I'm still waiting
still waiting..
it took you awhile to there didn't you. .. you spent that time pointing out my deficiency in debating an issue without 'veering off'.. the irony..
I couldn't agree more with most of everything you said, once we finally got to the meat of the issue. But, I don't find it to be the problem you do. OWS is a unique phenomena , given that there isn't a singular issue at heart in any of the cities they are occupying. They are a voice, and only a voice, crying out that things are not right.. and things need to change. What isn't right? What needs to change? The list, as you would probably agree is simply to long and convoluted to name.. But that doesn't make the 'wrong' any less wrong.. It is that tho, that bothers your 'orderly' style the most. You like black and white, cut and dried.. a collage seems anarchist to you.. so you cannot see OWS for what it is.. this not an insult, no more than it would be an insult to say you can't see the shapes in those 3d posters that were popular a few years ago.. it's just what it is.. To you, OWS is a jumble.. but that is what makes them beautiful and dangerous..
we are a broken country right now, just look at the super-committee.. or better yet, look at you and I. Sure, I had a hand in 'breaking' us.. but I don't think it was any more or less than your hand in it also. The difference is I accept that and you're still blaming and insulting... OWS is what would be our child if we were to have had one, something is wrong, their wrath is loud,bitchy and a little psycho.. but their feelings of anger and despair are genuine. But most of all, they are not going to go away.. Foxnews like smears, the kinds of things you've said about them, mayors and police pepper-spraying them.. all that is only going to make them grow.. They have already changed the national dialog from "Debt Reduction" to "Jobs and padded capitalism gone wild".. keep ignoring them, keep belittling them, allow your GOP leaders to keep egging them on with "Get a job, loser" remarks and they will only grow into something all politicians will fear.. because there will be a single voice eventually and with that voice will come retribution..
These people are not going away quietly, they've felt for years that things were wrong, that their country was really taken from.. not because a black man was elected like some of the Tea-Party felt, but really taken from them. Illegal wars were waged in their name with their money, their neighbors phones were tapped,their money was stolen from them by greed all while everyone sat on their hands and let it happen... laws have been passed that have take the singular voice from them and giving it to corporation and the highest bidder..bailouts were paid to banks while families were foreclosed on and thrown into the streets..
something is wrong in the country and they are out there letting everyone know that they know it..
Japanese Admiral Yamamoto once said "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant." ...That giant is awakening again with OWS...
Well you're right that I do see OWS as a jumble; no matter how much I squint the 3D just isn't' popping out to me, but I don't see that as a weakness. Before I would throw my support to something, I would want to know what that something is. OWS is vaguely leftish, but there is a whole lot of things that can fill in that gap. I'm pretty sure it could be some things that you wouldn't like very much. So although it could grow into something that could be a large political force in the same way the Tea Party did, as of now I would doubt that very much. It would have to do a lot of morphing and the hardest part would be to actually corral behind some actual policy positions.
Then the grass roots organizing required to to make a difference in elections, such us going against incumbents to elect their own people in Democratic primaries, and then actually turning out to vote for their people on election day. There doesn't seem enough time to do that. The primaries are only a few months away.
Something is wrong, but you've just given a list of things
you felt were wrong. OWS lists may vary. They are not your generation after all.
Yes we are a broken country, but you and I don't have a consensus on why or
how to
fix it. I'm not sure OWS is even far enough along to have their own ideas on that. And to me, I find that a dangerous situation to be in. A lot of young people semi-organized but without a real concrete goal. It sounds like they're ripe for a suitable demagogue. If it gets that far.
OWS is what would be our child if we were to have had one
I'm double wrappin' it.
not because a black man was elected like some of the Tea-Party felt
Ha! You just couldn't help yourself!
