The Other 99%

[Howey]

With even more sexual assaults!

Take that Egypt!

What have there been? Two? In public parks in the middle of the night? I'm confident there's more when there isn't thousands of Occupiers around.

Shit like this pisses me off, especially considering the protesters are there protesting (in part) what's happening to our police, teachers, and so on the past year or so. I don't recall any teabaggers being pepper sprayed or beaten with night sticks, do you?

[lil mike]

What have there been? Two? In public parks in the middle of the night? I'm confident there's more when there isn't thousands of Occupiers around.

Shit like this pisses me off, especially considering the protesters are there protesting (in part) what's happening to our police, teachers, and so on the past year or so. I don't recall any teabaggers being pepper sprayed or beaten with night sticks, do you?

I think it's probably a few more than two, but they may depend on if you are counting "rape rape" or garden variety sexual assault.

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2011/10/18/occupy-cleveland-protester-alleges-she-was-raped/

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/party_over_bum_ezkUNyRYN1Z94jCRyIddFM#ixzz1beHKwS00

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/10/24/accusations-of-teen-runaway-sexual-activity-at-occupy-dallas/

http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/10/31/woman-says-she-was-raped-at-occupybaltimore-begs-for-protest-to-be-shut-down/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BigGovernment+%28Big+Government%29

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/13/man-arrested-after-sexual-assault-at-occupy-philadelphia/#ixzz1ddAsI1tw


Don't worry.  The fact that you only know about two shows the media is doing a pretty good job and sitting on this.  Can you imagine if this many sexual assaults were happening at TEA Party rallies?  It would never be off the front page or lead news story on the nightly news.

[Howey]

Let's look at your examples:

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2011/10/18/occupy-cleveland-protester-alleges-she-was-raped/

So she was a 19 year old with a learning disability, still attending a "high school" who happened to show up and claim to be raped even though the organizers confirmed they don't assign sleeping arrangements, the protest had been peaceful up until the point, the "rapist" hadn't been caught, and nobody knew about it until two weeks later when she went to the police? Yeah, I'll believe her claim when the rapist is arrested.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/party_over_bum_ezkUNyRYN1Z94jCRyIddFM#ixzz1beHKwS00[/quote]

The methadone-addled man freeloading off the Wall Street protest -- who told The Post there are warrants out for his arrest -- was collared yesterday for allegedly groping a young woman.

So he was a panhandler and not a member of Occupy. Thank you.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/10/24/accusations-of-teen-runaway-sexual-activity-at-occupy-dallas/

A source within the Dallas Police Department who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation said the girl ran away from home in Garland last month and that she is now refusing to cooperate with investigators. She initially told officers that she had sex with a man in his early twenties and had engaged in sexual activity with several other people.

Correct me if I'm wrongo...She was a 14 year old runaway who won't cooperate with investigators? Aside from the fact that a huge group of people assembled in a park like this would be the perfect place for a runaway to hide, I'm not buying her story. Apparently, the police aren't either.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/13/man-arrested-after-sexual-assault-at-occupy-philadelphia/#ixzz1ddAsI1tw

Ok. This may or may not be the truth, even coming from Fox. We may or may not have one case nationwide of a possible sexual assault at an OWC camp, one of hundreds containing hundreds of thousands of people. But...then we hear about this and I'm becoming sceptical of any rape claims:

http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/10/31/woman-says-she-was-raped-at-occupybaltimore-begs-for-protest-to-be-shut-down/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BigGovernment+%28Big+Government%29

OMFG. BRETIBART? Teamed with a zealot FOX station trotting out an anonymous chick who tells them that she was raped but she didn't go to the hospital, police or anything???

Haven't you learned anything yet? Check this out:

As Occupy Baltimore rape charge fizzles, security and homeless issues remain

Recent days have hung heavy for Occupy Baltimore. The group has struggled with allegations of sexual assault, revised its sexual assault policy in the face of criticism from, among other sources, a nationally known right-wing website, dealt with an influx of homeless people to their encampment and gotten ensnarled in a shoving incident involving a Fox 45 television news crew filming a critical report.

“I’m a little frustrated. There’s been this scandal-finding approach taken by television journalists with no attempt to actually communicate with people here,” said Ian Logsdon, a member of Occupy Baltimore’s media team.

Never mind that the sexual-assault-at-Occupy-Baltimore allegation that clattered around in the local news cycle for 24 hours turned out to be unfounded. With some in the blogosphere and local media poised to weave any whiff of trouble at Occupy into a dark new narrative, Logsdon remarked, “I’m beginning to hate Twitter.”

In a statement released yesterday, Baltimore City Police Det. Jeremy Silbert said, “At this time, the facts and evidence do not suggest that a sex offense occurred.”

So we have Breitbart, Fox, and all these conservative websites trotting out potentially fabricated stories to discredit the OWC protesters. Gosh. Where's Jimmy O'Keefe whent they need him??

O’Keefe’s vision, pieced together from court filings, interviews and tax records filed by his nonprofit Project Veritas, has been hampered by bitter infighting, lack of funding and even his own fame.
 
And O’Keefe has begun to fight back, preparing lawsuits against two former associates-turned-critics — one who claims O’Keefe had little to do with his biggest post-ACORN exposé, focused on NPR, and another former colleague who says she backed out of a project last month because of O’Keefe’s lack of professionalism.
 
The mounting turmoil comes as O’Keefe’s recent efforts — including an apparently ongoing media bias exposé called “To Catch a Journalist” and an effort to highlight the hypocrisy of Occupy Wall Street protesters — have mostly fallen flat.

I guess Andy cut him off. 


Anyhow, I guess police agree with me. Most, if not all of the problems involved with the OWS movement are logistically challenged, based upon the groups taking over public parks and other areas frequented by lowlifes, rapists, and the homeless. Not the people within the groups.

So why are they beating peaceful protesters? Why are they tazing, pepper spraying, and arresting peaceful protesters?

[Howey]

Don't worry.  The fact that you only know about two shows the media is doing a pretty good job and sitting on this.  Can you imagine if this many sexual assaults were happening at TEA Party rallies?  It would never be off the front page or lead news story on the nightly news.

I guess I'll address this. Sexual assaults at tea party rallies? Really? Do you really think the teabaggers even know what SEX is, considering the name they gave themselves?

How can they have sex wearing those silly outfits? Aren't most teabaggers, like, well 80 years old? We'll never know, considering the diminishing numbers of teabaggers out there. It's a shame, I'd love to see the headline on Breitbart:

TEABAGGER RAPED BY TRI-CORNERED HAT!

[lil mike]

Let's look at your examples:

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2011/10/18/occupy-cleveland-protester-alleges-she-was-raped/

So she was a 19 year old with a learning disability, still attending a "high school" who happened to show up and claim to be raped even though the organizers confirmed they don't assign sleeping arrangements, the protest had been peaceful up until the point, the "rapist" hadn't been caught, and nobody knew about it until two weeks later when she went to the police? Yeah, I'll believe her claim when the rapist is arrested.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/party_over_bum_ezkUNyRYN1Z94jCRyIddFM#ixzz1beHKwS00

So he was a panhandler and not a member of Occupy. Thank you.

Correct me if I'm wrongo...She was a 14 year old runaway who won't cooperate with investigators? Aside from the fact that a huge group of people assembled in a park like this would be the perfect place for a runaway to hide, I'm not buying her story. Apparently, the police aren't either.

Ok. This may or may not be the truth, even coming from Fox. We may or may not have one case nationwide of a possible sexual assault at an OWC camp, one of hundreds containing hundreds of thousands of people. But...then we hear about this and I'm becoming sceptical of any rape claims:

OMFG. BRETIBART? Teamed with a zealot FOX station trotting out an anonymous chick who tells them that she was raped but she didn't go to the hospital, police or anything???

Haven't you learned anything yet? Check this out:

So we have Breitbart, Fox, and all these conservative websites trotting out potentially fabricated stories to discredit the OWC protesters. Gosh. Where's Jimmy O'Keefe whent they need him??

I guess Andy cut him off. 


Anyhow, I guess police agree with me. Most, if not all of the problems involved with the OWS movement are logistically challenged, based upon the groups taking over public parks and other areas frequented by lowlifes, rapists, and the homeless. Not the people within the groups.

So why are they beating peaceful protesters? Why are they tazing, pepper spraying, and arresting peaceful protesters?

I enjoyed your debunking of those sexual assaults. 

Hard to believe you were the same guy who wrote this:  http://popculturedoneright.smfforfree.com/index.php/topic,979.msg9398.html#msg9398

[Howey]

I enjoyed your debunking of those sexual assaults. 

Hard to believe you were the same guy who wrote this:  http://popculturedoneright.smfforfree.com/index.php/topic,979.msg9398.html#msg9398

It's a shame you never replied in that post. Of course, I knew your position, and that of your comrades on the right. There's no such thing as rape.

Actual sexual assault isn't the same as purported and planned sexual assault. In the case of Cain, we have a legitimate accuser, a legitimate aggressor, legitimate witnesses, and a signed, sealed settlement, oops agreement between the parties intended to shut them up.

If you gotta shut someone up, didn't someone do something wrong?

Meanwhile, back on the farm.

This, my friend, is an example of real rape:

We first noticed Marine Sgt. Charles Dyer, aka "July4Patriot," back in March, when we ran one of the first reports on the "Oath Keepers" bloc of the Tea Party movement -- an organization devoted to recruiting military and police-force veterans into a Patriot-movement belief system predicated on a series of paranoid conspiracy theories, especially the notion that the federal government intends to begin rounding up citizens and putting them in concentration camps.
 
Dyer played a prominent role in connecting the Oath Keepers to the Tea Party movement, speaking at a July 4 Tea Party rally in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. And he's been involved in organizing militia "maneuvers" in Oklahoma.
 
Dyer cropped up again in the news -- this time in the police blotter for allegedly raping a 7-year-old girl:
 

An ex-military man has been arrested on charges of rape of a child and forcible sodomy.
 
Charles Alan Dyer, 29, of Marlow, was arrested Tuesday afternoon by Stephens County Sheriff’s deputies, said Sheriff Wayne McKinney. Dyer served in the United States Marines in Iraq.

I'll try to meddle through google to find other specific instances like this. It's hard to do though, most hits have to do with a more general "Tea Party rapes America" type of stuff...

[ekg]

I think it's probably a few more than two, but they may depend on if you are counting "rape rape" or garden variety sexual assault.

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2011/10/18/occupy-cleveland-protester-alleges-she-was-raped/

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/party_over_bum_ezkUNyRYN1Z94jCRyIddFM#ixzz1beHKwS00

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/10/24/accusations-of-teen-runaway-sexual-activity-at-occupy-dallas/

http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/10/31/woman-says-she-was-raped-at-occupybaltimore-begs-for-protest-to-be-shut-down/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BigGovernment+%28Big+Government%29

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/13/man-arrested-after-sexual-assault-at-occupy-philadelphia/#ixzz1ddAsI1tw


Don't worry.  The fact that you only know about two shows the media is doing a pretty good job and sitting on this.  Can you imagine if this many sexual assaults were happening at TEA Party rallies?  It would never be off the front page or lead news story on the nightly news.

That was shoddy from you. I get that you're anti anything 'progressive' even when it used to be 'conservative' but can we atleast pretend to want real facts and not bullshit smear campaigns?

I'm just so tired of all the make believe. What you did just now is the equivalent to what Perry and Romney have been doing with "Obama said Americans are lazy".. no he didn't, they just took that clip and edited it down to make it seem like he did..pretty nefarious there and it makes the GOP field look so petty and weak. Why would you want a President that has to resort to 'photoshop' to win? Is that statesmen-like somehow? Is that good leadership?

Yes, we went after Bush.. and we went after him hard. But it wasn't because he was the editor of Harvard law review or because he used a teleprompter.. no, it was for lies on Iraq, the torture, the leaks, the bad policy.. there is no equivalence in the right's attack on Obama for his ear being the reason he can't lead this country and Bush was a bad president because he disregarded FISA laws and wire-tapped Americans... one is a real issue, the other..? fabrication from a bitter populous..

Lets look at the facts.. have there been rapes at any OWC camp? Maybe, but considering the 1000's of people in the 100's of locations across the country.. even if the 3 you listed were valid, we're still talking 3 out of 10,000's of people. You can walk down the streets on your way home from work in each of those cities you listed, Philly,Baltimore,Dallas,Cleveland and NY and have a better chance of being raped and killed.. no? So let's not use make-believe or over-inflated hyperbole to knock OWC just because you don't agree with it..

yes, we knocked the Tea-party.. again, it wasn't from make believe though.. Yes, they carried guns to their rally, yes the held sign saying "Obama is a socialist, but don't cut my medicare or SS". Yes they had melt downs over the "death panels" that were really just living wills... which in 2009, Newt proposed as a way to to cut 30 billion a year from medicare since end-of-life care costs so fucking much and having a simply talk with your loved one and asking what they want when the time comes is better than just not knowing... trust me!

The individual mandate was another invalid meltdown, invalid since before Obama suggested it,it was a suggestion from the 90's GOP.. which they got from the GOP heritage foundation and Newt Gingrich..so if those folks aren't Kenyan socialist for that, neither is Obama.

I'm an utterly sick of seeing formerly smart and rationale people, such as  yourself, falling to this level of attack.. I know it's easy..hell I slip in and out of it all the time....But do you really want a leader that would rise out of that cesspool to lead the most powerful country in history? Is he really going to be good for this country?

so how about we change the national conversation and start demanding disagreement on real issues, not this photo-shop Breitbart, Jimmy O'keefe bullshit.. because if we don't, the only leaders we're going to have in this country are the Andrew BreitBarts and Jimmy O'keefe's of the world.. and even you can't want that.

[Howey]

That was shoddy from you. I get that you're anti anything 'progressive' even when it used to be 'conservative' but can we atleast pretend to want real facts and not bullshit smear campaigns?

That's the way they work. That's all they have left.

What you did just now is the equivalent to what Perry and Romney have been doing with "Obama said Americans are lazy".. no he didn't, they just took that clip and edited it down to make it seem like he did..pretty nefarious there and it makes the GOP field look so petty and weak.

The "Obama says American's are lazy spiel is the most sickening thing I've heard in years. Especially since Romney actually said it in his book.

“We have been accustomed to being the world’s leading nation for so long, enjoying the freedom, security, and prosperity that comes with that leadership, that we have tended to avoid the hard work that overcoming challenges requires. When I was about ten, I asked my dad how he thought his company’s Rambler automobile could ever successfully compete with General Motors; they were so far ahead that catching up appeared impossible. He said something that has since been widely attributed to him: “There is nothing as vulnerable as entrenched success.” I believe that our many years of success may, in fact, be the greatest obstacle we face. In election after election, candidates have told us that simple measures will solve our challenges, and that their election alone will guarantee a bright future. We have joined in the cheering for this heady prospect. But much more than cheering is going to be required in the years ahead.”

Not to mention Paul Ryan, who said the same thing a couple of days ago:

I hear from so many businesses these days that actually we can hire people but we can't find people with the skills. And that's a big deal.

Part of it is the culture of people just having no work ethic — coming to work on time and all those issues — and when people are out of work for more than year, their skills really start to atrophy. That's what's really terrible about this.

and...

Education is at the heart of it all, but the culture is, too. Moral relativism has done so much damage to the bottom end of this country, the bottom fifth has been damaged by the culture of moral relativism more than by anything else, I would argue. If you ask me what the biggest problem in America is, I'm not going to tell you debt, deficits, statistics, economics — I'll tell you it's moral relativism.

[ekg]

exactly.. why make a national campaign ad that  you had to photophop, when your party is saying so much worse? why make shit up at all.. come after Obama on his buddy-buddy ness with wall street and banks.. come after him on lack of clarity on sooo many issues, come after him over his almost lack of leadership when it comes to any issue trying to get thru congress.. come after him on not being ballsy enough to use his 60 majority when he had it..

there are just so many 'real' things to come after him.. same with OWC, that there isn't a need to make it up..


as for the stuff said above by Romney and Ryan... unfortunately, I fear that who they are talking about are the 'thems'... you know, 'those' people over there.. NOT real Americans.. whereas to Romney and Ryan, Obama, who was really talking about the lazy Gov't, meant Real Americans..because it plays better one Fixnews..

it's just so.... tiresome.

[Howey]

What have there been? Two? In public parks in the middle of the night? I'm confident there's more when there isn't thousands of Occupiers around.

Shit like this pisses me off, especially considering the protesters are there protesting (in part) what's happening to our police, teachers, and so on the past year or so. I don't recall any teabaggers being pepper sprayed or beaten with night sticks, do you?

Good!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/19/uc-davis-police-pepper-spray-students_n_1102728.html

Two UC Davis police officers involved in the incidents have reportedly been placed on administrative leave.

[Howey]

I guess since lilMike can quote Breitbart, I can pull out a TP story:

http://thinkprogress.org/media/2011/11/18/372290/fox-news-occupy-shooter/

Yesterday, authorities charged Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez with attempting to assassinate President Obama after he allegedly fired an assault riffle at the White House. Never missing an opportunity to politicize such an event, Fox News baselessly tried to tie Ortega-Hernandez to the 99 Percent Movement, running a chyron that dubbed the man the “‘Occupy’ shooter.”
 
Fox & Friends host Gretchen Carlson said the shooter “may have tried to blend in with the Occupy protesters in D.C.,” and asked conservative blogger Michelle Malkin, “What would have happened if a tea party person had tried to do that?” Malkin took the bait, but admitted that “political ideology” was likely not a motivation of the man. Watch it, via Media Matters:

Meanwhile, Fox Nation, the social news site owned by Fox News, ran a headline yesterday blaring: “Man Linked to ‘Occupy’ Protest Charged With Attempted Assassination of Obama.” On Wednesday night’s Special Report — one of Fox’s “straight news” shows — host Bret Baier said, “Hernandez reportedly spent time with the Occupy D.C. protesters.”
 
The claim was based on a report that authorities searched the Occupy DC encampment in their wide-ranging manhunt for Ortega-Hernandez, a logical step as the site is less than the two blocks from the White House. Unfortunately, for Fox, investigators “found no connection between him and the Occupy protesters,” the Washington Post and other outlets reported the day before Carlson and Malkin claimed a link. Indeed, by then, Ortega-Hernandez had already been arrested in Pennsylvania, and there were reports that he was motivated by mental illness and hatred for Obama.

This type of baseless smear is perhaps to be expected on conservative blogs and radio shows — many of which leapt on the phony connection to Occupy DC — but one would expect better from the country’s largest cable network, which no doubt should have seen the reports dismissing the connection between Ortega-Hernandez and the Occupy protesters.

[Howey]

Oh, shit! We're anti-American!

Rep. Joe Walsh (R-IL) on Saturday blasted the “Occupy Wall Street” movement and suggested it was a ploy to help re-elect Barack Obama in 2012.
 
“I generally think this whole Occupy Wall Street stuff is a well orchestrated, well-funded far left effort to disrupt the American people and rile up Obama’s left base,” he said at a town hall meeting in Gurnee. “I think these are generally spoiled, pampered, unfocused, clueless young people and a smattering of other people who don’t understand this country and are advocating anti-American solutions.”
 
“They don’t at all represent America and I think that the president and the White House and the Democrats kind of want to encourage it and now they’re scared because these folks are doing some pretty ugly things and now our Democratic politicians are conflicted,” he continued. “But its an anti-American, well funded left wing effort that may disrupt a lot of things next year, but they are clueless when it comes to what this country is all about and the rest of the country ought to educate them.”

Walsh, a tea party favorite in Congress, added that even veterans at “Occupy Wall Street” protests around the country were anti-American because they advocated “socialist solutions.”

This is, of course, the same Joe Walsh who (h/t Chuck!) refused to pay his child support. I guess that's the fault of the veterans too. 

[lil mike]

It's a shame you never replied in that post. Of course, I knew your position, and that of your comrades on the right. There's no such thing as rape.

I may go back and respond to it.  But just to be clear, are you saying that my position is that there is no such thing as rape?

I just want to be clear on that.

Actual sexual assault isn't the same as purported and planned sexual assault. In the case of Cain, we have a legitimate accuser, a legitimate aggressor, legitimate witnesses, and a signed, sealed settlement, oops agreement between the parties intended to shut them up.

If you gotta shut someone up, didn't someone do something wrong?

I dunno.  Are you saying that every time there is an accusation of some sort of sexual harassment in which there is a settlement, does that mean there really was sexual harassment?  I thought after the Clinton years these accusers came from dragging "a $100 bill through a trailer camp and there's no telling what you will find."  

I wasn't even talking about Cain though just the OWS crowd.  

Meanwhile, back on the farm.

This, my friend, is an example of real rape:


I'll try to meddle through google to find other specific instances like this. It's hard to do though, most hits have to do with a more general "Tea Party rapes America" type of stuff...

That's fine!  I think it was a lot easier though for me to google sexual assault OWS though.

[lil mike]

That was shoddy from you. I get that you're anti anything 'progressive' even when it used to be 'conservative' but can we atleast pretend to want real facts and not bullshit smear campaigns?

I'm just so tired of all the make believe. What you did just now is the equivalent to what Perry and Romney have been doing with "Obama said Americans are lazy".. no he didn't, they just took that clip and edited it down to make it seem like he did..pretty nefarious there and it makes the GOP field look so petty and weak. Why would you want a President that has to resort to 'photoshop' to win? Is that statesmen-like somehow? Is that good leadership?

Yes, we went after Bush.. and we went after him hard. But it wasn't because he was the editor of Harvard law review or because he used a teleprompter.. no, it was for lies on Iraq, the torture, the leaks, the bad policy.. there is no equivalence in the right's attack on Obama for his ear being the reason he can't lead this country and Bush was a bad president because he disregarded FISA laws and wire-tapped Americans... one is a real issue, the other..? fabrication from a bitter populous..

Lets look at the facts.. have there been rapes at any OWC camp? Maybe, but considering the 1000's of people in the 100's of locations across the country.. even if the 3 you listed were valid, we're still talking 3 out of 10,000's of people. You can walk down the streets on your way home from work in each of those cities you listed, Philly,Baltimore,Dallas,Cleveland and NY and have a better chance of being raped and killed.. no? So let's not use make-believe or over-inflated hyperbole to knock OWC just because you don't agree with it..

yes, we knocked the Tea-party.. again, it wasn't from make believe though.. Yes, they carried guns to their rally, yes the held sign saying "Obama is a socialist, but don't cut my medicare or SS". Yes they had melt downs over the "death panels" that were really just living wills... which in 2009, Newt proposed as a way to to cut 30 billion a year from medicare since end-of-life care costs so fucking much and having a simply talk with your loved one and asking what they want when the time comes is better than just not knowing... trust me!

The individual mandate was another invalid meltdown, invalid since before Obama suggested it,it was a suggestion from the 90's GOP.. which they got from the GOP heritage foundation and Newt Gingrich..so if those folks aren't Kenyan socialist for that, neither is Obama.

I'm an utterly sick of seeing formerly smart and rationale people, such as  yourself, falling to this level of attack.. I know it's easy..hell I slip in and out of it all the time....But do you really want a leader that would rise out of that cesspool to lead the most powerful country in history? Is he really going to be good for this country?

so how about we change the national conversation and start demanding disagreement on real issues, not this photo-shop Breitbart, Jimmy O'keefe bullshit.. because if we don't, the only leaders we're going to have in this country are the Andrew BreitBarts and Jimmy O'keefe's of the world.. and even you can't want that.

Oh it was shoddy.  It was just a simple 30 second Google search.  No real research involved.  I only brought it up because of Howey's Arab Spring comment.  Really?  This is "our" Arab Spring?

There is no end to the attacks on this level I could back against OWS.  I don't know why you would be offended by it though since this is exactly the type of attack that you leveled against the Tea Party for years.  I always preferred to debate the content of their argument, which is something during the entire period of tea party gatherings, I don't think you ever once showed an interest in. 

The theater however... the Ed Show level of attack; thats what you enjoyed.

But now, if after all these years you would like to step it up and talk about the actual content of the OWS protests, I would love to do it. 

[ekg]

Oh it was shoddy.  It was just a simple 30 second Google search.  No real research involved.  I only brought it up because of Howey's Arab Spring comment.  Really?  This is "our" Arab Spring?

There is no end to the attacks on this level I could back against OWS.  I don't know why you would be offended by it though since this is exactly the type of attack that you leveled against the Tea Party for years.  I always preferred to debate the content of their argument, which is something during the entire period of tea party gatherings, I don't think you ever once showed an interest in. 

The theater however... the Ed Show level of attack; thats what you enjoyed.

But now, if after all these years you would like to step it up and talk about the actual content of the OWS protests, I would love to do it. 

no, I don't believe you would love it, in fact I don't know that you can. You had the perfect opp to do so and chose to level invalid charges at me for my valid bitch with the tea-party, even after I listed my complaints and even said I was in the habit of doing exactly what you were doing but was trying to get out of it and offered you my hand so we could both get up out of the shit... and then, I don't watch the Ed Show so I don't know your reference but knowing where you're at right now, you throw what I know was not a compliment.. so No, I don't think you would love to talk about any issue unless it's been buried under 3ft of shit and distorted beyond any recognition..

but maybe you'll learn to love it again..

so, I'll put the hand out there again and go 1st.. what's your real beef with the protestors.. not the pot-heads out having fun that Foxnews searched for to get their Beavis and Butthead sound-byte.. but the real protestors who are out there for real reasons..How do they not want what you, a libertarian.. uh, a capitalist, would also want?