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« on: November 20, 2011, 04:41:07 pm » |
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Tell me now that the rich don't run the country? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/20/supercommittee-fail_n_1103722.htmlThe leaders of a special deficit reduction panel signaled Sunday that they will fail to strike a deal to reduce the deficit before their Wednesday deadline.
Republican opposition to taxing the rich is the main obstacle, Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) said on CNN's "State of the Union."
"There is one sticking divide, and that is the issue of what I call shared sacrifice, where everybody contributes in a very challenging time for our country," Murray said. "That's the Bush tax cuts. In making sure that any kind of package includes everybody coming to the table and the wealthiest of Americans, those who earn over a million dollars every year, have to share, too. And that line in the sand, we haven't seen any Republicans willing to cross yet." |
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2011, 04:44:40 pm » |
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"As long as we have some Republican lawmakers who feel more enthralled with a pledge they took to a Republican lobbyist than they do to a pledge to the country to solve the problems, this is going to be hard to do."
-- Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA), in an interview with CNN, on Grover Norquist's anti-tax pledge blocking compromise among the debt supercommittee members.
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2011, 11:57:52 am » |
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The devil of the details on this general issue is such things like Warren Buffet saying that he should pay more when he is exempt, at least in many ways. The upper middle(ever dwindling)class is who will possibly pay more, not the villains who have sweetheart exemptions like GE.
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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2011, 10:28:17 pm » |
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Have you seen Grover's 'excuse'.. I love it.. Notorious anti-tax crusader Grover Norquist said Democrats who've blamed him for the super committee's bipartisan budget gridlock are simply lying.The president of Americans for Tax Reform encouraged Republican members of the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction to sign a pledge that binds them to resist raising taxes as they work to find $1.2 trillion dollars in deficit-cutting measures by Wednesday, but on CNN's "American Morning," he said the pledge was between the country and its congressmen, and not with him. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/21/norquist-democrats-are-lying/yeah, sure.. I love this.. It's soooooooooooooooooooo lilmike technical.. I guess he can try that as Plausible deniability, but I don't think it'll work.. |
Facts are the center. We don’t pretend that certain facts are in dispute to give the appearance of fairness to people who don’t believe them. Balance is irrelevant to me. It doesn’t have anything to do with truth, logic or reality. ~Charlie Skinner (the Newsroom)
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2011, 04:15:12 pm » |
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“The only reason the committee failed was because Republicans refused to raise taxes on the rich, and, in fact, wanted to cut them even below their current bargain-basement level.” NYT Editorial today |
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2011, 07:11:28 pm » |
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Have you seen Grover's 'excuse'.. I love it..
yeah, sure.. I love this.. It's soooooooooooooooooooo lilmike technical..
I guess he can try that as Plausible deniability, but I don't think it'll work..
There is nothing technical about it. If a congressman violates the pledge, who enforces it? His district. The voters. Anyway I figured you would be happy with the failure. You'll never get these kind of cuts in defense any other way. |
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2011, 07:38:04 pm » |
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There is nothing technical about it. If a congressman violates the pledge, who enforces it?
His district. The voters.
Anyway I figured you would be happy with the failure. You'll never get these kind of cuts in defense any other way.
Why did the congressman make the pledge to the voters instead of some rabble-rouser? |
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2011, 09:28:18 pm » |
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There is nothing technical about it. If a congressman violates the pledge, who enforces it?
His district. The voters.
Anyway I figured you would be happy with the failure. You'll never get these kind of cuts in defense any other way.
I'm trying to figure out where you got that I was happy with the failure..I figure the defense budget probably needs Obama's increased $ because drones cost more and less money would mean less drones.. and I like drones... altho I'm sure there is money there that could be saved if anyone was willing to find it.. but after the OWS thread debacle and your, um, "inaccurate and slightly misleading" news reports and photos.. I guess you've photo-shopped something else to get to that conclusion.. sad. next time just ask..*shrug* anyway, RE:Grover, yeah.. it's his pledge.. no squirming out of that one.. If the devil asked me to sign a pledge to baseball, it's still a deal with the devil.. |
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2011, 11:27:05 am » |
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Why did the congressman make the pledge to the voters instead of some rabble-rouser?
This sounds like a riddle. To get to the other side? Because it's popular amount Republican primary voters. And if it wasn't a candidate could simply refuse to sign, as many did. |
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2011, 11:29:33 am » |
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I'm trying to figure out where you got that I was happy with the failure..I figure the defense budget probably needs Obama's increased $ because drones cost more and less money would mean less drones.. and I like drones... altho I'm sure there is money there that could be saved if anyone was willing to find it..
but after the OWS thread debacle and your, um, "inaccurate and slightly misleading" news reports and photos.. I guess you've photo-shopped something else to get to that conclusion..
sad.
next time just ask..*shrug*
anyway, RE:Grover, yeah.. it's his pledge.. no squirming out of that one.. If the devil asked me to sign a pledge to baseball, it's still a deal with the devil..
In many previous comments, the defense budget was the first place you've mentioned that you wanted to cut. Including in the Obama era. So if you are now saying, no, you don't want cuts that big in the defense budget, are you upset that Obama said he would veto any attempt by Congress to fix those cuts? |
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2011, 11:59:57 am » |
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This sounds like a riddle. To get to the other side?
Because it's popular amount Republican primary voters. And if it wasn't a candidate could simply refuse to sign, as many did.
If you would check your facts a majority of Americans, including Republicans, favor increased taxes on the very rich so they pay their own share. |
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2011, 12:47:40 pm » |
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In many previous comments, the defense budget was the first place you've mentioned that you wanted to cut. Including in the Obama era. So if you are now saying, no, you don't want cuts that big in the defense budget, are you upset that Obama said he would veto any attempt by Congress to fix those cuts?
Wasn't the agreement to have defense cuts part of the deal establishing the supetcommittee? Which the republicans agreed to? Are they reneging on their word AGAIN? Funny... I don't see the dems clamoring to stop the automatic cuts to entitlements. Isn't integrity refreshing? |
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2011, 12:53:22 pm » |
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In many previous comments, the defense budget was the first place you've mentioned that you wanted to cut. Including in the Obama era. So if you are now saying, no, you don't want cuts that big in the defense budget, are you upset that Obama said he would veto any attempt by Congress to fix those cuts?
Fyi: Can we agree to the fact that Obama isn't making these cuts? Congress is, a Congress of a House run by repubs and a Senate rife with repub obstructionism. |
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