Jon Stewart on Ron Paul

[44nutman]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-15-2011/indecision-2012---corn-polled-edition---ron-paul---the-top-tier

I have been saying this for a while. Paul has been getting shafted by the left and right media. Sean Propagannity hates him, Fox news belittles him. I sort of feel bad for the guy by the way the media covers him.
I need the media to just report the news and not tell me who to vote for in the election.

[Howey]

ideologically consistent

ekg and I were noting this elsewhere. Since when has Paul embraced the holy rollers? The Truthers? All those other Anti-Obama kooks floating crazy ideas out there? He is now...

Sure...he's the Original Teabagger, but since when is that a good thing, Nutty?

The guy's 77 years old. America didn't want a 72 year old Maverick, why would they want a 78 year old maverick?

I, personally, am sticking behind Obama right now. But that doesn't mean I can't be convinced. Paul has some good ideas in getting out of the wars and legalizing marijuana and...

That's it. I'm not for getting rid of government, it's more than obvious right now that most Americans just aren't smart enough to think for themselves. Look at the Tea Party Caucus.

America will always see him as some kind of fringe kook. FOX will always see him as some kind of fringe kook, even when the real fringe kooks are parading through their programs on a daily basis.

Quite honestly, Paul made this bed and now he's got to lie in it. He's become the right wing's Ralph Nader.

[44nutman]

ekg and I were noting this elsewhere. Since when has Paul embraced the holy rollers? The Truthers? All those other Anti-Obama kooks floating crazy ideas out there? He is now...

Sure...he's the Original Teabagger, but since when is that a good thing, Nutty?

The guy's 77 years old. America didn't want a 72 year old Maverick, why would they want a 78 year old maverick?

I, personally, am sticking behind Obama right now. But that doesn't mean I can't be convinced. Paul has some good ideas in getting out of the wars and legalizing marijuana and...

That's it. I'm not for getting rid of government, it's more than obvious right now that most Americans just aren't smart enough to think for themselves. Look at the Tea Party Caucus.

America will always see him as some kind of fringe kook. FOX will always see him as some kind of fringe kook, even when the real fringe kooks are parading through their programs on a daily basis.

Quite honestly, Paul made this bed and now he's got to lie in it. He's become the right wing's Ralph Nader.

I think some of Paul's message needs to be heard. His ideas on our current foreign policy is spot on. He also is one of the few who has the balls to say our military budget is beyond bloated. I don't think I voted for anyone I agreed with 100%.

The point I am trying to make is Fox should love this guy since he is the Original Gansta(OG) of the Tea party. Sean Propaghannity absolutely hates the guy. Fox brushed off any poll he wins, I just find it interesting that they never give him any credit. The last debate he gave Santorum a santorum.

Speaking of changing their stripes. Bachman is trying to distance herself from her stance on gays.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/bachmann-says-she-isn-t-running-judge-gays-141829996.html

[Howey]

I think some of Paul's message needs to be heard. His ideas on our current foreign policy is spot on. He also is one of the few who has the balls to say our military budget is beyond bloated. I don't think I voted for anyone I agreed with 100%.

The point I am trying to make is Fox should love this guy since he is the Original Gansta(OG) of the Tea party. Sean Propaghannity absolutely hates the guy. Fox brushed off any poll he wins, I just find it interesting that they never give him any credit. The last debate he gave Santorum a santorum.

lol...right now they're talking about Jon and Paul on MSNBC...

I just got through reading Paul's platform:

http://www.ronpaul.com/

and I'm standing by what I said, with one exception. I don't even like his position on legalizing marijuana. Because he doesn't. He feels the government shouldn't regulate it, the states should. So all I agree with him about is ending the wars. These two wars, not all wars. I don't believe in Isolationism.

Here's the thing....my main problem with the Federalists.

They, especially Paul, want each state to individually regulate everything. (Unless it's the mo's, they want the government to get rid of us)

But, if that's the case, then why is this country called the United States of America??

It does not compute.

If we're united, we need uniform laws amongst all 50 states. Period.

[Howey]

Speaking of changing their stripes. Bachman is trying to distance herself from her stance on gays.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/bachmann-says-she-isn-t-running-judge-gays-141829996.html

The crazy bitch has done nothing but judge gays. She's a fruit, and so's her husband. I listened to him the other day and my gaydar went off so loud the dogs started barking.

[44nutman]

Here is one of a million examples of Fox news dirty tricks, they usually only use them on Democrats.



Then Fox saying they are sorry for an "honest" mistake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ1alAbMrMM&feature=related

Like I said earlier, I find it fascinating the way Fox news treats Paul. They act like he has a fake birth certificate and gives out terrorist fist bumps.

[uselesslegs]

I always felt Fox news and the Rest of the field that would seemingly be "for" RP, not so subtlety diss him because he actually means what he says.  He believes it with his heart and soul, he and his ideology are one in the same...and that can't be manipulated by lobbyists, special interests, the war machine or the rich.

They want a candidate they know is actually bendable, malleable, and most of all ultimately compliant to the people behind the curtain.

I think in another post, somewhere, I recalled him getting treated on FOX like a crayon eater back during the 2006-2007 RP "original" Tea Party movement.  Not that I was, or am now, a fan of the total messaging...but the treatment and slights were obvious, even back then.

He's to old now.  I don't want another Ronny in there.  The Job is to demanding and isn't forgiving for any reasons.

I've always viewed Libertarianism and Utopia pretty much being close in dynamic.  Both require the absolute, unfettered reality of a perfect world where laws and regulations aren't needed...because the citizens always conduct themselves in the best possible manner...devoid of greed, envy, or hurtful intent.

Shangri-la can't exist, because "human beings" won't allow it.

Paul saddened me recently with his jump on the Abortion train.  Even he isn't immune.

[Howey]

I've always viewed Libertarianism and Utopia pretty much being close in dynamic.  Both require the absolute, unfettered reality of a perfect world where laws and regulations aren't needed...because the citizens always conduct themselves in the best possible manner...devoid of greed, envy, or hurtful intent.

yup

[ekg]

Like I said earlier, I find it fascinating the way Fox news treats Paul. They act like he has a fake birth certificate and gives out terrorist fist bumps.

nah, if that was the case they'd talk about him all the time 

but you're right.. he used to be fringe, but now he's more 'real' mainstream than any of the posers acting like him. I enjoy the guy I really do.. but when he went all 'anti-abortion' the other day and he reasoning for it, I lost a lot of 'love' for the guy.. I  thought him of all people would stand by his convictions.. but he didn't, he bought into the bullshit...

Howie's right also... he's too old, he'll never get elected. But he does have some damned good ideas.. I've said it before, there is alot more in common between the true libertarian and the liberal than there is with the libertarian and the GOP.. I think I could get behind a lot what Paul wants to do, but I don't think I could ever vote for him...

[Howey]

More on Paul, from HuffPo:

Ron Paul, once seen as a fringe candidate and a nuisance to the establishment, is shaping the 2012 Republican primary by giving voice to the party's libertarian wing and reflecting frustration with the United States' international entanglements.

The Texas congressman placed second in a key early test vote Saturday in Ames, coming within 152 votes of winning the first significant balloting of the Republican nominating contest. Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota won the nonbinding Iowa straw poll, but Paul's organizational strength and a retooled focus on social issues set him up to be a serious player in the campaign.

"I believe in a very limited role for government. But the prime reason that government exists in a free society is to protect liberty, but also to protect life. And I mean all life," he told a raucous crowd on Saturday.

"You cannot have relative value for life and deal with that. We cannot play God and make those decisions. All life is precious," he said, opening his remarks with an anti-abortion appeal to the social conservatives who have great sway here in Iowa's leadoff caucuses.

Later Saturday, Paul won 4,671 votes, or roughly 28 percent of the votes from party activists who flocked to a college campus for the daylong political carnival

Paul's narrow second-place finish pushed former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty down to third, leading Pawlenty on Sunday to abandon his effort to challenge President Barack Obama next November.

Four years ago, Paul sought the GOP nomination while talking about economic policy, liberty and the Federal Reserve. Since then, the tea party has risen and seized on those issues, and some regard Paul as one of the movement's godfathers.

"The country's bankrupt, and nobody wanted to admit it. And when you're bankrupt, you can't keep spending," Paul said Thursday during a Fox News Channel debate.

He may lack the broad appeal that former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney or Texas Gov. Rick Perry are claiming, but Paul's finish Saturday indicated he could compete.