The Man Who Gives Corrupt a Whole New Meaning

[ekg]

I'm home now and checking into this...

After the initial shock of finding ekg using Fox Nation as a source who used the Washington Times as a source who used Alex Jones as a source it's evident this scandal is the latest manufactured whoop-de-doo of conspiracy theorists everywhere.

The picture? I guarantee that's not of a mom and pop Amish farm. Fake.

The story? Been going around since 09 when the FDA first sent this so-called Amish farmer a letter asking him to cease sending unpateuirzed milk across state lines:

http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/ucm209276.htm

This whole thing reeks of conspiracy theory bullshit, Kelly. And you fell for it.

I wasn't just me, I saw it on a few reputable news sources last week.. even had interviews with ppl coming from the city to the farms to buy the milk and with the FDA person complaining about the farm..

you asked "Are you saying we shouldn't be regulating unsafe foods?"

I"m saying if I want to go to a farm and buy the milk from their cows, I should be allowed to.. just like I should be able to buy their tomatoes,peanuts or strawberries....

[ekg]

Undercover sting operation? Do you mean where the FDA employee ordered raw milk to be shipped across state lines? Boy...I'll bet that took a lot of man hours and jumpboot-clad stormtroopers to carry out!

no, this one

A yearlong sting operation, including aliases, a 5 a.m. surprise inspection and surreptitious purchases from an Amish farm in Pennsylvania, culminated in the federal government announcing this week that it has gone to court to stop Rainbow Acres Farm from selling its contraband to willing customers in the Washington area.

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/government-regulation/2011/04/29/milk-police-feds-sting-amish-farmer-selling-raw-unpasteurized-milk#ixzz1LieJEifr

[Howey]

you asked "Are you saying we shouldn't be regulating unsafe foods?"

I"m saying if I want to go to a farm and buy the milk from their cows, I should be allowed to.. just like I should be able to buy their tomatoes,peanuts or strawberries....

Since I know you're probably reading my later posts, I'll be gentle.

Feel free to go to his farm and buy whatever you want.

Just don't ask him to SHIP IT ACROSS STATE LINES!

no, this one

Keep reading...although you should have been suspicious from the beginning.

"contraband"? Really?

[ekg]

What am I dismissing? The facts? The facts are that the farmer broke the law by shipping unpasteurized milk across state lines. The facts are that the farmer ignored repeated cease and desist orders from the FDA. The facts are that the FDA had to take the farmer to civil court, not criminal court, to enforce the law.

The law:

I'm well aware of those FACTS. They are substantiated by court records. What is not substantiated by anything are the claims by Alex Jones, Fox Nation, and others that the FDA did anything wrong other than piss off a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists by doing their fucking job.

If you, ekg, or lilMike are unhappy with the government's regulation of unsafe food, feel free to contact your congressman and let them know.

Until then, the FDA did nothing wrong.

Case closed.

WINNING!

hehe,  you just backed-up our police state claim..

because, this.. your post.. is the point we're making here.. this police state, where farmers can't sell their product and I can't knowingly buy milk from a farmer all because the gov't doesn't like it..

I'll bet if the Amish took subsidies they could get an OK to sell their stuff..

[ekg]

Since I know you're probably reading my later posts, I'll be gentle.

Feel free to go to his farm and buy whatever you want.

Just don't ask him to SHIP IT ACROSS STATE LINES!
Keep reading...although you should have been suspicious from the beginning.

"contraband"? Really?

I caught up.. and you made the point by listing all the illegalities and the reasons why the gov't went after them..  but what you missed is that that is the problem we're talking about..  there shouldn't be these kinds of laws, I should be able to, here in FL, by this naturally grown product.. it's milk, it's not weed.. but the whacko-nut crazy gov't laws don't allow me to buy milk from a cow..

how odd is that?

[Howey]

hehe,  you just backed-up our police state claim..

because, this.. your post.. is the point we're making here.. this police state, where farmers can't sell their product and I can't knowingly buy milk from a farmer all because the gov't doesn't like it..

I'll bet if the Amish took subsidies they could get an OK to sell their stuff..

The issue is not that the product is safe or unsafe, although the risks of non-pasteurized milk and the organisms (not orgasms!) it might contain are certainly suspect. I mean...why did we ever come up with pasteurizing milk to begin with if it's ok?

The issue is that the non-pasteurized milk was shipped across state lines, in violation of federal law. Whether you agree or disagree with the law is a different story, there, lilekg.  

I caught up.. and you made the point by listing all the illegalities and the reasons why the gov't went after them..  but what you missed is that that is the problem we're talking about..  there shouldn't be these kinds of laws, I should be able to, here in FL, by this naturally grown product.. it's milk, it's not weed.. but the whacko-nut crazy gov't laws don't allow me to buy milk from a cow..

how odd is that?

Ok. Then as I said, call, write, protest to your Congressman/woman to do away with the FDA.

While we're at it, let's do away with the EPA too. Don't worry about those pesky smoggy skies or poisoned rivers! Let's do away with the Dept. of Education too! We'll all teach our snot-nosed kids at home in the godly ways of the world! How 'bout the FAA? Fuck them! Who needs training to fly an airplane?

Let's just do away with gubmint all together!

[Howey]

no, this one

How can it be a "surprise inspection" when I just posted the order ordering it? Don't these Amish know how to read?

The order also states "normal hours of operaton". Hint: Dairy farms work days start at about 3am.

A 5am inspection isn't all that bad...

[ekg]

The issue is not that the product is safe or unsafe, although the risks of non-pasteurized milk and the organisms (not orgasms!) it might contain are certainly suspect. I mean...why did we ever come up with pasteurizing milk to begin with if it's ok?

The issue is that the non-pasteurized milk was shipped across state lines, in violation of federal law. Whether you agree or disagree with the law is a different story, there, lilekg.  

Ok. Then as I said, call, write, protest to your Congressman/woman to do away with the FDA.

While we're at it, let's do away with the EPA too. Don't worry about those pesky smoggy skies or poisoned rivers! Let's do away with the Dept. of Education too! We'll all teach our snot-nosed kids at home in the godly ways of the world! How 'bout the FAA? Fuck them! Who needs training to fly an airplane?

Let's just do away with gubmint all together!

why? because I want to buy milk from a farmer?

isn't that a little extreme?

wouldn't it be safer if you just let me buy my milk from a cow if I felt like it instead of buying it from a company?

btw, france doesn't pasteurize.. and they're still here.. stinky but here... and their milk/cheese are awesome.

not too mention, the corps here put hormones in the milk, that makes girls boobs grow bigger and neither us want that

sometimes laws are stupid.. Scott's 'private prisons' law.. stupid.. it's an overreach.. and those overreaches are usually allowed to happen because we've already let them make buying milk from a cow illegal, so why not let them make private prisons legal..

[Howey]

Oy!

Buying the milk isn't illegal.

Selling it across state lines is.

You just can't admit you're wrong.

[lil mike]

What am I dismissing? The facts? The facts are that the farmer broke the law by shipping unpasteurized milk across state lines. The facts are that the farmer ignored repeated cease and desist orders from the FDA. The facts are that the FDA had to take the farmer to civil court, not criminal court, to enforce the law.

The law:

I'm well aware of those FACTS. They are substantiated by court records. What is not substantiated by anything are the claims by Alex Jones, Fox Nation, and others that the FDA did anything wrong other than piss off a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists by doing their fucking job.

If you, ekg, or lilMike are unhappy with the government's regulation of unsafe food, feel free to contact your congressman and let them know.

Until then, the FDA did nothing wrong.

Case closed.

WINNING!

Winning huh?  I've seen on the muche where that leads...

No I'm not arguing... well anything.  Based on the limited information here, I would agree that the FDA did nothing wrong, and if federal law prohibits the interstate commerce of unpastuerized milk, well then it's against the law.

It just seems like a silly and minor thing.  My gut feeling is that there are a lot of things that consenting, informed adults should be allowed to do that nanny statists and busybodies enjoy making illegal.  I'm guessing the FDA may have bigger enforcement issues than Amish farmers but heh, I guess once you cross the line into thinking people need to be protected from themselves there's no end to it.

[FooFa]

Part of my point about the fda was based on recent stories aside from this one. A couple had been practicing and promoting natural supplements and holistic care for like 20 years. Armed men from the gov came in and took all their files and products. Their operation was completely legal.
http://www.naturalnews.com/032203_Maxam_Nutraceutics_FDA_raid.html
Of course you can attack the source and ignore the facts as usual.

[Howey]

Part of my point about the fda was based on recent stories aside from this one. A couple had been practicing and promoting natural supplements and holistic care for like 20 years. Armed men from the gov came in and took all their files and products. Their operation was completely legal.
http://www.naturalnews.com/032203_Maxam_Nutraceutics_FDA_raid.html
Of course you can attack the source and ignore the facts as usual.

Feel free to take that to your thread. Not here.

Winning huh?  I've seen on the muche where that leads...

No I'm not arguing... well anything.  Based on the limited information here, I would agree that the FDA did nothing wrong, and if federal law prohibits the interstate commerce of unpastuerized milk, well then it's against the law.

Of course it's illegal and the FDA did nothing wrong! That's what I've been saying, in my glorious rightness, all along!

It just seems like a silly and minor thing.

Bingo...it is a silly and minor thing. But the crazies had to have something to bang a drum over. The story lost any hope of credibility the moment FOX inserted a years-old picture of Germans breaking down the door to an office building and depicted it as something else.

[ekg]

Of course you can attack the source and ignore the facts as usual.

that's because sometimes the 'source' can't be relied for those 'facts'.. 

if the source of the 'fact' is in question, how can their facts be unquestionable?

[FooFa]

Feel free to take that to your thread. Not here.

Of course it's illegal and the FDA did nothing wrong! That's what I've been saying, in my glorious rightness, all along!

Bingo...it is a silly and minor thing. But the crazies had to have something to bang a drum over. The story lost any hope of credibility the moment FOX inserted a years-old picture of Germans breaking down the door to an office building and depicted it as something else.

So to recap any story that doesn't fit with your opinions or perceptions or logic is conspiracy, got it. As a person with a free mind and sound logical making ability I don't bring up arbitrary points that have nothing to do with news such as you do here with an unsubstantiated claim about Fox which again has nothing to do with the substance of the fda now performing regular harassment of citizens who are law abiding and of no threat to anyone.

[Howey]

So to recap any story that doesn't fit with your opinions or perceptions or logic is conspiracy, got it. As a person with a free mind and sound logical making ability I don't bring up arbitrary points that have nothing to do with news such as you do here with an unsubstantiated claim about Fox which again has nothing to do with the substance of the fda now performing regular harassment of citizens who are law abiding and of no threat to anyone.

TTFN!