

 

Clinton thanked everyone involved in taking down bin Laden and pointed to "our close cooperation with Pakistan," which she said "helped put unprecedented pressure on al Qaeda and its leadership." The comment was notable because the nature of bin Laden's hideout - he was found in a compound outside Islamabad near a military installation - has intensified questions about whether Pakistan had effectively been sheltering the terrorist leader.

This concerns me. I've never trusted Pakistan and if there's a conspiracy theory here it's that the Paki's knew bin Laden was holed up there. Hill's statement above really said: "OK. Are you assholes going to work with us now and get rid of all the terrorists or are we going to announce what you knew to the world?"

[ekg]

sorry, but no.. there is no 'debate' here..

White House Officials Debate Releasing Photographs of Bin Laden’s Corpse
The Obama administration has photographs of Osama bin Laden’s dead body and officials are debating what to do with them and whether they should be released to the public, officials tell ABC News.

“There’s no doubt it’s him,” says a US official who has seen the pictures and also reminds us that OBL was 6’4”.

The argument for releasing them: to ensure that the public knows and can appreciate that he's dead. There is of course skepticism throughout the world that the US government claim that it killed bin Laden is true.

The argument against releasing the pictures: they’re gruesome. He has a massive head wound above his left eye where he took bullet, with brains and blood visible.

In July 2003, the US government released photographs of Saddam Hussein’s dead sons Uday and Qusay Hussain but not until after they’d been touched up by a mortician, making them look not quite real.

I don't care how 'gruesome'.. release them, untouched, and be done with it..

[ekg]

This concerns me. I've never trusted Pakistan and if there's a conspiracy theory here it's that the Paki's knew bin Laden was holed up there. Hill's statement above really said: "OK. Are you assholes going to work with us now and get rid of all the terrorists or are we going to announce what you knew to the world?"

No, I think it was more to skewer their asses even more..  make it seem like they are helping, even when we know they're not.. they will get more 'respect' for not helping us.. so she's making sure to bust their balls some, by crediting them with helping.. 

Former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf on Monday accused the U.S. of violating his country’s sovereignty by sending in special forces to kill Osama bin Laden.

“American troops coming across the border and taking action in one of our towns, that is Abbottabad, is not acceptable to the people of Pakistan. It is a violation of our sovereignty,” Mr. Musharraf told CNN-IBN, an Indian news channel.

He added that it would have been “far better if Pakistani Special Services Group had operated and conducted the mission. To that extent, the modality of handling it and executing the operation is not correct.”

Bin Laden was killed Sunday in a firefight with Navy SEALs in a million-dollar, fortified compound located in an affluent neighborhood in Abbottabad, about a two-hour drive from Pakistan’s capital, Islamabad.

Senior U.S. officials, who briefed reporters early Monday, said the Obama administration did not inform Pakistani authorities of the mission until after it was concluded.   fuck yooooouuu buddy! he said he would do it, and he did

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/2/musharraf-bin-laden-mission-violated-pakistan/

ring-ring

Hey-uh, this is President Obama... I, uh, just wanted to let you guys know that a Navy SEAL team entered Paki air space, landed in Abbottabad, detonated a disabled helicopter, but still conducted a successful mission"

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Oh yeah, the mission?  We killed OBL in your backyard.  Got a problem with that?



didn't think so.

tee-hee..

[FooFa]

Only FOX could display this level of dumb. But I'm sure it's just a joke...

It looks like an honest error to me. I think they were intending to blurb
Report:Obama:bin Laden dead or something like that. Since that's not from the national Fox...local stations often have half wits doing things like mistyping that entry.

[FooFa]

FOUR minutes later...

*sigh*


I give up.

Oh. That was the worst photoshop I've ever seen. I've seen better jib jabs

You quoted newsmax but mine is wrong? I didn't say anything about agreeing with the story. I was simply offering it as part of the circus that this is.

[lil mike]

Since the only topic you guys seem to be interested in is not "UBL is dead , yah!" but Obama needs more credit, I'll give him some.

He had a choice between bombing the shit out of the compound... simple, or OK'ing a very risky operation to get him personally and make sure that he was dead, and he chose the riskier operation.  Based on his MO, that would have been the unlikelier bet.  But he did it, and it was by far the better decision.  We'll have documentation of his death and apparently had a great intelligence boon from all of the computer harddrives and who knows how much regular paperwork they nabbed.

So, great decision, great operation, and a great day for our country.

Interesting though that trying to figure out what Republican's are thinking is the very first thing you go for on this.  Like this is merely a political moment to be taken advantage of and nothing more.  There is a lot more to this than your petty scrounging for Obama praise.

UBL has been an itch in the back of my head since 9/11.  It was constant unfinished business, and the way that it was finally finished, was just so satisfying to me... to me this is a big moment in and of itself.

[Howey]

Since the only topic you guys seem to be interested in is not "UBL is dead , yah!" but Obama needs more credit, I'll give him some.

Perhaps we knew your guys would be crawling out of the woodwork praising Dubya for his tight work.

Indeed.  It was an amazing job of putting the pieces together stretching across  years.  Starting with getting the courier's nickname through our interrogation of prisoners in 2004, to connecting that nickname to a real name in 2007, to finding the guy and tracking him down to that compound.  From there, discovering Bin Ladin's courier lives in a compound with no phone or internet?

And he was taken out just like I had hoped he would; shot in the head by SEALS.  Far better than merely dying of complications from diabetes or renal failure.  And he even revealed himself a coward at the end, using one of his own wives as a human shield.  It was all goddamn perfect!

It's really been a great day!

That would be an amazing feat, even for Dubya. Especially since the compound wasn't even built until 2005.

As far as you mimicking Cheney on the torture stuff, not really...

Let's revisit history, again, by going to the best source, Marcy Wheeler at emptywheel. The waterboarding of KSM, all 183 instances, occurred in March, 2003. The torture of al Libi happened in early 2002, after his November, 2001 capture.
 
As Marcy explained in an e-mail:
 
Assuming they got the courier's name in 2005 or 2006, per reports, it happened 2 years or more after KSM's waterboarding.
 Which would say KSM withheld this information under waterboarding.
 
And given how much time it took to actually get from the courier to the compound (presumably about 4 years), both KSM and al-Libi didn't give all that much on the courier(s).
 
KSML was waterboarded 183 times, presumably without revealing the name of the courier. And, since it took 183 tries, the efficacy of the whole enterprise can only be questioned. [Update: The following applies to Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, not to Abu Faraj al-Libi, who is sourced in the AP story. The lesson about the effectiveness of torture remains unchanged, but the timeline for Abu Faraj al-Libi is slightly different. See emptywheel for more on that.] But what the torture of al Libi "revealed" is even more damning for the pro-torturers's case.

Someday, somehow, somewhere, you guys will give up the Bush/Cheney praise and realize what a complete fraud they were.