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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2011, 06:58:22 pm » |
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He's a shitty teacher because a: He brings his personal beliefs into the classroom, and b: He excludes one group of people from the benefits of his knowledge.
You already answered your own question, lilEE:
and then you jumped right into the "why":
That's not a problem of the gays. That's a problem of the bigots. Those who...
WTF... you failed to answer question #1 who can go anywhere and leave theer personal beliefs behind...not a single living soul on this planet is capable of that...jesus fucking christ... those are some mighty high fucking expectations for a simple tax payer funded employee...who's hanging on to the bottom rung... and how the fuck do you figure that he(douche bag teacher) excludes an individual or groups of peoples ?...he gave them fair warning of his position and was cordial enough to extend them the opportunity to change teachers/classes if they had any concerns... very commendable if you ask me...polite...and jesus like i would suspect...I don't know that he harrassed or bullied any students that elected to change teacher/class...did he suggest retribution for requesting to be changed to another class ?...if not... then it is the child who is choosing to remove themselves from that learning experience he offers !....its not him refusing to teach to a group or person...so you fucking fail... |
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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2011, 07:32:20 pm » |
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that learning experience he offers The "learning experience he offers" is the word of God. That is not allowed in our public schools. |
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« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2011, 08:37:32 pm » |
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The "learning experience he offers" is the word of God. That is not allowed in our public schools.
i don't believe that was stated by him anywhere... but certainly because of his beliefs it will have some bearing on his position of which direction the process of education should move but that goes without saying for everyone...muslim...jewish... it's not selective and reserved for christians only...did i forget the atheist... we all promote what we individually think and believe...looking for like minded people with which to share or knowledge and experiences... and to think it is any different is insane... there are many things that bibles can teach...it up to the individual themself to define what they take away from scripture...whether its the hate....the love.... Do you dislike him because of his position on gays and thats all ? |
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« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2011, 09:09:56 pm » |
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You already answered your own question, lilEE:
and then you jumped right into the "why":
That's not a problem of the gays. That's a problem of the bigots. Those who...
but it is your (a gay) problem...you're the one in the minority...its not as big a problem for the bigots as it is for you ! equality on that level won't happen...the majority won't allow it and will fight with everything they have to see that it doesn't... the social security system will collapse before the federal government condones same sex marriage...which...given enough time should happen making marriage a worthless aggreement thereby allowing for same sex marriages...with very little benefit |
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« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2011, 09:21:34 pm » |
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i don't believe that was stated by him anywhere... Not explicitly stated, perhaps, but strongly implied. If you are going to teach in public schools you have to go by their rules. But Christianity is a way of life, so hopefully people, including students, will see that you are different, that you have something they want and need, by the way you live and teach, by who you are. but certainly because of his beliefs it will have some bearing on his position of which direction the process of education should move but that goes without saying for everyone...muslim...jewish...
it's not selective and reserved for christians only...did i forget the atheist...
we all promote what we individually think and believe...looking for like minded people with which to share or knowledge and experiences...
and to think it is any different is insane...
there are many things that bibles can teach...it up to the individual themself to define what
they take away from scripture...whether its the hate....the love....
Do you dislike him because of his position on gays and thats all ?
Everything you say above is true. If you sincerely believe something it will affect everything you do. But you still have to live within the rules of society, change the rules of the society you live in, or leave that society. Jesus and the 12 Apostles changed the rules. The Pilgrims left the society. George Washington and the continental army changed the rules. Martin Luther King changed the rules. Those are your choices. If Jerry Bueller taught Christianity in his classroom, he broke the rules. Agree or disagree with them, they are the rules we have, and those are the options we have in dealing with them. He has the right to hate gay marriage, and to spout off about it. What he doesn't have is the right to do is express that in the classroom or to treat students differently because he believes they are sinners. If Jesus refused to judge the adulteress, what right to we have to judge anyone? |
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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2011, 02:15:42 am » |
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Ok, my previous response should have been above this message: but it is your (a gay) problem...you're the one in the minority...its not as big a problem for the bigots as it is for you !
equality on that level won't happen...the majority won't allow it and will fight with everything they have to see that it doesn't...
the social security system will collapse before the federal government condones same sex marriage...which...given enough time
should happen making marriage a worthless aggreement thereby allowing for same sex marriages...with very little benefit
True equality between majority and minority will never happen as long as human nature doesn't change. All we can do is strive to overcome our prejudices, our fear of those different than we are, our desire to be among a group of people like ourselves. We can make things as equal as possible, learn to see our similarities more than our differences. Maybe, someday, probably if we encounter extraterrestrial intelligence, we will learn that the different races of humankind on earth have far more in common with each other than we have differences. And I don't know how long you've been watching how our government works, but with New York legalizing gay marriage it is only a matter of time until it becomes legalized nationally. |
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« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2011, 04:24:58 am » |
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Not explicitly stated, perhaps, but strongly implied. If you are going to teach in public schools you have to go by their rules. But Christianity is a way of life, so hopefully people, including students, will see that you are different, that you have something they want and need, by the way you live and teach, by who you are.
Everything you say above is true. If you sincerely believe something it will affect everything you do. But you still have to live within the rules of society, change the rules of the society you live in, or leave that society. Jesus and the 12 Apostles changed the rules. The Pilgrims left the society. George Washington and the continental army changed the rules. Martin Luther King changed the rules. Those are your choices.
If Jerry Bueller taught Christianity in his classroom, he broke the rules. Agree or disagree with them, they are the rules we have, and those are the options we have in dealing with them.
He has the right to hate gay marriage, and to spout off about it. What he doesn't have is the right to do is express that in the classroom or to treat students differently because he believes they are sinners. If Jesus refused to judge the adulteress, what right to we have to judge anyone?
strongly implied....that is easily up for debate...and soley based on your interpretation...unless you speak for others... to me he said....this is where base is located for his moral and ethical compass if a sitituation were to arise that he would need to make a decision !!! to wit some people would find comfort in knowing his value system... it probably wouldn't be good to go around agreeing with to often...just sayin...but thanks other than what was highlighted....i too agree with everything you said...or typed... and finally... the first admendment doesn't restrict his right to free speech in the class room...it does restrict his right to alienate anyone over another... or slander any said official religion...it also restricts him from building a curriculum around religious systems...but doesn't restricting him from having open conversation about religion or...religious impact on society...i could go on...if you'd like... but i do understand what i think you meant... |
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« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2011, 04:38:06 am » |
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Ok, my previous response should have been above this message:
True equality between majority and minority will never happen as long as human nature doesn't change. All we can do is strive to overcome our prejudices, our fear of those different than we are, our desire to be among a group of people like ourselves. We can make things as equal as possible, learn to see our similarities more than our differences. Maybe, someday, probably if we encounter extraterrestrial intelligence, we will learn that the different races of humankind on earth have far more in common with each other than we have differences.
And I don't know how long you've been watching how our government works, but with New York legalizing gay marriage it is only a matter of time until it becomes legalized nationally.
correct....human nature doesn't change....not near as fast as we'd like it too...it takes a long time and selective breeding we can create the illusion that everything looks as equal as possible !...best case scenerio...truly encounter what...extra fries...the answer isn't with extra anything...the answers we are looking for, are within us already... we just need to figure out how to access that information...our gene's/dna/chromosomes hold all the information we'll ever need... don't look to space....thats the wrong direction if you want to find the answers !!! |
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« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2011, 08:59:16 am » |
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1. He's not a "shitty teacher". He teaches History, and he does it well.
2. His Facebook post is irrelevant to me. He has the right as a citizen to have his own personal opinions.
3. When he brings his personal religion into the classroom (out of context of the class) and forces children (through his syllabus) to choose him as a teacher or not, he has crossed the legal line.
In the classroom, he is no longer Jerry Buell the person. He is a government representative and by that has no right to have any opinion on any religion whatsoever.... or no religion.
People keep forgetting that Government cannot hold a personal position. It's illegal. In his capacity as a public school teacher, he is "government".
That's simple. Nuff said.
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« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2011, 04:40:59 pm » |
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« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2011, 04:54:55 pm » |
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I already posted that, Mike, but thanks for stressing it. To be clear here...the issue has never been Buell's First Amendment rights, although as a teacher employed by a public school system his rights of expression are limited. It has never been about his Facebook posting, although a man who purports to be intelligent such as him (translated: he knew what he was posting would be seen by the world) would know his Facebook privacy settings. The issue, plain and simple, is that he violated the trust and confidence of his students, gay and straight, by putting up a barrier to them receiving an education. He's not a college professor. Students can't drop out of his course because they don't agree with his personal opinions. Ironically, as a Social Studies teacher, his is a case of a social intercourse gone horribly wrong and a prime example of how bigotry is a behest upon our society. Just read Gryffn's posts and you'll understand. And yes, because of this he's a shitty teacher. |
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« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2011, 04:56:13 pm » |
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1. He's not a "shitty teacher". He teaches History, and he does it well.
2. His Facebook post is irrelevant to me. He has the right as a citizen to have his own personal opinions.
3. When he brings his personal religion into the classroom (out of context of the class) and forces children (through his syllabus) to choose him as a teacher or not, he has crossed the legal line.
In the classroom, he is no longer Jerry Buell the person. He is a government representative and by that has no right to have any opinion on any religion whatsoever.... or no religion.
People keep forgetting that Government cannot hold a personal position. It's illegal. In his capacity as a public school teacher, he is "government".
That's simple. Nuff said.
FIRE HIM
number three is incorrect...may be the way you think it works but it isn't... no one is or was forced...they were given an option ! jerry is always a person....wtf...and as any right other citizens have.... and its not that people forget... its that they don't understand the admendment number one in the first place....like you have established the government can't promote,adopt or give preferential treatment to one religion over another... |
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« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2011, 05:07:26 pm » |
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I already posted that, Mike, but thanks for stressing it.
To be clear here...the issue has never been Buell's First Amendment rights, although as a teacher employed by a public school system his rights of expression are limited. It has never been about his Facebook posting, although a man who purports to be intelligent such as him (translated: he knew what he was posting would be seen by the world) would know his Facebook privacy settings.
The issue, plain and simple, is that he violated the trust and confidence of his students, gay and straight, by putting up a barrier to them receiving an education. He's not a college professor. Students can't drop out of his course because they don't agree with his personal opinions. Ironically, as a Social Studies teacher, his is a case of a social intercourse gone horribly wrong and a prime example of how bigotry is a behest upon our society. Just read Gryffn's posts and you'll understand.
And yes, because of this he's a shitty teacher.
a barrier...wow... he empowered them...empowered them to affect their education...in a postive way he provided an option to these students that would allow them to remove themselves from his teaching... and for that...being honest...you know have a reason to hate |
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« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2011, 05:27:40 pm » |
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a barrier...wow...
he empowered them...empowered them to affect their education...in a postive way
he provided an option to these students that would allow them to remove themselves from his teaching...
He empowered them by saying this? If you believe you may have a problem with that, get your schedule changed, 'cause I ain't changing!" Tell me...what about the gay kid worrying about bullying...how would he fare in Buell's class? How long would it take for Buell's hatred to force the kid to take his own life? |
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« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2011, 05:59:38 pm » |
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He empowered them by saying this?
Tell me...what about the gay kid worrying about bullying...how would he fare in Buell's class? How long would it take for Buell's hatred to force the kid to take his own life?
uh...isn't that gay kid worrying about that in all of the classes he attends ?...and on the way home after school... you act like its only an issue in that class as if it isn't something the kid faces everywhere all the time !... and i don't know that buell said he hates...i don't think the bible promotes hate does it ?...i don't think jesus alledgedly taught hate... the old testiment probably does have some mean hateful shit in it...but jesus came and changed that for us gentiles... so that we....the gentiles wouldn't wipe the jewish nation and religion off the map permantly... |
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