Ta-Dahhhhhhhhhh

[ekg]

Chuck and I called it months ago..

damn we're good..

Fox guest: For economy to recover, get rid of minimum wage

    Posted on 09.4.11
    By Andrew Jones
    Categories: Featured, Nation

In the mind of business analyst Gary B. Smith, the only way the American economy will recover is “to ditch the minimum wage.”

Appearing on Fox News’ Bulls and Bears Saturday afternoon, Smith was not holding back in his disgust on a key component of employee law. “Minimum wage is nothing more than a form of price of control,” he said. “So it’s not just wrong to say middle wage is good. It’s irresponsible, particularly in this economy.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/fox-guest-for-economy-to-recover-get-rid-of-minimum-wage/

since Bachman,Cain,Romney and Perry have all come out to say they want NO cap gains taxes... and Bachman today said she want a ZERO corp tax rate.. I expect one of these bafoons to pick this up and then all of them to run with it.... and then, we're fucked.

[betteroffhere]

Chuck and I called it months ago..

damn we're good..
since Bachman,Cain,Romney and Perry have all come out to say they want NO cap gains taxes... and Bachman today said she want a ZERO corp tax rate.. I expect one of these bafoons to pick this up and then all of them to run with it.... and then, we're fucked.

we're ?

who does that we're include ?

i need to know so i can figure out where i fall on the implied wishful thinking of doing away with minimum wage...

that you anticipate or expect...as a producer or the consumer...

i'm afraid i may not see it the same way as you describe...

we're...the min wage employee....is that you ?

[Howey]

Chuck and I called it months ago..

damn we're good..
since Bachman,Cain,Romney and Perry have all come out to say they want NO cap gains taxes... and Bachman today said she want a ZERO corp tax rate.. I expect one of these bafoons to pick this up and then all of them to run with it.... and then, we're fucked.

Of course! That'll make it easier for the corporations to rake in profits! They are ppl too, after all!

[ekg]

we're ?

who does that we're include ?

i need to know so i can figure out where i fall on the implied wishful thinking of doing away with minimum wage...

that you anticipate or expect...as a producer or the consumer...

i'm afraid i may not see it the same way as you describe...

we're...the min wage employee....is that you ?

dude, I'm a 'small business owner' so this helps me..I'd love to get away with paying my white workers what big farm pays their brown ones(not really)....  but if you think that your hourly rate, whether it's slightly above minimum wage or $45 an hr wouldn't be affected by a ban on the legal minimum wage mandate... then might I suggest you vote for one of the above listed candidates and stfu when you become 'serf 187' instead of BoH..

the best part is, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on in this issue.. people are against those who get paid or paid benefits.. so when you're all a twitter because the job you've been at for 20 years and built up a nice salary/hr-rate over those years gets slashed along with the MW, then you can comfort yourself with the comment sections of news the stories reporting such atrocities... like these comments about the post office being forced to pay benefits for 75 years in the future and being unable to make their payment this year..

swjslj
Yes! Why are government workers so privileged? And what about teachers? We've been brainwashed for decades about how overworked and underpaid they are, but is that really the truth? I have a college degree and I make significantly less (at 50 years old) than a 30 year-old teacher does in my area. And the benefits they receive are incredible! less

obarryscary
PROOF UNIONS ARE THE THE NUMBER 1 CAUSE FOR JOBS GOING OVERSEAS!!!  WE NEED A UNION BUSTER PRESIDENT!!!

ooooooooooooo yes, the evil of teachers and unions.. let's privatize kill them all..


but BoH, you go with your blind self, attacking the people who want to help you instead of screw you.

[betteroffhere]

dude, I'm a 'small business owner' so this helps me..I'd love to get away with paying my white workers what big farm pays their brown ones(not really)....  but if you think that your hourly rate, whether it's slightly above minimum wage or $45 an hr wouldn't be affected by a ban on the legal minimum wage mandate... then might I suggest you vote for one of the above listed candidates and stfu when you become 'serf 187' instead of BoH..

the best part is, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on in this issue.. people are against those who get paid or paid benefits.. so when you're all a twitter because the job you've been at for 20 years and built up a nice salary/hr-rate over those years gets slashed along with the MW, then you can comfort yourself with the comment sections of news the stories reporting such atrocities... like these comments about the post office being forced to pay benefits for 75 years in the future and being unable to make their payment this year..

ooooooooooooo yes, the evil of teachers and unions.. let's privatize kill them all..


but BoH, you go with your blind self, attacking the people who want to help you instead of screw you.

i don't think min wage will be repealed...

an economist suggeted that one way to adjust for the current position we are in...

its not going through congress as a bill...

i'm not gonna get all excited...cause someone suggested something...

but i do appreciate the view...it allows for an understanding...

it was on fox news...doh...

and it is just a move to bring us in line with the world labor model...

and the worlds standard of living...so we are not so much different than the rest of the world that

every fucking one wants to come here...

this is a way to slow down migration of third world citizens to the U.S.

if we're brought down to the worlds level...suddenly we're not the go to country...


one day...

quote author=ekg link=topic=11256.msg150851#msg150851 date=1176596369

"from 04/07 in thread about howie and his erotic sig..."

I knew I liked Boh.... I just didn't know we complained about the same exact thing at almost the same exact time.....

one day, we must meet...


Does it still apply ?

[Howey]

i don't think min wage will be repealed...

an economist suggeted that one way to adjust for the current position we are in...

its not going through congress as a bill...

i'm not gonna get all excited...cause someone suggested something...

but i do appreciate the view...it allows for an understanding...

it was on fox news...doh...

and it is just a move to bring us in line with the world labor model...

and the worlds standard of living...so we are not so much different than the rest of the world that

every fucking one wants to come here...

this is a way to slow down migration of third world citizens to the U.S.

if we're brought down to the worlds level...suddenly we're not the go to country...


one day...

quote author=ekg link=topic=11256.msg150851#msg150851 date=1176596369

"from 04/07 in thread about howie and his erotic sig..."

I knew I liked Boh.... I just didn't know we complained about the same exact thing at almost the same exact time.....

one day, we must meet...


Does it still apply ?

(pausing self-imposed exile)

a. Are you aware even Florida's trying to repeal the minimum wage? Nah...I didn't think so...

http://m.naplesnews.com/news/2011/apr/05/minimum-wage-change-clears-florida-house-panel/



TALLAHASSEE — A bill designed to thwart a lawsuit challenging the state's refusal to increase Florida's minimum wage cleared a House committee Tuesday.

The measure (HB 1425) narrowly won approval from the Finance and Tax Committee on a largely party line 13-11 vote. Three Republicans joined Democrats in voting against the legislation.

It would provide legal justification for a decision by the Agency for Workforce Innovation to keep Florida's minimum wage at the $7.25 an hour federal rate instead of increasing it to $7.31 on Jan. 1 to keep up with inflation.

In January, a lawsuit was filed in state Circuit Court in Tallahassee on behalf of minimum wage workers. It alleges the agency violated a state constitutional amendment that requires adjustments in the rate to match increases in the Consumer Price Index.

Democrats said the bill was part of a pattern by majority Republicans to favor businesses over workers no matter how low they are paid.

"Some in the business community have taken out a full-fledged war on the working class and the middle class in this state and they know who they are," said Rep. Scott Randolph, D-Orlando. "They call it minimum wage. They don't call it a living wage because it's not a living wage."

Randolph said the state is trying to deny about 200,000 minimum wage workers a raise that would only amount to $2.40 a week.

The bill's sponsor, Rep. John Tobia, R-Melbourne, denied the accusation that GOP lawmakers are waging war against the working class.

"We have to remember businesses are the ones that employ the bulk of these individuals," Tobia said. "The more burden you place on the businesses the less individuals they can employ."

He acknowledged, though, that if he could he'd repeal the minimum wage but it's required by the Florida Constitution.

The agency's refusal to raise the minimum wage this year was a delayed reaction to its reduction in the rate from $7.21 to $7.06 last year after the Consumer Price Index declined. That decision had no effect at that time because either way the Florida rate was superseded by the $7.25 federal minimum wage. When the index increased, the agency used the $7.06 rate as a base to calculate a corresponding rise in the state minimum wage to $7.16 — still below the federal rate.

The lawsuit contends the agency should have used $7.21 as the base because that's what it was before the index dropped, which would have resulted in a $7.31 rate.

Rep. Jim Waldman, R-Coconut Creek, cited a Florida Supreme Court opinion noting the constitution allows only for increases in the minimum wage.

"It does not say we should decrease it," Waldman said. "This bill says the opposite."

Tobia replied that he's not worried about constitutional issues. He said lawmakers are independently elected so they shouldn't base their decisions on what the courts say.

The bill has one more committee stop in the House before it can get a floor vote. A similar bill (SB 1610) has been filed in the Senate but has yet to get a committee hearing.

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b. It was a gif of two stormtroopers dry humping...sheesh!

[betteroffhere]

(pausing self-imposed exile)

a. Are you aware even Florida's trying to repeal the minimum wage? Nah...I didn't think so...

http://m.naplesnews.com/news/2011/apr/05/minimum-wage-change-clears-florida-house-panel/



TALLAHASSEE — A bill designed to thwart a lawsuit challenging the state's refusal to increase Florida's minimum wage cleared a House committee Tuesday.

The measure (HB 1425) narrowly won approval from the Finance and Tax Committee on a largely party line 13-11 vote. Three Republicans joined Democrats in voting against the legislation.

It would provide legal justification for a decision by the Agency for Workforce Innovation to keep Florida's minimum wage at the $7.25 an hour federal rate instead of increasing it to $7.31 on Jan. 1 to keep up with inflation.

In January, a lawsuit was filed in state Circuit Court in Tallahassee on behalf of minimum wage workers. It alleges the agency violated a state constitutional amendment that requires adjustments in the rate to match increases in the Consumer Price Index.

Democrats said the bill was part of a pattern by majority Republicans to favor businesses over workers no matter how low they are paid.

"Some in the business community have taken out a full-fledged war on the working class and the middle class in this state and they know who they are," said Rep. Scott Randolph, D-Orlando. "They call it minimum wage. They don't call it a living wage because it's not a living wage."

Randolph said the state is trying to deny about 200,000 minimum wage workers a raise that would only amount to $2.40 a week.

The bill's sponsor, Rep. John Tobia, R-Melbourne, denied the accusation that GOP lawmakers are waging war against the working class.

"We have to remember businesses are the ones that employ the bulk of these individuals," Tobia said. "The more burden you place on the businesses the less individuals they can employ."

He acknowledged, though, that if he could he'd repeal the minimum wage but it's required by the Florida Constitution.

The agency's refusal to raise the minimum wage this year was a delayed reaction to its reduction in the rate from $7.21 to $7.06 last year after the Consumer Price Index declined. That decision had no effect at that time because either way the Florida rate was superseded by the $7.25 federal minimum wage. When the index increased, the agency used the $7.06 rate as a base to calculate a corresponding rise in the state minimum wage to $7.16 — still below the federal rate.

The lawsuit contends the agency should have used $7.21 as the base because that's what it was before the index dropped, which would have resulted in a $7.31 rate.

Rep. Jim Waldman, R-Coconut Creek, cited a Florida Supreme Court opinion noting the constitution allows only for increases in the minimum wage.

"It does not say we should decrease it," Waldman said. "This bill says the opposite."

Tobia replied that he's not worried about constitutional issues. He said lawmakers are independently elected so they shouldn't base their decisions on what the courts say.

The bill has one more committee stop in the House before it can get a floor vote. A similar bill (SB 1610) has been filed in the Senate but has yet to get a committee hearing.

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b. It was a gif of two stormtroopers dry humping...sheesh!

ok...

the first highlighted area is your exaggeration of the issue...notice i didn't call it a lie...

2nd...highlighted text show how you exaggerated the truth...

3rd...easy math for the most part...the cost to businesses would amount to roughly....half a million a week....doh !!!

thats not small potatoes by any means...

over all grade for this thread... C-

[ekg]

i don't think min wage will be repealed...

an economist suggeted that one way to adjust for the current position we are in...

its not going through congress as a bill...

then you're not paying attention enough..

the facts are this could happen extremely easily in this 'I hate anyone with a job or a pension' environment. All it takes is a spark started in the right forum.. whether that be Fox news or elsewhere.. for shit's sake, we have candidates for POTUS saying they are against the dept of education and would do what they could to get rid of it.. and their base cheering for this!  how far of a leap do you need make to see that something this 'producer friendly/worker unfriendly' is ripe for this time?

i'm not gonna get all excited...cause someone suggested something...

but i do appreciate the view...it allows for an understanding...

it was on fox news...doh...

ok.. end of discussion..

thanks for playing..

Does it still apply ?

why wouldn't it?

[Howey]

I think I'll dust off the ol' stormtrooper gif.

[uselesslegs]

Minimum wage is the least amount possible that one can be paid and still "make it" in a particular economic environment as measured against cost of living...or at least it's suppose to be.  Several jobs, not a single job using the current minimum wage numbers, are required to make this a true statement in our current economic landscape...and that statement is only true in the most narrow sense.

Prices for goods and services are not, and never will, readjust back to levels that make Minimum wage viable against the cost of living.  We move forward, never backwards (unless it's assaulting women's rights or science).  

No attempts have been made, nor will be made anytime in the future, to address and remedy the "investment" brand of capitalism that "produces" very little (if any) jobs...and keeps cash out of the general economy and instead keeps it in a closed loop, that builds upon itself to benefit only those within that loop who do not use it as a betterment (jobs) and they also pay very little in capital gains...but the accumulation and extraction of the wealth is very real and continues.

We're in the "me" time right now.  Me times says you can profit (via favorable lobbied legislation), at the "expense" of the economic stability you derive your wealth from, instead of profiting while keeping the economic stability viable.

The effects(affects?, I always fuck that up) roll like a giant shit ball down hill and the end result is small business owners, who are the last line of defense for jobs, struggle against an environment that is removing the bulk of their business...customers.  Those customers can no longer afford their goods and services on minimum wage and the small business owner has a difficult time paying minimum wage and making profits.

So we end up with two types of loops.  One loop cannibalizes the economy, for profit, at the expense of societies stability...and the other loop (a direct result of the first loop) cannibalizes itself, trying vainly to profit, in a medium that keeps removing their source of stability.

[betteroffhere]

Minimum wage is the least amount possible that one can be paid and still "make it" in a particular economic environment as measured against cost of living...or at least it's suppose to be.  Several jobs, not a single job using the current minimum wage numbers, are required to make this a true statement in our current economic landscape...and that statement is only true in the most narrow sense.

Prices for goods and services are not, and never will, readjust back to levels that make Minimum wage viable against the cost of living.  We move forward, never backwards (unless it's assaulting women's rights or science).  

No attempts have been made, nor will be made anytime in the future, to address and remedy the "investment" brand of capitalism that "produces" very little (if any) jobs...and keeps cash out of the general economy and instead keeps it in a closed loop, that builds upon itself to benefit only those within that loop who do not use it as a betterment (jobs) and they also pay very little in capital gains...but the accumulation and extraction of the wealth is very real and continues.

We're in the "me" time right now.  Me times says you can profit (via favorable lobbied legislation), at the "expense" of the economic stability you derive your wealth from, instead of profiting while keeping the economic stability viable.

The effects(affects?, I always fuck that up) roll like a giant shit ball down hill and the end result is small business owners, who are the last line of defense for jobs, struggle against an environment that is removing the bulk of their business...customers.  Those customers can no longer afford their goods and services on minimum wage and the small business owner has a difficult time paying minimum wage and making profits.

So we end up with two types of loops.  One loop cannibalizes the economy, for profit, at the expense of societies stability...and the other loop (a direct result of the first loop) cannibalizes itself, trying vainly to profit, in a medium that keeps removing their source of stability.

its in its name yo...minimum....not maximum....the min allows you to get by...

you may not have what you want...but you can afford what is needed...

and if you can't figure out how to team together and survive....fuck you...!!!

this is america...where even the poor have cable, cell phones, internet access...please...

the rest of the world just shakes their head in shame at our glutenous living standards...

the people of america have no true idea of what poor is...except for maybe those moutain people living in the appalachian's

[uselesslegs]

its in its name yo...minimum....not maximum....the min allows you to get by...

you may not have what you want...but you can afford what is needed...

and if you can't figure out how to team together and survive....fuck you...!!!

this is america...where even the poor have cable, cell phones, internet access...please...

the rest of the world just shakes their head in shame at our glutenous living standards...

the people of america have no true idea of what poor is...except for maybe those moutain people living in the appalachian's

I don't know why so many people think we should actually have a goodly portion of the population actually living in third world status...in order to be considered poor.

We lifted our least fortunate to have the ability to at least be able to have some form of housing and food...and that's by no means everyone.  Because we're America.  We're not like those other countries that leave their dying in the streets.  I don't understand why they must suffer to extremes, in order to fulfill a definition that resembles Somalia, to be taken seriously as a poor individual.  I sort of thought we didn't want to return to the days of poor houses and hospitals where you just go to die, not be treated.

Minimum wage is a joke in our current economic environment.  It's better than 2 dollars an hour, but that's not saying much.

This IS America...and the poor having cable, cell phones and internet access, refrigerators and microwaves is no more farcical in conjunction with being poor...than those same people dying from a simple toothache, because they couldn't afford 30 dollars for anti-biotics.  Poor isn't relative to someone who is poor...poor is poor when compared to the surrounding environment and how you fair within it. What IS accessible, via amenities, to an individual of little means, does not redetermine what poor means.  Even the slaves/poor in Rome had access to the bathhouses, Forums and amenities...that did not redetermine their slave/poor status.

We're either America in every sense of what that implies and try to be...or we are not and need to drop the greatness routine.

Not everyone will be fortunate, that's life.  But what's available based on innovation and commonality doesn't make one ungrateful and thus not poor by poors standard...it's what's present for the bulk.  I have a cell phone, but I can't afford to go to the movies.  I have a refrigerator, but I couldn't afford a single pair of jeans right now.  I have electricity and internet, but even without them...I would make no significant move towards a positive financial bank account.  I would be sitting in the dark, unable to charge my wheelchair and be at the mercy of people coming to check in on me, rather than being able to call for help.

There are individuals even less fortunate than myself, but that does not make me non-poor.

[Howey]

Wait. You've got an electric wheelchair? Well ain't THAT suckin off the gubmint tit!

[betteroffhere]

Wait. You've got an electric wheelchair? Well ain't THAT suckin off the gubmint tit!

that made me laugh...

alrighty...usinglessleggs...

while you may feel poor or not non poor...thats because your view is from the wealthiest nations perspective...

but worldly...most would consider affluent...

based on available options...you're in america...

where you can get paid for your creativity...you can produce if you choose !!

[uselesslegs]

I look at it like the person who compares the leper to the person with Aids and says one is worse off.  They're both fucked.  One to stay confined from society, one to be rejected by society.  No one wants Aids, but it's the lesser of the two evils if you were forced to choose one...but that doesn't make it less devastating.