The Debt Crisis aka Here We Go Again!

[Howey]

After almost destroying the country last year with prodding from the Tea Party idiots, Boehner wants to try again.

Senate Republicans quickly united behind House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) on Tuesday after he telegraphed his intention to use the debt limit as leverage to avoid a scheduled tax increase. Democrats balked at his demand that raising the debt ceiling — which is set to max out this December — be paired dollar-for-dollar with spending “cuts and reforms.” The widening rift foreshadows another self-inflicted battle, the likes of which nearly collapsed the U.S. economy last fall.

“A request of the President to ask us to raise the debt ceiling ought to generate a significant response to deal with the problem of deficit and debt,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) told a handful of reporters Tuesday afternoon in the Capitol.

In a Tuesday speech, Boehner said, “I will again insist on my simple principle of cuts and reforms greater than the debt limit increase” — something his conference did last summer. Further hinting at chaos, he scoffed at the idea of raising taxes, even as Democrats insist they won’t agree to another major debt-reduction deal that excludes new revenues.

So, what's next? Another round of face-to-face talks between the President and Congressional leaders leading to...what? The Republicans have already refused to abide by the sequester of last year so why should the Democrats (and the President) let them do it again?

I believe, and I've said it before, there is a concrete reason this is happening; as noted by Sen. Barbara Boxer:

SEN. BOXER: I think that's a great idea and the president put forward a grand plan that would reduce the deficit, get us on a path to a balanced budget, save social security and medicare, make the investments we need and ask the wealthiest 1% who earn over $1 million to pay their fair share. And the republicans took a walk. The situation is this -- we have -- but most people don't know this but under the arcane rules of the Senate, budgets are not laws. They're just guidelines. The budget control act is actually a law, for two years. And we set budget caps for ten years. So my opinion is let's stop quibbling over process, let's get the job done. And, Chuck, to get back to your first point who's to blame, I want to just cite history. The one party that balanced the budget in the last 40 years are the Democrats in the congress and president Clinton and we did it and nobody else has done it. And, you know, it's interesting that they're setting up a big fight, McConnell and Boehner, making it a crisis when it isn't a crisis and demanding more cuts when they didn't live up to the cuts they agreed to. Because they want to create a crisis so maybe say, oh, my goodness, maybe if we change everything, things will be better. Maybe we need a different president.

TODD: They're doing this to try to help Mitt Romney?

SEN. BOXER: I think they're doing it to hurt the Democrats, to say that the Democrats are in control of the Senate and we're not doing the right thing when the facts show otherwise. and, you know, again i am so happy to say that finally, you know, the press always says everyone -- finally you have two scholars stepping out on everyone and saying that it's the republicans. their desire to see the president lose meant we had to suffer a downgrade of our bonds. they're willing to take another downgrade. Well, I'm not willing to do that. We should stop it now. I'm the head of a conference on a highway bill. it's 3d million jobs. I'm hopeful they'll let us get that done. if they don't, everyone is going to see it.

She, and I, are absolutely right.

[ekg]

when asked the other day what Bohner was going to exchange for the defense spending.. since he can't keep his word, nor can his party, he said he would exchange the defense cuts for cuts in food stamps, children's health, and meals on wheels..

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/05/10/spending-deal-unravels-as-house-democrats-republicans-collide-over-defense-cuts.html

what a swell guy..


there is something wrong with that party...

not only are the liars (or welchers even), but to cover their lie and not cut a penny of bloat...they really will take food out of a poor elderly person's mouth...and  will the elderly still vote GOP, you fuckling betcha! can't vote for niggrah..

[uselesslegs]

It's the ultra Libertarian cream dream FINALLY coming true.  People who have difficulty providing for themselves, or can't at all, should receive nothing...absolutely nothing in the way of provisions or care from the state or Federal government...if it must come in the form of taxes collected to do such.  Let charity, though wholly inadequate (and well meaning) be the sole source for such.  Society shouldn't be forced to participate in the well being of it's citizenry.  That should always be optional, where Freedom is concerned.

I've talked to Libertarians (of the non uber variety) and even they think the Ultra camp is bat shit crazy.  Sure, you'll get to keep some extra greenbacks, but the price is too heavy, too steep, not only from a humanitarian stand point, but from the stabilization stand point of society itself.

 

[ekg]

Charity... sure..

(from last night)

Tonig

ht on AC360: Drew Griffin speaks with Disabled Veterans National Foundation charity board member
AC360's Drew Griffin has been investigating a national charity that collected $56 million for disabled veterans. Those donations were intended for service members and their families, but IRS documents show that very little of the money has been directly given to those the organization promised to help.


Instead, the Disabled Veterans National Foundation has spent tens of millions on marketing services. CNN spoke to the head of a local veteran aid group that received candy, small bottles of hand sanitizer and other unnecessary items - but no funds. Another small organization was sent hundreds of chefs coats and aprons, along with a needlepoint design pillowcase and cans of acrylic paint.

CNN has tried for more than a year to speak with the president of DVNF, Precilla Landry Wilkewitz, to find out what happened to the money they raised. Griffin went to her home but she declined an interview.
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/16/tonight-on-ac360-drew-griffin-tracks-down-veteran-charity-board-member/?hpt=ac_mid

and because they are a 501c, they can funnel that $56million of public money, to a private corp to help with marketing.. that $56million bought them a mailing list..

yeah.. a mailing list..and it's all legal.

I heard today from the president of NOW (our section).. that the new conservative push is to privatize the library system.. they've just banned a book here in the Melbourne location, a woman I work for is bringing a lawsuit with the ACLU against the library for censorship.. but the library board may have done it all intentionally because they want to hurt the system to the point where Rick Scott will allow them to be privatized..

I don't know wtf is going on in this country..but for the 1st time in my voting life, I'm advocating Christmas treeing a ballot all D..these people are fucked up insane over a black president and they will kill every piece of the country to make sure it never, ever happens again..

[Gamewell45]

The problem with most Republicans/conservatives is that there is no room for compromise; there is no middle ground; its their way or no way and America cannot function under those mindsets.  This is why people such as Rep. John boehner/ Sen McConnell have to go in addition to the tea party mindsets currently running amok in political circles.

[ekg]

The problem with most Republicans/conservatives is that there is no room for compromise; there is no middle ground; its their way or no way and America cannot function under those mindsets.  This is why people such as Rep. John boehner/ Sen McConnell have to go in addition to the tea party mindsets currently running amok in political circles.

heh... I guess you met this guy huh

“I have a mindset that says bipartisanship ought to consist of Democrats coming to the Republican point of view,” Mourdock said on Fox, according to Politico. “You know, I’ve said many times through this campaign that one of the things I hope to do is to help build a conservative majority in the United States Senate and continue to help the House build a Republican majority and have a Republican White House and then bipartisanship becomes having Democrats come our way. So that’s what we’re working towards and I think in the days ahead, Mr. Lugar will join our effort.”

he's the nimrod who just beat Dick Luger because ya know, Luger was to RINO..

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/mourdock-bipartisanship-ought-to-consist-of-dems-coming

I only hope Independents  and Liberals are paying attention.. if they're not, we're going to be in for one hell of a ride..

and welcome to the board

[Gamewell45]

heh... I guess you met this guy huh

he's the nimrod who just beat Dick Luger because ya know, Luger was to RINO..

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/mourdock-bipartisanship-ought-to-consist-of-dems-coming

I only hope Independents  and Liberals are paying attention.. if they're not, we're going to be in for one hell of a ride..

and welcome to the board

Never met the guys, but would be cool to see what they are like in person.  I suspect they are both moral blanks.

[ekg]

Never met the guys, but would be cool to see what they are like in person.  I suspect they are both moral blanks.

and yet, I guarantee his 'piety' knows no bounds... and to him, we're the heathens for wanting to ensure the poor in the country eat.

I think that's what chaps my ass the most. The idea that liberal policy is Godless and progressives themselves are evil spawn of Satan.. for no other reason than we don't want to see a class of people beneath us on the economic scale, suffer needlessly. I've never seen such hatred anywhere as I saw on PF. I don't want to talk negative about the place.. but those people have to be caricatures.. they can't really be the way they present themselves..They must be, ya know, playing a role.

then again,maybe that was what really started the falling out with Mike... I always figured he was playing a role, the way Colbert does.. when in reality, he really believed the bullshit he was spewing.. he really believed Sarah Palin would have made a great President if she had a month or two as VP 1st.. and I never accepted that was his real feelings, I always figured it was the "party-line".. like when he said he voted for Rick Scott,  mr. Law and Order votes for a criminal who bilked the Gov't out of so much money, his fines added up to over a Billion dollars!

I never believed, until it was too late, that those were real feelings and statements.. I couldn't believe anyone could be that... fucked up?

It would have saved soooo much pain, time and effort if I had accepted it as real tho... LOL  and PF is roving lunatic asylum full of what i don't believe exists out in the real world, in the mass that it exists there.. But I better accept it, because that shit will lose elections if i don't..

grrrrr....

[uselesslegs]

What I find most humorous is this "pioneer" spirit that keeps being integrated into the core of the messaging. "I made my own way. I NEVER took a hand out. Poverty and going hungry are good motivators, blah, blah, blah." They're such extremist views that not only ignore modern society...but if they got their way, most of the them touting this crap, would fold into a fetal position wondering what the F happened.

You know who made their own way? The actual pioneers.  They did so out of absolute necessity because that's the life they chose. But guess what? Unless they forged their own steel for tools, made their own covered wagons, weaved every thread for the clothes they wore before they left, grew all their own veggies and raised all their own cows for meat for food stored for the trip, engineered their own guns, wrote their own bible and other literature with paper and ink they made themselves, searched through the woods to find the roots and herbs for their medications and ointments...my god...this list could go on forever. 

Oh, but I forgot something very important.  Unless you just appeared out of no where as a newly born baby and somehow, someway had this incredible ability to self sustain without food or water or medical care, and once of an age where you could use tools you just magically possessed the knowledge to cut, forge, make all of the implements for a home, clothes and thousands of other things.......you didn't make it on your own!  My good God!  These people must live in the most fantastical, perpetual dream land!