Piers Morgan V Alex Jones..

[reverend_darth]

...make 40 bucks a pop from the sick fuck who digs having a 10 year old put his dick in their mouth.

Ya know, I don't call you fuckin names.

[uselesslegs]

Ya know, I don't call you fuckin names.

Badda Bing!

[ekg]

If it's an act...it's kinda fucked up and sick.

It's one thing if you're a wrestling manager or wrestler, trying to sell the good or bad vibes, in an extreme display of over the top theatrics (ultra paranoia, ultra patriotism, talking to a tennis racket, or a sock puppet), to the fans that think that shit is real.  They boo and hiss and grandma yells crazy crap at the TV and you stand in the background laughing your ass off that she's bought the scene as plausible, real.  And the wrestlers pay the price sometimes for that devotion of the fans to the fake reality.  Fans send them hate mail, spit on them, throw chairs at them, take swings, try to jump them outside of the venues, at the bars, hell...even in the grocery store. Real bodily harm. It comes with the territory and wrestlers know it, accept it.

until you said this... I never realized that the GOP base, the most extreme.... are the same people who believe wrasslin is real.

it makes sense tho... their over the top actions and words..  they see MachoMan do it. (or did before he died) and that's what they expect from the leaders and media..

I'd never stifle his speech.  I'd never insist his speech be curbed.  But I can damn sure call out the match striker and his irresponsible use of such.  And if one of his fans acts as a result of his absurdity...I really hope no one tries to sell it down the river that Mr. Jones had nothing to do with the crazy persons actions.  If you facilitate the fear.  If you facilitate the paranoia. If you tell those who buy your shit that you speak the unmitigated gospel truth...you're culpable.

bingo!

if you put a bullseye on a state.. then tell your fan base they can always use their '2nd amendment remedies'.. and to not 'retreat,but reload' instead.. all this AFTER saying how evil a person or party is, how they are killing babies and ruining this country, trying to end it and then begging for someone,anyone to stop it from happening... then yea, you're responsible..

but it shows the brilliance of the GOP that they can incite anything and everything and still say "I didn't do that, you did" and actually get away with it because the left doesn't want to look insensitive..the left doesn't realize that the good guy in wrasslin, still uses a fucking chair to the head to win..


look at Al Gore, he's been reduced to being a lunatic by the Right for his 'inconvenient truth' movie..he wasn't passionate,he wasn't emotional..oh-no, he was a tree-hugging,crazy liberal..hell-bent on taking your cars,your ac, your hair spray..

but Alex Jones loses his mind  on the gun issue,demanding revolution and spews about being followed by the liberal secret police.. and well,he was just acting..

*rollseyes*

This is why I miss Anthony Wiener.. he was our version of a chair to head..

[betteroffhere]

Yikes...

Uselesslegs
"...And if one of his fans acts as a result of his absurdity..."

Uselesslegs would consider and tell Alex "...you're culpable."


Oh what a slippery slope...that I strongly disagree with...


EKG
"...then tell your fan base they can always use their '2nd amendment remedies'.. and to not 'retreat,but reload' instead.. all this AFTER saying how evil a person or party is, how they are killing babies and ruining this country, trying to end it and then begging for someone,anyone to stop it from happening... then yea, you're responsible.."


This is not the bunny slopes...Experts only


You both are within your rights to feel as you do...however, neither of you are attorneys or a judge...and that is where shit counts

and in court...it is about what was said...not what was implied or meant...


Providing Alex has not directly instructed a person/group to carry out a specific task that is unlawful...

Then...just like the lyrics from rock and roll songs...or activities related to playing video games...

Alex can not be held culpable/responsible for an individuals independant actions...


If Alex is making all those outlandish claims...without supporting evidence...to back up his assertions...

Then he is skating on thin ice...and will probably fuck up...in due time

If on the other hand...Alex has the supporting evidence to back up his assertions...

Would he be wrong for screaming the truth to the mountain tops ?

Would you want to know some of the truths ?

What would this world be like today had jesus just said fuck it...and not drawn any attention to himself ?


Sometimes you guy and gals scare me....

[uselesslegs]

Truth...to who?  That most of the logistics, items and prep needed for 9/11 to be an inside job to make the Twin Towers collapse, scrub out after multiple multiple methodological scientific testing?  

That we can't have a conversation, involving the item at the center of firearm discussions, namely...firearms?  It's like having a conversation about vehicle safety and potential regulations...but you can't use the vehicle or it's history for your parameters. You can talk about everything else..but not the car and how it figures into the equation...?  It's illogical.

The truth doesn't have to be caustic nor a sledgehammer of doom...it's more often than not quite brutal and unforgiving all own it's own, without the need for apocalyptic sprinkles to grab ones attention.  Mr. Jones all but said, "That war we knew was coming? It's here!"  As his evidence he's got secret liberal police who are probably going to kill him and make it look like a crack overdose.  He's a marked man and you need to watch his back and if you know the truth, the real truth, like he does...you need to watch your back too. If that crazy fucker off's himself next week by any number of methods, he can add his own death to his list of conspiracies. Because there will be another half whacked carnival barker ready to pick up the mantle and use him as an example. Do I think that will happen?  Nope.  But as long as we're dealing in what if's and semantics...what the hell.

If it's a bit, to bad his more enthusiastic fans who pray for his safety and become extremely agitated at his dilemma don't know that. It's all over the web and they're scared shitless.  If I can sit across the bar from someone and through the use of simple hand and facial gestures/innuendo not only let them know I think they're gay, but would they like to suck my cock...ya know, because they're gay...and their homophobic self launches across the bar to trash me...how is Mr. Jones' much more anxiety riddled doom speak less of a motivator to the few among his fans, who are now convinced he's a fuck'in dead man walking, so their out buying an extra 2k rounds of ammo and a few more guns, because they're not going down without a fight...?

It's all hype, I get it...I really do...but someone needs to let the die hards know, because they don't understand hype sells.

Earlier the Monsters were mentioned.  The kings of local bits (or use to be).  Remember the gawd awful bit where Bubba got ass raped to promote their Brevard County Wrestling gig (stupid, but funny bit)...not only did Bubba get a shit ton of flowers and cards with well wishes from sympathetic, completely snowed fans...but as I recall...the wrestlers barely averted getting jumped and shit kicked by the same sympathetic fans.  So yes...people believe dat shit.

[betteroffhere]

ok...easy there on the nine eleven shit from alex...i have not made mention of that issue...nor do i wish too

With that being said...i make no claim that alex is right on any information he professes to have and or broadcast...

This above disclaimer was brought to by...Reasonable Intelligence through Perfection


The sheep need tending...the cows need herding...Alex is just a farmer

The only difference between Alex and the mainstream media...is how the cow is being served...



And what exactly is there to discuss concerning firearms ?

It is constitutionally protected...so far...Americans have the right to protect and defend themselves and their property...


semantics...er...I mean semi automatics...

does anyone have a copy of what is defined as semi automatic...

because the way i understand it...if you do not have to manually load the chamber each time to fire a round...

then it meets the classification of being a semi automatic firearm...so

banning semi automatic firearms would encompass the majority of manufactured firearms...and will not happen...

because it would violate the rights given to all the citizens...

and you're intent on violating their rights....then it is likely yours will be next

[ekg]

ok...easy there on the nine eleven shit from alex...i have not made mention of that issue...nor do i wish too

With that being said...i make no claim that alex is right on any information he professes to have and or broadcast...

This above disclaimer was brought to by...Reasonable Intelligence through Perfection

no.. you don't get to do that. We're talking about his words and their affect on people.. you can't just argue he can't be held culpable if his words incite violence and then say "whoa there Hoss, I make no claim to whether he tells the truth or not"..  of course it's not the truth and that's the point we're making..it's paranoid delusions.. which iirc you've already tried to attack and belittle me for calling it that..and now you give a disclaimer that you're just not going to address one of the reasons I said it in the 1st place?

weak..

very weak..


and you can hold people responsible for their words... just like you can't lie and scream "fire" in a crowded room  and claim "1st amendment,1st amendment"..

the point is he'll selling bullshit,lies,fear and death.. and then asking for someone to protect him, to protect the country, to use their 2nd amendment rights (ok to be fair, that was sharon angle).. and if someone, some crazed fan listens to him and answers his pleas.. then yes, he is culpable.. in court and out. You may have the freedom of speech but you don't have the freedom to be in a room full of hitmen and say "hmmm, ya know.. I think I would give $20,000 to the 1st person who brought me Joe's head".. and when busted on an FBI wired tap say "Hey,  I didn't mean it.. 1st amendment! 1st amendment!"

this is what people like Jones and Beck and Rush are doing... we have always adhered to the principles that there simple are limits to freedom of speech..  you can't just call in a bomb threat to your local Publix when you're angry that Red Bull isn't on sale..there is a threshold b/w speech and creating danger

and they are cracking that threshold every day..

The sheep need tending...the cows need herding...Alex is just a farmer

honestly, you're right there next to him for advocating this kind of bullshit..

I don't think anyone is saying there isn't a time and place for irrationality.. but irrationality has gone mainstream and the people in this country can't handle this type of irrationality.. just look at the Branch Davidians, the hale-bop comet "Heaven's Gate', suicides.. these fools were lead by their local "alex jones" or "glenn beck".. and the only difference between Koresh, J-Jones or Applewhite and Beck/Jones et al.. is that Beck/Jones are on the radio and have a bigger audience..The message is the same tho "they're coming to get you".. "Prepare for war".. "stock-pile guns and food".. "Be ready to kill to save me and yourself".. the only thing missing is the call to "chhhhaaarrge!"

and when that line is crossed..  you're damn right I will blame them.. the same way I blame Koresh and Applewhite..

slippery slope? Nope. just assigning responsibility to the responsible party...  what you advocate is the 'slippery slope'.. assigning zero-responsibility for ones actions is much more detrimental to a society..

[Howey]

Strange...

I have yet seen a reasonable, coherent, person representing the right on this issue. They're all, from the NRA, Jones, to Ted Nugent, to Rush to Beck...screaming at the top of their voices indecipherable hate.

Isn't there just one person who can without sounding batshit crazy?

[uselesslegs]

Sooooooooo, yea.

http://www.naturalnews.com/038616_John_Noveske_mysterious_death_car_crash.html

On this site, you can see the Conspiracy, IN FULL BLOOM. It's alllllllll coming together. Prominent gun manufacture dies *mysteriously* in a car wreck, after being ejected. Another one is capped in the head, no suspect yet.  Instance after instance of dubious, curious and suspect behavior.  Link to Alex Jones site, with liberal's mocking Jones in interviews, veiled threats.  The "Red List", a hit list straight from the Oval Office.

Soooooooo, I'm looking some of these claims up...and 10 seconds worth of effort and yea, they're not panning out so well.  Senator Feinstein had her Assault Weapons bill ready to go just a *little* to fast.  It goes on and on and on.  With much comparison of Hitler, doing the same procedures before going batshit crazy. Gun registration, then confiscation...then world dominance!  Lanza left his Bush Master in the car! He was just using a shitload of semi-handguns!  That's not mentioned by the liberal press as it talks about this! Ummmm, yes it was...you show the clip directly from MSNBC where they say that, quite plainly. But hey, let's not get anywhere near the overarching issue because of that...shall we?

Now, I will give a thumbs up to the break down of shooters over the years and their relation to taking (or being on at the time) depression/anti-anxiety drugs.  That'll take me a shit ton longer to look up...but I don't doubt it.

But yea...the under current is a dark, terrorizing dystopian future very, very close to happening now. This should be...interesting.

[betteroffhere]

no.. you don't get to do that. We're talking about his words and their affect on people.. you can't just argue he can't be held culpable if his words incite violence and then say "whoa there Hoss, I make no claim to whether he tells the truth or not"..  of course it's not the truth and that's the point we're making..it's paranoid delusions.. which iirc you've already tried to attack and belittle me for calling it that..and now you give a disclaimer that you're just not going to address one of the reasons I said it in the 1st place?

weak..

very weak..


and you can hold people responsible for their words... just like you can't lie and scream "fire" in a crowded room  and claim "1st amendment,1st amendment"..

the point is he'll selling bullshit,lies,fear and death.. and then asking for someone to protect him, to protect the country, to use their 2nd amendment rights (ok to be fair, that was sharon angle).. and if someone, some crazed fan listens to him and answers his pleas.. then yes, he is culpable.. in court and out. You may have the freedom of speech but you don't have the freedom to be in a room full of hitmen and say "hmmm, ya know.. I think I would give $20,000 to the 1st person who brought me Joe's head".. and when busted on an FBI wired tap say "Hey,  I didn't mean it.. 1st amendment! 1st amendment!"

this is what people like Jones and Beck and Rush are doing... we have always adhered to the principles that there simple are limits to freedom of speech..  you can't just call in a bomb threat to your local Publix when you're angry that Red Bull isn't on sale..there is a threshold b/w speech and creating danger

and they are cracking that threshold every day..



honestly, you're right there next to him for advocating this kind of bullshit..

I don't think anyone is saying there isn't a time and place for irrationality.. but irrationality has gone mainstream and the people in this country can't handle this type of irrationality.. just look at the Branch Davidians, the hale-bop comet "Heaven's Gate', suicides.. these fools were lead by their local "alex jones" or "glenn beck".. and the only difference between Koresh, J-Jones or Applewhite and Beck/Jones et al.. is that Beck/Jones are on the radio and have a bigger audience..The message is the same tho "they're coming to get you".. "Prepare for war".. "stock-pile guns and food".. "Be ready to kill to save me and yourself".. the only thing missing is the call to "chhhhaaarrge!"

and when that line is crossed..  you're damn right I will blame them.. the same way I blame Koresh and Applewhite..

slippery slope? Nope. just assigning responsibility to the responsible party...  what you advocate is the 'slippery slope'.. assigning zero-responsibility for ones actions is much more detrimental to a society..

Blink...Blink....

I don't know where to start...at the begining i guess.


Ok.....Ok.... So,


After seeing video of alex jones you posted here...knowing nothing about alex jones...and said/typed

Your feelings about him based on those clips...using strong words...for example


1st post

douche...cunt

2nd post

insane twice

"wow.. I don't think I've even seen a display of delusional paranoid schizophrenia this pathological before."

3rd post

violent...delusional

4th post

unstable

5th

paronoid delusions
violence...instability



No where did I see alex being violent...but you kept using the word

You made many diagnoses and or accusations toward someone you only seen in video...

And stood firm with those opinions...

SCARY...


I made comments based soley on the content of the video with morgan...that is why the disclaimer...

so yes...I chose to play that card in this thread...based on how you've decided to process the information...




Please show me where you think I " tried to attack and belittle me (you) for calling it that (delusional) "

so I can avoid doing that in the future if possible...thnks

[Howey]

Gawd....it's like Chuck mind-melded FaFa...

[ekg]

Blink...Blink....

I don't know where to start...at the begining i guess.


Ok.....Ok.... So,


After seeing video of alex jones you posted here...knowing nothing about alex jones...and said/typed

Your feelings about him based on those clips...using strong words...for example


1st post

douche...cunt

2nd post

insane twice

"wow.. I don't think I've even seen a display of delusional paranoid schizophrenia this pathological before."

3rd post

violent...delusional

4th post

unstable

5th

paronoid delusions
violence...instability

yep..

pretty much sums it up my initial reaction to seeing him for the 1st time.

now, knowing the man.. as you seem to.. you don't think he's anything of the sort of what my reactions to him were... since this seems to be his normal 'speed' for you... but from someone who has just this 1st sight of him, he's a fucking lunatic..raving about gov't planned 9/11..threats of 1776/revolution coming again and liberal-secret police wanting to kill him..

you call it 'theatrics'.. I call it delusional and reason to cull him from the 'responsible gun-owner' gene pool..

you may feel someone who has theses types of paranoia as being 'safe' with weapons.. but I, who am all for guns btw, do not..

No where did I see alex being violent...but you kept using the word

I've already pointed out the section of the video that made me label him in such a way..

but once again, you know his antics and enjoy them, to you it's just normal, every day "alex".. to me, having never seen or heard of him, it's a violent, unstable reaction to ... well, to nothing.. he just went totally ape-shit.

You made many diagnoses and or accusations toward someone you only seen in video...

yep.. and oddly, you've even agreed that this is the reaction he wants...

"I think alex comes off a bit nutty...but you have to have something that sets one a part from the herd...in order to build a following"

so why you have a problem with me giving voice to it is a little weird..

.
I made comments based soley on the content of the video with morgan...that is why the disclaimer...

so yes...I chose to play that card in this thread...based on how you've decided to process the information...

he mentions the 9/11 in the video with morgan..



then he goes on in the 3rd video I posted to claim he's being stalked, in order to kill him, by Bloomberg's secret police.. which he makes claim of "if you don't believe me, you're not on planet earth" or something similar..

once again, this will be the 2nd time I've had to explain it... these are the reason I labeled him 'paranoid' and 'delusional'..

but you've decided you're not even going to address 1/2 of those reasons, nor even watch the other video at all.. and instead, mock anyone who comments on his 'theatrics' as you call it..

so let's sum this up..

I watch 3 videos and voice my reaction

you don't watch all or the entirety of  them.. but still ask why I feel the way I do.. still don't watch the video when given to you again (which a time-stamp for your convenience)..mock my reaction to videos you haven't seen..question how people could think someone would be responsible for their words and if they incite violence..claim to have no knowledge of  or response to those comments anyway...

what exactly are you doing in this thread any way?

Please show me where you think I " tried to attack and belittle me (you) for calling it that (delusional) "

I think calling me delusional counts as belittling and attacking..

who here is delusional ? if there was no violence that you attribute to alex...hmm

almost every reply you've made in this thread has been condescending and belittling..

Who is alex jones you ask...

and though you suggest you know nothing about him other than his interview with morgan...

yes, I suggest it.. why so dickhead about it?

you accept what you see on the tele as real don't you...

perhaps that is why you were a monsters fan back in the day...

you buy into the drama and hype...congrats

there is plenty more coming on the tele that will keep your attention in the future..

condescending,belittling.. douchy..

so I can avoid doing that in the future if possible...thnks

hTh

[ekg]

Alex Jones On HuffPost Live: 'YOU'RE IN DANGER! YOU'RE IN DANGER!' (VIDEO)

After quoting liberally (and loudly) from the famed "mad as hell" speech from "Network," Jones began going on a wide-ranging monologue that encompassed everything from drone wars and curtailments on privacy to more boutique topics.

"Learn about the New World Order!" he said at one point. "Learn about eugenics and the cancer viruses and the vaccines! Learn about the GMO's designed to sterilize you!"

He then held up a book called "Ecoscience," and took his shouting to a new level. A rough transcript follows:

    "THEY'VE GOT POISON IN THE WATER! POISON IN THE WATER! THIS IS A NORMAL RESPONSE TO THIS! THIS IS HOW THEY SHOULD HAVE RESPONDED TO HITLER! YOU'RE IN DANGER! YOU'RE IN DANGER! YOU'RE IN DANGER, EVERYBODY WATCHING! THEY CONTROL BOTH PARTIES! YOU'RE IN DANGER! WAKE UP! GET OUT OF YOUR TRANCE! THEY SHOULD HAVE RESISTED HITLER LIKE THIS!"

video


Like i said, fucking lunatic..

[uselesslegs]

I suspect (my opinion mind you) that Mr. Jones would be the same regardless of the time line of American History he was born into.  There isn't a decade or century that this country has been free of some kind of turmoil or issues of the day.  He's a sensationalist, whose chosen method of communication use to be wild speculative intrigue, it's possible implications and anxiety riddled concerns based on those conspiracies.  It has since morphed into unadulterated fear and paranoia that, depending on who's drinking the most kool-aid, has a higher than average chance of getting someone (or several) hurt...or worse.

Now I'm not sure if he always bought what he was selling or if at some point he just decided to say fuck it and jump in with both feet...but either way...he's all in now.  We're either seeing someone who's decide to up the ante and commit like a muther fucker, who knows their full of shit and always have been...or someone who turned off the control valve on their terror awhile ago...and we're just now seeing it's full results.

[betteroffhere]

i just visited alex jones wiki page...


and was shocked by this :

"In 1999, he tied with Shannon Burke for that year's "Best Austin Talk Radio Host" poll as voted by The Austin Chronicle readers"

Two disturbed peas in a pod...


Alex has been in the radio game since 96...bout the same time as the monsters...and is a shit ton richer...


So far
Alex hasn't crossed any criminal lines he's been caught for...so...I hope the lid hasn't come off yet...


go alex go...tell them how you are tired and not going to take it anymore. And tell them what will happen if they try...

so that the world will know they had been warned !...cause that is what honest and fair people do...