Obamacare

[lil mike]

so is this the lesson then, say whatever you want, whether true or not, get asked about it, piddle around hoping they forgot, piddle around some more hoping they forgot and then say you'll tell  the answer to their question on you facts if, and only if they will wager something first..

you made a statement of fact. you used that statement of fact to try and deflect from a website that you didn't like since it proved you wrong..you called that website "Hyper Partisan" because it's either that  or you're wrong..so how can it be anything else ... you are now asked to back up your statement of fact. Either TPM is a  501(c)(3) nonprofit public charity like ProCon.org is  or you owe me an apology.. there is no 'what will you give me if I tell you' here.. you made the statement, it's on you to back it up... not me or Howie to entice you into proving what you said..

Jesus Christ, grow the hell up already... if your wrong say so.. who gives a shit. You're not God, you do err.

You stated that your website proved me wrong. Thats incorrect.

By the way, don't you owe me an apology for that?

[ekg]

I don't know how Pro-Con got dragged into this. Its nonprofit, nonpartisan and used by everyone.

I used them.. and he called them a "hyper partisan website" ... when I explained what they were a 501(c)(3) nonprofit public charity  that's when he came back and said TPM was the same thing..

[ekg]

You stated that your website proved me wrong. Thats incorrect.

By the way, don't you owe me an apology for that?

Ok, Kazzy's back..

Howie, you won't get your answer.. this is lilmike, he makes things up and when you ask him to prove his claims he ducks and weaves and then makes you offer him something in order for him to tell you where he got his information..which he never tells you anyway.

iow, he's a fraud..

[Howey]

I used them.. and he called them a "hyper partisan website" ... when I explained what they were a 501(c)(3) nonprofit public charity  that's when he came back and said TPM was the same thing..

I used to use ProCon as a truly non-partisan source on the muche. Which they are. They look at both sides of an issue withouut judgement. Nowhere have I seen or heard of them being anything else but that. Neither are a "charity", so I don't understand
L that comparison. As I said before, TPM is a left leaning news site, not a 501c. 

ProCon is a research tool, not a news (or opinion) site.

[ekg]

I used to use ProCon as a truly non-partisan source on the muche. Which they are. They look at both sides of an issue withouut judgement. Nowhere have I seen or heard of them being anything else but that. Neither are a "charity", so I don't understand
L that comparison. As I said before, TPM is a left leaning news site, not a 501c. 

ProCon is a research tool, not a news (or opinion) site.

it's just their tax status..

501(c)(3) — Religious, Educational, Charitable, Scientific, Literary, Testing for Public Safety, to Foster National or International Amateur Sports Competition, or Prevention of Cruelty to Children or Animals Organizations

[Howey]

it's just their tax status..

501(c)(3) — Religious, Educational, Charitable, Scientific, Literary, Testing for Public Safety, to Foster National or International Amateur Sports Competition, or Prevention of Cruelty to Children or Animals Organizations

Their tax status is based on them being "educational" in nature, not charitable or anything else. Funny how Mr. LITERAL doesn't see that.

[ekg]

Their tax status is based on them being "educational" in nature, not charitable or anything else. Funny how Mr. LITERAL doesn't see that.

'charity' came from their website..

ProCon.org is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit public charity that has no government affiliations of any kind. Our purpose is to provide resources for critical thinking and to educate without bias. We do not express opinions on our research projects ("issue websites").

Our mission statement is:

    "Promoting critical thinking, education, and informed citizenship by presenting controversial issues in a straightforward, nonpartisan, primarily pro-con format."

We accomplish our mission by researching issues that we feel are controversial and important, and we work to present them in a balanced, comprehensive, straightforward, and primarily pro-con format at no charge on our websites.

[Howey]

'charity' came from their website..

 Okay I get what you're saying. That still does not negate the fact that they are not politically involved like lilMike accusrs them of. But he's accomplished his goal of diverting the topic away from the issue.

[ekg]

The exempt purposes set forth in section 501(c)(3) are charitable, religious, educational, scientific, literary, testing for public safety, fostering national or international amateur sports competition, and preventing cruelty to children or animals.  The term charitable is used in its generally accepted legal sense and includes relief of the poor, the distressed, or the underprivileged; advancement of religion; advancement of education or science; erecting or maintaining public buildings, monuments, or works; lessening the burdens of government; lessening neighborhood tensions; eliminating prejudice and discrimination; defending human and civil rights secured by law; and combating community deterioration and juvenile delinquency.
   
http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=175418,00.html

[Howey]

Yup. I'm right again!

[Howey]

The exempt purposes set forth in section 501(c)(3) are charitable, religious, educational, scientific, literary, testing for public safety, fostering national or international amateur sports competition, and preventing cruelty to children or animals.  The term charitable is used in its generally accepted legal sense and includes relief of the poor, the distressed, or the underprivileged; advancement of religion; advancement of education or science; erecting or maintaining public buildings, monuments, or works; lessening the burdens of government; lessening neighborhood tensions; eliminating prejudice and discrimination; defending human and civil rights secured by law; and combating community deterioration and juvenile delinquency.
   
http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=175418,00.html

Damn I'm dense sometimes. That proves TPM isn't a 501c and that lilMike is, indeed, a LIAR!

[ekg]

Okay I get what you're saying. That still does not negate the fact that they are not politically involved like lilMike accusrs them of. But he's accomplished his goal of diverting the topic away from the issue.

absolutely

The Restriction of Political Campaign Intervention by Section 501(c)(3) Tax-Exempt Organizations
 

Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity.  Violating this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes.

Certain activities or expenditures may not be prohibited depending on the facts and circumstances.  For example, certain voter education activities (including presenting public forums and publishing voter education guides) conducted in a non-partisan manner do not constitute prohibited political campaign activity. In addition, other activities intended to encourage people to participate in the electoral process, such as voter registration and get-out-the-vote drives, would not be prohibited political campaign activity if conducted in a non-partisan manner.

On the other hand, voter education or registration activities with evidence of bias that (a) would favor one candidate over another; (b) oppose a candidate in some manner; or (c) have the effect of favoring a candidate or group of candidates, will constitute prohibited participation or intervention.

The Internal Revenue Service provides resources  to exempt organizations and the public to help them understand the prohibition.  As part of its examination program, the IRS also monitors whether organizations are complying with the prohibition.

Lying is a strong word..right now Mike only misspoke and can't take it back because in his world if you make an error once, everything you've ever said or will ever say is in error also.. the part he doesn't get is people will only question his past and future remarks when he fails to acknowledge a blatant and non-relevant mistake such as this... I mean, if he won't admit he's wrong here, when obviously he is because TPM doesn't fall anywhere with those IRS guidelines, then what has he knowingly been wrong on before and kept to himself, and what will he falsify in the future?

[lil mike]

Ok, Kazzy's back..

Howie, you won't get your answer.. this is lilmike, he makes things up and when you ask him to prove his claims he ducks and weaves and then makes you offer him something in order for him to tell you where he got his information..which he never tells you anyway.

iow, he's a fraud..

No, you said that Wyden-Bennett had an individual mandate, not a tax.  I proved you wrong; with links.

Damn I'm dense sometimes. That proves TPM isn't a 501c and that lilMike is, indeed, a LIAR!

You are correct that TPM isn’t a 501c.  I was wrong on that and I admit it.  I must have been thinking of Media Matters.  They’ve been quite in the news this week as you probably know.

So I’m wrong on that and am willing to admit it.  However I’m not a liar since didn’t know that they were a LLC at the time I stated they were a 501c.  I can’t what possible purpose it would serve to lie about the tax status of TPM.  It wasn’t even a major part of what we were talking about.  We were talking about the individual mandate, an issue that’s fairly agnostic to TPM’s tax status.

absolutely

Lying is a strong word..right now Mike only misspoke and can't take it back because in his world if you make an error once, everything you've ever said or will ever say is in error also.. the part he doesn't get is people will only question his past and future remarks when he fails to acknowledge a blatant and non-relevant mistake such as this... I mean, if he won't admit he's wrong here, when obviously he is because TPM doesn't fall anywhere with those IRS guidelines, then what has he knowingly been wrong on before and kept to himself, and what will he falsify in the future?

Oh I admit I was wrong on TPM.  But I’m willing to admit it, and you still have not admitted that Wyden Bennett didn’t have an individual mandate, even those the CBO clearly stated it was a tax.
But anytime you don’t think I’m being factual, feel free to challenge me on it.  I’m not above being challenged, I’m not above being wrong, and I’m also not above admitting I’m wrong. 

However I’m very much alone in that last part.

Which is OK.

[Howey]

You are correct that TPM isn’t a 501c.  I was wrong on that and I admit it.

I must have been thinking of Media Matters.  They’ve been quite in the news this week as you probably know.

Why, yes I do! That's why I was waiting to realize your lie mistake. That's quite the non-expose your comrades have going on over there, huh?

I, for one, am all for MM educating the stupid about FOX News.

[ekg]

No, you said that Wyden-Bennett had an individual mandate, not a tax.  I proved you wrong; with links.

You are correct that TPM isn’t a 501c.  I was wrong on that and I admit it.  I must have been thinking of Media Matters.  They’ve been quite in the news this week as you probably know.

So I’m wrong on that and am willing to admit it.  However I’m not a liar since didn’t know that they were a LLC at the time I stated they were a 501c.  I can’t what possible purpose it would serve to lie about the tax status of TPM.  It wasn’t even a major part of what we were talking about.  We were talking about the individual mandate, an issue that’s fairly agnostic to TPM’s tax status.

Oh I admit I was wrong on TPM.  But I’m willing to admit it, and you still have not admitted that Wyden Bennett didn’t have an individual mandate, even those the CBO clearly stated it was a tax.
But anytime you don’t think I’m being factual, feel free to challenge me on it.  I’m not above being challenged, I’m not above being wrong, and I’m also not above admitting I’m wrong. 

However I’m very much alone in that last part.

Which is OK.

says the man who made us practically beg to prove his statement..

I don't believe any one here, other than you, has a problem saying "Oops".. hell, you continue to throw my scating attack of Obama at me like I'm afraid of being wrong or something.. I'm not, I was wrong, I've said it for 2 years now but you keep bringing it up.. no one here is going to nag you for years on end when you make a mistake. You're not God, you're human,  you err. So instead of playing bullshit games..

Really?  How are they organized then?

Yes but aren't you the one thinking it's a lie?

Until you prove it's a 501c it's just another lie...pretty much par for the course, though. 

I was going to let this simmer for a while.

Another three days...still waiting!

Nope!

I was waiting for you to proffer a wager of some sort.

just admit it..it really makes life so much easier.. and the one admitting the mistake a whole lot more credible..

and btw..14 days total it took you to finally admit it,14 days of asking...I bring it up only to ask you to please.. PLEASE don't sit there and pretend.."But anytime you don’t think I’m being factual, feel free to challenge me on it.  I’m not above being challenged, I’m not above being wrong, and I’m also not above admitting I’m wrong. "

because that's just been proven wrong..so when you say that and then say "However I’m very much alone in that last part. Which is OK."

you are not only misspeaking and being very insulting to the ones who  did nothing wrong,only asked you to prove your own statement, but you're also be total dick who can't handle it when he makes a mistake.. which again is completely counter to the 'I'm cool with being wrong' position you're trying to eek out for yourself.. that little quip you ended with, doesn't give off 'cool' it gives off 'bitter'..